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Here is the "College QB" that stands out above the rest...

sxdxca : 2/6/2019 9:50 am
Whenever I look at a QB, or any player for that matter, I always see how he compares to his fellow peers while playing against the same defense.

The player that emerges time and time again, "in my opinion", is none other than Jake Fromm. He outperforms his peers, over and over again. These are just "some" of his games, in comparison to his fellow college QB's...

Against Vanderbilt

- Jake Fromm 17/23 73.9% 276 Yards 3 TD 0 Int 217.8 QBR

- Drew Lock 22/33 66.7% 253 Yards 2 TD 2 Int 138.9 QBR

Against South Carolina

- Jake Fromm 15/18 83.3% 194 Yards 1 TD 1 Int 181.1 QBR

- Drew Lock - 17/36 47.2% 204 Yards 0 TD 2 Int 83.7 QBR

- Trevor Lawrence 27/36 75.0% 393 Yards 1 TD 0 Int 175 QBR

Against Alabama

- Jake Fromm 25/39 64.1% 301 Yards 3 TD 0 Int 154.3 QBR

- Drew Lock 13/26 50.0% 142 Yards 1 TD 2 Int 93.2 QBR

- Kyler Murray 19/37 51.4% 308 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 139.1 QBR

- Trevor Lawrence 20/32 62.5% 347 Yards 3 TD 0 Int 184.5 QBR

Against Kentucky

- Jake Fromm 14/20 70.0% 113 Yards 1 TD 0 Int 134 QBR

- Drew Lock 15/27 55.6% 165 Yards 0 TD 0 Int 106.9 QBR

As you can see Jake Fromm consistently outperforms almost every single one of his peers, when he goes up against the same defense.

I could have presented more comparison stats, but I felt that was enough to make my case.

When you watch him, he checks off so many boxes.

Fast mental processing --- check
Mobile --- check
Quick decision making --- check
Good arm strength ---- check
Accurate ---- check
Can play under center ---- check
Can Rollout ---- check
Pocket Passer ---- check
Plays well in Big Games ---- check

If you watch Fromm vs Alabama, probably one of the toughest opponents any QB has to go up against in college. He was under duress and pressure that entire game, yet he dissected them like a surgeon.

Time and time again, he was deadly accurate, even when free rushers were right in his face. This is the QB that we need.

He makes everyone around him better, raises the level of play, and he plays fast. The NFL game, will not be too hard for him, in fact I believe the transition will be rather smooth.

He has "some" similarities to Baker Mayfield. Imagine having Mayfield starting on the Giants for the next 15 years, that's what we will get with Fromm.

Haskins, Lock, Murray, Jones, are all inferior QB prospects, especially from the pocket compared to Fromm, in my opinion.

I would prefer the Giants pass on a QB this year, and go and get Fromm in 2020.

Feel free to discuss, I'm curious your thoughts?

let's say you're right about him being the best  
Pep22 : 2/6/2019 9:54 am : link
of the undrafted crop (I don't agree), but do you understand how illogical it is to lock into ONE GUY a year in advance of his draft??
I like  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 9:58 am : link
cheese.
I like bread  
YAJ2112 : 2/6/2019 9:59 am : link
and butter
.  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 9:59 am : link
RESEARCH!!!!!!
This logic is very flawed  
George from PA : 2/6/2019 10:00 am : link
As Georgia is one of the few teams with enough talent to match up with any team.

Now, we can not knock him for it either.

But like Haskin at Ohio St.....comparing statistics will get any evaluating tough to do..way too many variables ..as WRs, OL, TEs, running game and even coaching.

Also, What if teams are missing key players on defense
RE: This logic is very flawed  
Mike from Ohio : 2/6/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14288775 George from PA said:
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As Georgia is one of the few teams with enough talent to match up with any team.

Now, we can not knock him for it either.

But like Haskin at Ohio St.....comparing statistics will get any evaluating tough to do..way too many variables ..as WRs, OL, TEs, running game and even coaching.

