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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 9:07 am
-If the Clippers can move Gallinari they will have even more cap room than the Knicks.
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RE: Klay  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14288820 TyreeHelmet said:
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I cannot see him leaving. Unless the Warriors really botch it, he's staying. Pay him the max and forget about it. The guy has more than earned it for them.

-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?

I don't think that's true. IIRC reports out of Phoenix have been that the Knicks wanted Booker and the #4 pick (to draft Josh Jackson) and the Suns were offering #4, a future first they had from another team (can't remember the details) and some combination but not all of Bender, Chriss, Warren. Talks broke down because Phoenix refused to include Booker
RE: Klay  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14288820 TyreeHelmet said:
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I cannot see him leaving. Unless the Warriors really botch it, he's staying. Pay him the max and forget about it. The guy has more than earned it for them.

-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?


Gambadoro has maintained the Knicks WANTED Booker but the Suns refused and their final offer was #4, 2 picks from Miami and "a young player" (not Booker however).
RE: Has anyone watched much of the Clippers this year?  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14288796 Strahan91 said:
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If so, how does SGA look? I was impressed by him in summer league and he's being touted as a possible centerpiece in an AD deal by Zach Lowe and others. His numbers are decent for a rookie but it doesn't look like he's lighting the world on fire.

Zach Lowe in a column today mentioned they could put a package together centered around SGA and he Heat's pick but he, Woj and others have said the Knicks don't have what it takes to do a deal now. Is that really better than a deal centered around Knox + the Knicks unprotected 1 this year? Even still if you throw in Dallas unprotected 2021 pick and/or Robinson? Am I missing something or is it just anti-Knick media bias?


Good looking young player that shows alot of promise. I cannot imagine him being the centerpiece to getting Anthony Davis. The Lakers package is better.

The Lakers are being penalized because the Pelicans and other teams don't want to grant these players their wish. Along with getting taxed because they have Lebron and the Lakers lore...

What happens if the Lakers miss out on AD and strike out this summer? Then what?
Go to the Clips & play  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2019 10:47 am : link
second fiddle to LBJ & Lakers.

Or come to NYC & be king.

KD. Come on.
RE: Go to the Clips & play  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14288844 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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second fiddle to LBJ & Lakers.

Or come to NYC & be king.

KD. Come on.

I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers.
Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )
Kyrie and Kawhi  
GMEN46 : 2/6/2019 10:55 am : link
Might better because it saves $5-6 mil in cap space vs Durant. He is also younger than Durant. I did post on this site last year that a well known sports doctor told my friend that it’s known that Kyrie and Kawhi will sign with the Knicks in 2019. I did put a huge for what it’s worth in front of that.
As  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 10:57 am : link
much as Durant gets knocked for his sensitivity he does have a personality and I think he'd be fine in NYC. Kawhi doesn't seem like an NYC guy but who knows?
RE: RE: Go to the Clips & play  
moze1021 : 2/6/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14288848 Strahan91 said:
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second fiddle to LBJ & Lakers.

Or come to NYC & be king.

KD. Come on.


I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers. Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )


Someday some superstar is going to understand that bringing an NBA title to the Knicks will dwarf the accomplishment in any other city. The player will be a legend in the truest sense of the word.

Hoping Durant is that guy.
RE: Kyrie and Kawhi  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14288857 GMEN46 said:
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Might better because it saves $5-6 mil in cap space vs Durant. He is also younger than Durant. I did post on this site last year that a well known sports doctor told my friend that it’s known that Kyrie and Kawhi will sign with the Knicks in 2019. I did put a huge for what it’s worth in front of that.

I remember you saying that and thinking it was the craziest thing I'd ever heard. Regardless of how things shake out, it's a far more realistic possibility than I'd ever have imagined.
I think KD &  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2019 11:03 am : link
Kyrie are a package deal.
Strauss  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2019 11:11 am : link
That article brings up a great point. There’s nothing left to prove for Durant in GSW. He’s always be 2nd to Curry and his time there hasn’t really bumped him up in the hierachry of the NBA. Not saying this is fair but perception is reality.

I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.

This offseason is going to be nuts.
I already took July 1st, a Monday, off.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2019 11:12 am : link
I'm going to be completely useless that day @ work.
RE: Strauss  
moze1021 : 2/6/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14288881 TyreeHelmet said:
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That article brings up a great point. There’s nothing left to prove for Durant in GSW. He’s always be 2nd to Curry and his time there hasn’t really bumped him up in the hierachry of the NBA. Not saying this is fair but perception is reality.

