Foles would not have to win by himself. He'd have Saquon, Beckham, Engram, Shepard. Not a bad supporting cast plus if the QB position is solidified for some years without using the draft, the Giants can beef up the OL (and DL) with high draft choices plus Gettleman is good at finding useful linemen late in the draft
I was replying to the statement that Eli can't win game any himself anymore...
So take your post and replace "Foles" with "Eli" and we're ready to rock and roll..
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of Foles, but a lot of folks around here really don't appreciate how close Eli is to the end. The Giants need a plan now.
Eli is the QB for one year tops. No way in hell Eli gets an extension. One year.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
May I ask, why is waiting for the 2020 QB class not responsible as you say?
Wouldn't forcing a QB pick in 2019, just for need be irresponsible?
Especially if that player isn't the answer long term?
of Foles, but a lot of folks around here really don't appreciate how close Eli is to the end. The Giants need a plan now.
Eli is the QB for one year tops. No way in hell Eli gets an extension. One year.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
The Giants have a plan. We have little idea exactly what that is right now. We ASSUME it’s Eli this year with a QB who we’ll probably draft sitting and learning. We can opine and opine, but we’ll just have to stay tuned and follow whatever reality the Giants say it is
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
If you believe teams behind the Giants would trade up in front of Giants to get Haskins, in the process paying a steeper price than the Giants, also insinuate the Giants possibility of moving up as being too expensive?
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
That's how you get into QB hell
100% agree. Who knows where these rumors are coming from right now, but I think it's in the Giants best interest for the Eagles to actually franchise him and tie up cap space until they can figure out a trade, where they won't really get top value (assuming this is even legal, which has been questioned if it can be done in the CBA)
In my mind, the right move for the Giants is to get Lauletta and Tanney out of here, since neither really is a factor in any way. Look to sign a guy who has been developed as a 3rd QB already on a roster and pluck him as a free agent (Sudfeld or Sloter type). And draft a QB this year. The Giants goal is for a Chiefs transition type rather than the QB hell the Broncos are in after Peyton left.
The best case scenario for the Giants is to get Foles to a team like Jax to remove them as a competition for a QB in this draft.
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
That's how you get into QB hell
100% agree. Who knows where these rumors are coming from right now, but I think it's in the Giants best interest for the Eagles to actually franchise him and tie up cap space until they can figure out a trade, where they won't really get top value (assuming this is even legal, which has been questioned if it can be done in the CBA)
In my mind, the right move for the Giants is to get Lauletta and Tanney out of here, since neither really is a factor in any way. Look to sign a guy who has been developed as a 3rd QB already on a roster and pluck him as a free agent (Sudfeld or Sloter type). And draft a QB this year. The Giants goal is for a Chiefs transition type rather than the QB hell the Broncos are in after Peyton left.
The best case scenario for the Giants is to get Foles to a team like Jax to remove them as a competition for a QB in this draft.
I agree with all of this...
Foles being an icon in Philadelphia (a city I live in and loathe with a passion) is not the only reason I don't want him... it's just that he isn't good enough to outweigh that huge negative, IMO.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
May I ask, why is waiting for the 2020 QB class not responsible as you say?
Wouldn't forcing a QB pick in 2019, just for need be irresponsible?
Especially if that player isn't the answer long term?
Because we know what pick we have and what players are available to us In 2020 we don’t have a clue on any of these things
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him.
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him. Jeter was done. He was replaced (Pedroia would have been a better choice than Damon, btw, for your example). Every icon is replaced eventually. You can only hope for a competent replacement that won't embarrass themselves.
I don't want them to spend $20 mill on Foles because I do not think he is worth that money. Jax or Denver may go after him. But if they decide that Foles can fill the gap for 5 years or so until they can a viable young guy, I'm ok with it. I'm not sure that Foles would want to come to NYG. I'm not sure he fits what DG and PS want. But of all the stop gap candidates out there Nick Foles is clearly the most competent QB on the potential market.
is the best way to go, plus you can use the extra cash to bolster the roster in other places. Having to spend more money on Foles and being in cap hell if you cut Eli will probably cause more issues than not.