Also, What if teams are missing key players on defense


This poster's logic is always flawed. He thinks looking up stats and comparing them is "reseacrh" or "analytics." He has no idea what he is looking at and he is too dense to listen to the chorus of people who point that out to him.
Yes The OP's Logic is Flawed...  
Jim in Tampa : 2/6/2019 10:12 am : link
But I think that instead of attacking the OP other posters should use these threads to discuss football.
Didn't you make the same flawed assumption  
Eli2020 : 2/6/2019 10:16 am : link
a few weeks back backing up why the Giants shouldn't draft Lock?

You can't make a game-by-game comparison with so many unpredictable variables (Home-field advantage, weather, Injuries, bad games by other players, exc.).

There's a reason why Sabermetrics is so much more accurate in sports like baseball than football. There's just too much going on each football play to be able to make this comparison.

RE: I like bread  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14288772 YAJ2112 said:
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and butter


Fuck that. I like toast and jam.
How can we guarantee we'd get Fromm? Will we be at  
Blue21 : 2/6/2019 10:17 am : link
the right spot to get him? Probably not. Can we trade to get him? Very loooong shot. We need a willing partner. That partner may also be QB needy or we may be in competition for that spot and don't have enough or willing enough to give up enough to get him. Flawed logic to expect to get him.
The only..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/6/2019 10:18 am : link
real topic to discuss is if this will be another "hit and run" for the fuckstain or if he'll actually do anything other than posting a flawed comparison and then disappearing.
Troll or Bot?  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 10:19 am : link
I can't tell anymore
.  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 10:21 am : link
Here's what he did....

Copied and pasted stats for each player, and then took a one game sample against Alabama and used that as proof that the Giants "need" Jake Fromm State Farm.

This isn't analysis and all this guy does is post these dopey threads and bail.
Thank you...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/6/2019 10:24 am : link
...Jim.

OK, so with so many uncontrollable and unavoidable variables, I suppose that we simply cannot compare players with one another...at all...at any position?!

Perfect analysis is not going to come from "random Giants fan," but, as Jim pointed out, some analysis could spark debate. The analysis, regardless of how complete, simply provides a place from which to start the conversation.

...lighten up and add to the conversation?
keep in mind...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/6/2019 10:26 am : link
...that I am unfamiliar with "fuckstain."


Some people are gainfully employed  
WillieYoung : 2/6/2019 10:26 am : link
and can't sit on this site all day to defend their posts
RE: Thank you...  
YAJ2112 : 2/6/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14288809 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Jim.

OK, so with so many uncontrollable and unavoidable variables, I suppose that we simply cannot compare players with one another...at all...at any position?!

Perfect analysis is not going to come from "random Giants fan," but, as Jim pointed out, some analysis could spark debate. The analysis, regardless of how complete, simply provides a place from which to start the conversation.

...lighten up and add to the conversation?


and why can't we do that on one of the other 800 threads discussing the same topic?
RE: Thank you...  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14288809 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Jim.

OK, so with so many uncontrollable and unavoidable variables, I suppose that we simply cannot compare players with one another...at all...at any position?!

Perfect analysis is not going to come from "random Giants fan," but, as Jim pointed out, some analysis could spark debate. The analysis, regardless of how complete, simply provides a place from which to start the conversation.

...lighten up and add to the conversation?

Hmmm, both Brown Hornet and sxdca use "..." over and over and over again and Brown Hornet is now defending sxdca's "analysis" or whatever you'd like to call it. Same poster? Definitely.
What..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/6/2019 10:28 am : link
debate are we supposed to have?

If it is like other threads, even the stats could be incorrect.

And for a QB who "outperforms every single one of his peers", he wasn't as impressive as Lawrence vs. Alabama, either on stats or on outcome.

Using comparisons like this, we can make a case that Eric Dungey should be a top rated QB this year.
RE: Some people are gainfully employed  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14288812 WillieYoung said:
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and can't sit on this site all day to defend their posts


Sure, that's it... definitely a logical explanation for posting a litany of hit and run threads where he never posts again at all.