I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.

This offseason is going to be nuts.


Honestly this is the most exciting time to be a Knicks fan since June/July 2010...
Durant has alluded to wanting the ball in his hands more.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2019 11:23 am : link
It's an opportunity he's never had, and was a source of friction between him and Westbrook. I think he views it as the final step in his growth as a player. Kyrie is a ball dominant player too, so I'm not sure how that would shake out, but that's a "first world" NBA problem I'd be willing to tackle as a Knicks fan.
Im dreaming of KD and AD  
Chris684 : 2/6/2019 11:31 am : link
I’d give up the 2019 pick and either stick with DSJ or a lesser PG signing than Kyrie to make it work.
RE: I already took July 1st, a Monday, off.  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14288884 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm going to be completely useless that day @ work.


i dont think we will have to wait long i think most of these guys kbow what their doing..

Kd has already said there will be no pitches
RE: RE: I already took July 1st, a Monday, off.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/6/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14288919 nygiants16 said:
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Kd has already said there will be no pitches


I didn't see that. I know he said he's all about the money I believe.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:33 am : link
a Knicks fan so I can't get too excited but I think Durant has a real shot. I do question Kyrie wanting to play with KD and vice versa. So much of Kyrie's game is having the ball in his hands and he's been so vocal about wanting to be "the man". He would not be "the man" with KD here. Same problem he felt with Lebron. Who knows? Maybe he gives up on that being essential?
Maker  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:37 am : link
to the Pistons for the Stanimal. Love this move for the Pistons.
RE: RE: RE: I already took July 1st, a Monday, off.  
nygiants16 : 2/6/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14288920 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Kd has already said there will be no pitches



I didn't see that. I know he said he's all about the money I believe.


he said it in the podcast with chris haynes, who i have to say may be the best behind woj
Jazz  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:55 am : link
have offered their first and Rubio for Conley
Memphis  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:57 am : link
could do a lot worse than spinning Conley/Gasol for 2 1sts and Monk given they are blowing it up.
RE: Memphis  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14288950 DanMetroMan said:
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could do a lot worse than spinning Conley/Gasol for 2 1sts and Monk given they are blowing it up.


If they spin that.... they are gonna do some good things. Rubio has 1 year left..... he sucks... but

Monk
Jackson
3 first round picks?

Thats a start.
for years, NYK, Sacto and Phoenix  
Pep22 : 2/6/2019 12:05 pm : link
had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.

Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
RE: for years, NYK, Sacto and Phoenix  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14288957 Pep22 said:
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had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.

Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player


Until Zion joins the Cavs.
RE: for years, NYK, Sacto and Phoenix  
TyreeHelmet : 2/6/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14288957 Pep22 said:
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had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.

Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player


I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!
RE: RE: for years, NYK, Sacto and Phoenix  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14288965 TyreeHelmet said:
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had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.

Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player



I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!

I think they'll move Beal this summer personally. Could be a Laker fallback if AD goes elsewhere. The cupboard is bare and with Wall looking to quite possibly never return to form and his contract, what's the point of not trading Beal and getting assets in return to rebuild. then you hope Wall makes it back and shows enough that you can deal him at some point with assets to clear him off the books or eventually stretch him. Otherwise, you're going nowhere in a hurry although I guess they were anyways before any of the Wall injury stuff.
Knox replaces Lonzo at the Rising Stars game.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2019 12:26 pm : link
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Durant comes to NYC every offseason  
moespree : 2/6/2019 1:12 pm : link
Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.
RE: -  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/6/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14288803 DanMetroMan said:
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Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48

Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48

One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)


Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.

His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.

Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 1:45 pm : link
Man, Denver should never deal with Utah ever again... in 2 trades Utah landed Gobert and Mitchel, giving up Erick Green, Trey Lyles and Tyler Lydon.. and Denver is 21 over .500 despite that + Porter a MAJOR lottery ticket
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14289050 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48

Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48

One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)



Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.

His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.

Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.


All of this might be true but Houston also played in an era where it was easier to play defense so his offensive numbers likely would have been better in this era. Look, Klay is a good/very good player but he's not a #1 on a title team and a team like the Knicks can't afford to give a guy like that max money unless he's your clear #2 best player.
Klay seems more Reggie Miller than Houston  
giants#1 : 2/6/2019 1:54 pm : link
to me. Great at coming off screens and moving without the ball and then sinking the 3s.

RE: Durant comes to NYC every offseason  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14289018 moespree said:
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Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.