If the Eagles franchise Foles they'll have to cut Jason Peters, Tim Jernigan and Michael Bennett by the first day of the league year. (There are other combinations to get it done but this makes the most sense to me.)
This story is Philly angling to get the Giants to give up a pick for his rights now.
If the Eagles franchise Foles they'll have to cut Jason Peters, Tim Jernigan and Michael Bennett by the first day of the league year. (There are other combinations to get it done but this makes the most sense to me.)
This story is Philly angling to get the Giants to give up a pick for his rights now.
I don't see the leverage working that way. The Giants, if they were to entertain this, they have the upper hand. They have Eli under contract, they have the 6th pick in the draft with a QB prospect potentially there. The Eagles can become paralyzed by tagging him. If I were the Giants, I'd be thrilled if they did this. Like I said earlier, I think they are more likely to go after Sudfeld than Foles and by forcing the Eagles to tag him, they could force the Eagles to not tender Sudfeld.
fall for this foolishness, I would question things and start to come around that we are a franchise without a plan or without a clue.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
It would depend on what they signed him for and for how long. If the Eagles do franchise him, it eliminates the Giants. If they do not franchise him and the Giants get him for south 20 million/per and not for too long it would be better than running Eli out there next year. The contract is everything, if done properly, it would be a solid move. If done for stupid money and years, terrible for the franchise. I think Foles represents a substantial upgrade over Manning at this point in their careers. For those that think Eli has not lost much, signing Foles would seem stupid. In the end, it is moot. The Eagles will franchise him and will not trade him to the Giants.
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him. Jeter was done. He was replaced (Pedroia would have been a better choice than Damon, btw, for your example). Every icon is replaced eventually. You can only hope for a competent replacement that won't embarrass themselves.
I don't want them to spend $20 mill on Foles because I do not think he is worth that money. Jax or Denver may go after him. But if they decide that Foles can fill the gap for 5 years or so until they can a viable young guy, I'm ok with it. I'm not sure that Foles would want to come to NYG. I'm not sure he fits what DG and PS want. But of all the stop gap candidates out there Nick Foles is clearly the most competent QB on the potential market.
1) It's not logic. It's an opinion. We have differing opinions. It's fine. You think I'm ridiculous. I think you don't hate the Eagles as much as I think Giants fans should.
2) Pedroia never played for the Yankees and he was an MVP. My point with Damon was that he was a decent player who broke the Red Sox curse and whose cult hero status in Boston was greater than his actual ability. Timing and position didn't line up with Jeter.... but I'm talking about replacing a FRANCHISE LEGEND with an ARCHRIVAL's HERO.
That was the point.
We can agree to disagree.
Eli is indeed going to be replaced by someone. I just don't want it to be Foles for a multitude of reasons... him personifying the single worst football experience of my life is only one of them.
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
I think rational posters who dont want Foles for a few reasons... Â
1. He is going to command a shit load of money at 30 years old.
2. He sucks.
So committing lots of money, for many years, to a shitty QB is probably the reason why people dont want him. But hey, lets take pot shots at posters! More fun that way...
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
I want them to draft a QB and give Eli 1 more year... I'm not going to deny that...
2nd option would be to let Eli go and just give the rookie the reigns...
In both of those cases, of course, I want the Giants to be confident they are picking the right guy..
But if the Giants NEED to go get a stopgap not named Eli Manning.... give me Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Taylor, Carr, Tannehill..any of them... over Foles.
I'd rather Eli than any of them... I'd rather any of them over Foles.
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1. He is going to command a shit load of money at 30 years old.
2. He sucks.
So committing lots of money, for many years, to a shitty QB is probably the reason why people dont want him. But hey, lets take pot shots at posters! More fun that way...
For the record.. I agree with those reasons as well...
I just think personal relationships and legacy are more important than folks give credit... and I think John Mara feels the same way.
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
fall for this foolishness, I would question things and start to come around that we are a franchise without a plan or without a clue.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
Seriously. Signing Foles for anything >$10M per is iditioc. Trading assets to Philly and signing him to a deal worth >$20M per would force me into a hiatus at least until he's off the team.