I guess he works 24 hours a day.
RE: I like bread  
Gman11 : 2/6/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14288772 YAJ2112 said:
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and butter

I like toast and jam
arc..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/6/2019 10:30 am : link
the research has to take a bit of time, so he researches by using the cut and paste tool for 5 minutes, takes another minute to post, and then works 23 hours and 54 minutes.

He doesn't sleep because of the exhaustive analytics he's thinking about.
RE: What..  
Strahan91 : 2/6/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14288815 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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debate are we supposed to have?

If it is like other threads, even the stats could be incorrect.

And for a QB who "outperforms every single one of his peers", he wasn't as impressive as Lawrence vs. Alabama, either on stats or on outcome.

Using comparisons like this, we can make a case that Eric Dungey should be a top rated QB this year.

Don't give OP any new thread ideas please
It's the same  
Gman11 : 2/6/2019 10:33 am : link
analysis as the Giants beat the Texans. The Texans beat the Colts and Cowboys. So, the Giants were better than the Colts and Cowboys.
Giants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/6/2019 10:35 am : link
beat the Bears. The Bears with a better kicker beat the Eagles, so with our Pro Bowl kicker, we beat the Eagles!
RE: Yes The OP's Logic is Flawed...  
Mike from Ohio : 2/6/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14288791 Jim in Tampa said:
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But I think that instead of attacking the OP other posters should use these threads to discuss football.


Good conversations about football don't start with inanity. This is not some poster trying to start a discussion. He posts this type of stuff all the time and then screams at people who disagree with him, or he runs away and never posts again.

These are the types of threads this board does not need. You and Brown Hornet may be unfamiliar with his history, which is why people who know him are pointing it out for everyone else.
RE: arc..  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14288825 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the research has to take a bit of time, so he researches by using the cut and paste tool for 5 minutes, takes another minute to post, and then works 23 hours and 54 minutes.

He doesn't sleep because of the exhaustive analytics he's thinking about.


I'm really just waiting for the next Davis Webb thread, if we're being honest.
Unless he can play RT, LB, CB, DE, DT, or G he makes no sense  
SterlingArcher : 2/6/2019 10:50 am : link
for the Giants to draft him.
You have zero credibility  
Joey in VA : 2/6/2019 10:54 am : link
After slobbering all over Davis Webb all Summer last year. You don't have a shred of ability to scout or evaluate a fucking thing.
Look  
mdthedream : 2/6/2019 10:58 am : link
we could be picking 20th next season. Also saying someone played better against the same team is nuts the teams that each QB plays for has different talent. If said QB had Randy Moss and OBJ on there team we will out play a QB that has no NFL talented players. How the hell can you compare that?
I like Fromm  
UConn4523 : 2/6/2019 11:00 am : link
but that has nothing to do with your research. Just comparing like opponents isn't research. But you know that.
Itís posts like these...  
bw in dc : 2/6/2019 11:03 am : link
that almost make me miss the content provided by Matt in Syracuse.
RE: Itís posts like these...  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14288869 bw in dc said:
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that almost make me miss the content provided by Matt in Syracuse.


Sorry, but I for one miss MiS
Dude, we've been through this  
Anakim : 2/6/2019 11:10 am : link
How two players perform against one team is a terrible way to compare them
RE: Dude, we've been through this  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14288879 Anakim said:
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How two players perform against one team is a terrible way to compare them


Otherwise Eli and not Brady, would be the best of all time
Strahan91...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/6/2019 11:13 am : link
...ok?

I agree with Fatman, Eric Dungey should be our guy.


I miss MiS as well.

mgorga, not so much.


Hi Paulie!


RE: RE: Dude, we've been through this  
Anakim : 2/6/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14288887 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14288879 Anakim said:


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How two players perform against one team is a terrible way to compare them



Otherwise Eli and not Brady, would be the best of all time


Defensive players don't play, defensive players get injured and aren't 100%, defensive schemes change based on the offense they're going against, there's garbage duty, defenses give up, defenses play more to stop the run than the pass...