He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING
,  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 1:58 pm : link
Stanimal doesn't look like an NBA player to me. Maker has NBA length and range. He's been underwhelming but playing for a contender limited his minutes. I'm more down on Frank than most but I'd offer Frank for Thon #Knicks
RE: RE: Durant comes to NYC every offseason  
giants#1 : 2/6/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14289061 Strahan91 said:
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Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.


He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING


Eli's next career!
IMO the more I think about this the more it looks purely business  
NoGainDayne : 2/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
for Durant. He's been expanding his VC footprint in the Bay and now he wants to cozy up to the investment community in NY.

Think turning the Knicks around is a pretty good way to make new friends, perhaps find yourself included on deals you wouldn't otherwise be...
NO  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 2:05 pm : link
has made "everyone" available (at the right price)

Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
RE: NO  
Stu11 : 2/6/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14289068 DanMetroMan said:
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has made "everyone" available (at the right price)

Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.

I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
RE: RE: NO  
NoGainDayne : 2/6/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14289129 Stu11 said:
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has made "everyone" available (at the right price)

Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.


I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.


Not a bad idea if we want to give the Pels an option for a complete rebuild. Trade an asset to a 3rd team for Solomon Hill and just completely clear out their cap with sending back expirings. Many less moving parts that way and you clear it through KD in advance with your back channels. You make it pretty close to 100% then IMO. They think KD is coming but that might be based on assumptions of Kyrie or Leonard coming here that very well might not come to fruition or have not even made up their minds.
Jarred Dubin  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 3:22 pm : link
At this point, Matthews seems likely to end up the most sought-after player on the buyout market. The Knicks have reportedly been contacted by at least one team about acquiring him in a trade in order to prevent him from becoming available at all, but if he hits waivers, there are any number of contenders that will and should be immediately interested in his services, whether as a starter or as a reserve.

Matthews is no longer at his 3-and-D peak, but he can still be valuable as a multi-positional defender on the wing who can knock down spot-up shots, post up smaller defenders, and take advantage of rotations as a second-side ball-handler. The Rockets and Sixers make sense as potential fits, but teams like the Thunder, Warriors, and especially Lakers (if they trade half their roster for Anthony Davis) should unquestionably get involved if he becomes available.

New York may apparently decide to hang onto Jordan due to his friendship with Kevin Durant. Assuming the organization comes to the realization that that particular line of thinking doesn’t make much sense, Jordan should have several potential suitors. The Rockets could make a good deal of sense with Clint Capela still on the mend, but with the likelihood that Jordan would be pushed into a bench role upon Capela’s return, it’s tough to see him being overly interested. The Warriors may have other targets in mind, although being able to split their center minutes between Jordan and DeMarcus Cousins would be a blast.

But the best fit may be the one that’s been talked about the most: A return to Los Angeles, this time with the Lakers. He’d make a ton of sense there whether L.A. trades for Davis or not. We all know AD would prefer not to play center and LeBron James would prefer not to play the 4, so Jordan could slot in ahead of JaVale McGee and Tyson Chandler as the preferred center option when the team goes big.

It remains to be seen whether any playoff teams would be interested in Kanter, or why they would be interested in a guy who has looked like a liability during the playoffs in his career. But crazier things have happened.
RE: I'd sign on the dotted line for  
81_Great_Dane : 2/6/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14288822 Pep22 said:
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PF: Zion, Vonleh

The Zion part requires a certain little ball to bounce the right way.
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 3:42 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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Miami is nearing a deal to send guard Tyler Johnson to Phoenix, league sources tell ESPN.
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 4:11 pm : link

Tomer Azarly
@TomerAzarly
Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14289180 DanMetroMan said:
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Tomer Azarly
@TomerAzarly
Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.


Well, unfortunately for Mike, he doesn't have a choice.
Would Utah really make such a huge  
Metnut : 2/6/2019 4:19 pm : link
investment in a player who doesn't want to be there?
Pat  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 4:21 pm : link
the Rat swaps Tyler Johnson for Ryan Anderson

Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.

RE: Pat  
Anakim : 2/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14289190 DanMetroMan said:
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the Rat swaps Tyler Johnson for Ryan Anderson

Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.



Suns also get Knicks great Wayne Ellington
Another player trying to dictate  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 4:35 pm : link
Where he is traded.

Fuck Mike Conley. Let him rot in Memphis then...
Utah Jazz fans are worse than Eagles fans  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/6/2019 4:42 pm : link
and it's a boring ass town. Not surprising that an opposing player who's heard how shitty that fanbase is doesn't want to go there.
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