RE: RE: The Foles hate is directly proportional to the Eli love on this Board Â
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
1. Everything he has said points to him thinking he can still play.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I have been strongly suggesting they move on from Eli for years now Â
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
1. Everything he has said points to him thinking he can still play.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I'm all for letting Eli go now and giving a draft pick the reigns...
But I think you are underrating and misrepresenting Eli's role.
Eli isn't going to "train" a QB. Eli is going to go about his business, which is being one of the hardest working, most well prepared QBs ever. If we draft the right QB, he will understand how incredible that experience is and will do whatever he can to be a sponge and capture that knowledge.
Say what you want about 21 year old kids...point to his unpopularity w/ non NY Media and fans... Eli Manning has juice..especially with QBs and coaches around football.
But we already ARE starving at QB. It is not a mystery to anyone in the league. Everyone knows we may be in play for a QB at #6. There is no shock there whether Eli is on the roster or not.
We can't pay $17M in cap space simply to try to maintain an illusion that isn't fooling anyone. If that's what ends up happening it will be because the front office hasn't accepted a hard truth: no one in the NFL considers Eli a quality starting QB anymore.
Comes from QB royalty Eli? You mean kids that have played QB their whole lives, formative years are him taking down the GOAT in two superbowls? Lol yep totally walking in the door and giving him wedgies and stuffing him in a locker. Dwayne Haskins a life-long Giants fan doesn't give a shit about Eli. That may be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on here. I get your whole shtichk is hyperbole, but you should walk that one back.
does not wanting to sign Foles have to do with keeping Eli??
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That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
It is "absurd" and "extremely novel" to not want to sign a guy for $20M who has been a pedestrian QB his entire career? Explain that to me. Better yet, explain to me how Foles is going to make the team better when we've seen several times where he has struggled running an offense, the start to this season included.
He is Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins with a ring and a SB MVP.
That precisely the shit you overpay for - just like if somebody were to give Joe Flacco a shitload of money - Oh wait, that happened too!!
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
Fitz did that one time as a (hilarous) joke.
Thats not his real image. His real image is a family orientated Harvard man
He was at a grocery store doing some shopping. I told him, if your thinking of teams to play for, don't rule out the Giants. He shook my hand and told me, "they're gonna get Foles" meaning the Giants.
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
He was at a grocery store doing some shopping. I told him, if your thinking of teams to play for, don't rule out the Giants. He shook my hand and told me, "they're gonna get Foles" meaning the Giants.
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
I was replying to the statement that Eli can't win game any himself anymore...
So take your post and replace "Foles" with "Eli" and we're ready to rock and roll..
LOL! Exactly!! Only, more like the Rabbit in Holy Grail
BBI always a step ahead...
Eli is the QB for one year tops. No way in hell Eli gets an extension. One year.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
May I ask, why is waiting for the 2020 QB class not responsible as you say?
Wouldn't forcing a QB pick in 2019, just for need be irresponsible?
Especially if that player isn't the answer long term?
Eli is the QB for one year tops. No way in hell Eli gets an extension. One year.
He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
The Giants have a plan. We have little idea exactly what that is right now. We ASSUME it’s Eli this year with a QB who we’ll probably draft sitting and learning. We can opine and opine, but we’ll just have to stay tuned and follow whatever reality the Giants say it is
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
Not being confrontational, just curious
He's this year's Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins.
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
That's how you get into QB hell
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
He's this year's Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins.
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
That's how you get into QB hell
100% agree. Who knows where these rumors are coming from right now, but I think it's in the Giants best interest for the Eagles to actually franchise him and tie up cap space until they can figure out a trade, where they won't really get top value (assuming this is even legal, which has been questioned if it can be done in the CBA)
In my mind, the right move for the Giants is to get Lauletta and Tanney out of here, since neither really is a factor in any way. Look to sign a guy who has been developed as a 3rd QB already on a roster and pluck him as a free agent (Sudfeld or Sloter type). And draft a QB this year. The Giants goal is for a Chiefs transition type rather than the QB hell the Broncos are in after Peyton left.
The best case scenario for the Giants is to get Foles to a team like Jax to remove them as a competition for a QB in this draft.
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is exactly the type of QB we should be avoiding.
He's this year's Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins.