And not every QB will have a stellar game each game he plays. And sometimes, a shitty QB will play well against a good defense.


In 2012, Aaron Rodgers had a stat line of 219 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 56% comp. percentage against the Giants.

Two week prior? Andy Dalton threw 4 TDs against the Giants.


Would anyone say Dalton was/is better than Rodgers?
RE: RE: Itís posts like these...  
bw in dc : 2/6/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14288875 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14288869 bw in dc said:


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that almost make me miss the content provided by Matt in Syracuse.



Sorry, but I for one miss MiS


He was a pisser.

When I finally got him to admit he rarely watched college football one season, despite his strong opinions trying to suggest otherwise, I had to book an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon to make sure I didn't have nerve damage in my hands from endlessly debating the clown... ;)

You  
cokeduplt : 2/6/2019 11:39 am : link
Made this thread already
The OP post makes little sense...  
bradshaw44 : 2/6/2019 11:51 am : link
But I'm in the Fromm camp. I think he will have the best career of all the QB's from 2020-2021 classes that are supposed to be great. Just my opinion of course.
This guys has to be a troll  
Chef : 2/6/2019 12:07 pm : link
He posts these threads, proceeds to get ripped for them. and he comes back for more.
RE: The OP post makes little sense...  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14288944 bradshaw44 said:
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But I'm in the Fromm camp. I think he will have the best career of all the QB's from 2020-2021 classes that are supposed to be great. Just my opinion of course.


I'd be very surprised if Fromm wound up better than Lawrence.

I think Tua will be better, too - but I'm also an Alabama fan, so I'm biased.
Fromm  
Mark in ATL : 2/6/2019 12:13 pm : link
While thereís a chance Fromm becomes a solid pro QB, I think there is a better chance that one of his former teammates, Eason and Fields, has a better pro career. I doubt the OP knows who those two are.
If a poster  
joeinpa : 2/6/2019 12:43 pm : link
Is looking for attention and keeps posting what is considered nonsensical analytics to get it.........and accomplishes his goal, I d say that s on those who continually click on his posts to point out how flawed and annoying he is.
RE: Fromm  
Anakim : 2/6/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14288962 Mark in ATL said:
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While thereís a chance Fromm becomes a solid pro QB, I think there is a better chance that one of his former teammates, Eason and Fields, has a better pro career. I doubt the OP knows who those two are.


Totally agree. Fields will be awesome for Ohio State. Eason has a howlitzer for an arm.
RE: How can we guarantee we'd get Fromm? Will we be at  
mrvax : 2/6/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14288799 Blue21 said:
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the right spot to get him? Probably not. Can we trade to get him? Very loooong shot. We need a willing partner. That partner may also be QB needy or we may be in competition for that spot and don't have enough or willing enough to give up enough to get him. Flawed logic to expect to get him.


Add to that, if Fromm is still highly rated come next April, a QB needy team like our Giants may have to trade up to the #1 slot in the draft to land him!
RE: I like bread  
Bluesbreaker : 2/6/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14288772 YAJ2112 said:
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and butter


I like toast and Jam ..
Would love to get Fromm but we need to see what happens
this season first . Haskins Foles Lock who the heck
knows ..
Do we have to have one of these  
Dave on the UWS : 2/6/2019 5:19 pm : link
ďCompare the QBsĒ from this jerk every freakin day? The logic is so stupid itís worthless. The talent levels on ALL of these teams is massively different so any comparison is worthless. Heís been told but he keeps posting the same crap.
I like those Nabisco  
Doomster : 2/6/2019 5:26 pm : link
Pinwheels.....man have those suckers shrunk over the years....
You know what I see in this thread?  
santacruzom : 2/6/2019 8:26 pm : link
Too many responses.
Fromm is cream of the crop next year.  
TMS : 2/6/2019 9:09 pm : link
What is this rocket science ? But we will have to to be 3/13 again to have a shot at him, F///k that . This coaching staff will be on life support if that happens next year. Another rebuild. Sorry do not have the time.
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