We should be drafting Eli's replacement and use the cost controlled QB to fortify the rest of the team, not going after a career journeyman who has an inflated price tag because of a handful of games playing on a better team
That's how you get into QB hell
100% agree. Who knows where these rumors are coming from right now, but I think it's in the Giants best interest for the Eagles to actually franchise him and tie up cap space until they can figure out a trade, where they won't really get top value (assuming this is even legal, which has been questioned if it can be done in the CBA)
In my mind, the right move for the Giants is to get Lauletta and Tanney out of here, since neither really is a factor in any way. Look to sign a guy who has been developed as a 3rd QB already on a roster and pluck him as a free agent (Sudfeld or Sloter type). And draft a QB this year. The Giants goal is for a Chiefs transition type rather than the QB hell the Broncos are in after Peyton left.
The best case scenario for the Giants is to get Foles to a team like Jax to remove them as a competition for a QB in this draft.
I agree with all of this...
Foles being an icon in Philadelphia (a city I live in and loathe with a passion) is not the only reason I don't want him... it's just that he isn't good enough to outweigh that huge negative, IMO.
If you poll the majority of Eagles fans, they'd rather have Wentz as their starter.
That's a pretty low bar for a supposed icon.
If you poll the majority of Eagles fans, they'd rather have Wentz as their starter.
That's a pretty low bar for a supposed icon.
Doesn't mean they don't love Nick Foles.
These animals don't stop with the Philly Philly nonsense.
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is not an icon. He's a Super Bowl MVP.
If you poll the majority of Eagles fans, they'd rather have Wentz as their starter.
That's a pretty low bar for a supposed icon.
Doesn't mean they don't love Nick Foles.
These animals don't stop with the Philly Philly nonsense.
I stick to the icon definition..
a person or thing regarded as a representative symbol
Like I said..there is literally a statue of him...so maybe I could have used the word idol
Maybe cult hero? Fan favorite?
Whatever you want to call it... he is revered beyond belief here..in a way Donovan McNabb could only dream of
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He was not the cause of this season going to hell but he is 38. A fucking lineman is not going to make him younger. He is not Brady. He isnt Eli of 07. It is time for a plan, and waiting for a QB from this fucking mystical magical 2020 class is not the most responsible way to handle it.
May I ask, why is waiting for the 2020 QB class not responsible as you say?
Wouldn't forcing a QB pick in 2019, just for need be irresponsible?
Especially if that player isn't the answer long term?
Because we know what pick we have and what players are available to us In 2020 we don’t have a clue on any of these things
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him.
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him. Jeter was done. He was replaced (Pedroia would have been a better choice than Damon, btw, for your example). Every icon is replaced eventually. You can only hope for a competent replacement that won't embarrass themselves.
I don't want them to spend $20 mill on Foles because I do not think he is worth that money. Jax or Denver may go after him. But if they decide that Foles can fill the gap for 5 years or so until they can a viable young guy, I'm ok with it. I'm not sure that Foles would want to come to NYG. I'm not sure he fits what DG and PS want. But of all the stop gap candidates out there Nick Foles is clearly the most competent QB on the potential market.
This story is Philly angling to get the Giants to give up a pick for his rights now.
This story is Philly angling to get the Giants to give up a pick for his rights now.
I don't see the leverage working that way. The Giants, if they were to entertain this, they have the upper hand. They have Eli under contract, they have the 6th pick in the draft with a QB prospect potentially there. The Eagles can become paralyzed by tagging him. If I were the Giants, I'd be thrilled if they did this. Like I said earlier, I think they are more likely to go after Sudfeld than Foles and by forcing the Eagles to tag him, they could force the Eagles to not tender Sudfeld.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
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If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
I'm not embarrassed by it.
I'm a Giants fan.
Can't sleep when they lose, can't sleep when the Eagles win.
I'm surprised more don't feel that way.
But..I also think Foles is a marginal QB. His success is a result of playing with her no pressure and a coach calling plays like he has nothing to lose with his backup QB.
How much would you care if the Giants signed Fletcher Cox or is it just QBs you have a problem with.
There is nothing wrong with saying you don't think Foles would be a good QB for the Giants. Plenty of history to back up that argument. But to not root for a player because he came from a hated rival is silly.
I'd have no problem with Fletcher Cox, I'd have no problem with Carson Wentz..
It's not even "QBs"..it's replacing a legend with another teams cult hero who has shown no success outside of an Eagles uniform.
I mean are you really telling me Yankees fans wouldn't have been upset if, hypothetically, they had to cut Derek Jeter in order to sign Johnny Damon??
When I said "another team's" I meant "your most hated rival's cult hero"
So it's really more to do with that it's Eli Manning.
In my opinion, there is a right way and a wrong way to part ways with a future Hall of Famer, icon, and legend who will be and should be a beloved member of your franchise in perpetuity. There is no player above Eli Manning in NY Giants history... replacing him with a 30 year old middle-of-the road QB who has had a 9 foot tall bronze statue erected in his honor outside of your most hated rival's stadium, who epitomizes and is responsible for one of the saddest, most traumatic days in Giants fan history... is not the right way to do it.
Anyone else. Literally anyone.
I still am upset about the Eagles winning and every time I look at that goofy, Napoleon Dynamite looking dude, it's all I can think of.. surprised that more Giants fans don't feel that way....
Ridiculous logic. Eli is going to be replaced by somebody. That book will be closed. Who cares if Foles is a "cult" hero if the Giants start winning with him. Jeter was done. He was replaced (Pedroia would have been a better choice than Damon, btw, for your example). Every icon is replaced eventually. You can only hope for a competent replacement that won't embarrass themselves.
I don't want them to spend $20 mill on Foles because I do not think he is worth that money. Jax or Denver may go after him. But if they decide that Foles can fill the gap for 5 years or so until they can a viable young guy, I'm ok with it. I'm not sure that Foles would want to come to NYG. I'm not sure he fits what DG and PS want. But of all the stop gap candidates out there Nick Foles is clearly the most competent QB on the potential market.
1) It's not logic. It's an opinion. We have differing opinions. It's fine. You think I'm ridiculous. I think you don't hate the Eagles as much as I think Giants fans should.
2) Pedroia never played for the Yankees and he was an MVP. My point with Damon was that he was a decent player who broke the Red Sox curse and whose cult hero status in Boston was greater than his actual ability. Timing and position didn't line up with Jeter.... but I'm talking about replacing a FRANCHISE LEGEND with an ARCHRIVAL's HERO.
That was the point.
We can agree to disagree.
Eli is indeed going to be replaced by someone. I just don't want it to be Foles for a multitude of reasons... him personifying the single worst football experience of my life is only one of them.
I've changed my mind, sign FOALS GEDDLEMIN YOU MORON!!!?!
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
2. He sucks.
So committing lots of money, for many years, to a shitty QB is probably the reason why people dont want him. But hey, lets take pot shots at posters! More fun that way...
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
I want them to draft a QB and give Eli 1 more year... I'm not going to deny that...
2nd option would be to let Eli go and just give the rookie the reigns...
In both of those cases, of course, I want the Giants to be confident they are picking the right guy..
But if the Giants NEED to go get a stopgap not named Eli Manning.... give me Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Taylor, Carr, Tannehill..any of them... over Foles.
I'd rather Eli than any of them... I'd rather any of them over Foles.
2. He sucks.
So committing lots of money, for many years, to a shitty QB is probably the reason why people dont want him. But hey, lets take pot shots at posters! More fun that way...
For the record.. I agree with those reasons as well...
I just think personal relationships and legacy are more important than folks give credit... and I think John Mara feels the same way.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
Seriously. Signing Foles for anything >$10M per is iditioc. Trading assets to Philly and signing him to a deal worth >$20M per would force me into a hiatus at least until he's off the team.
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Offer Eli $10M a year to coach if you want him in the film room helping the young guy learn the ropes.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I'm all for letting Eli go now and giving a draft pick the reigns...
But I think you are underrating and misrepresenting Eli's role.
Eli isn't going to "train" a QB. Eli is going to go about his business, which is being one of the hardest working, most well prepared QBs ever. If we draft the right QB, he will understand how incredible that experience is and will do whatever he can to be a sponge and capture that knowledge.
Say what you want about 21 year old kids...point to his unpopularity w/ non NY Media and fans... Eli Manning has juice..especially with QBs and coaches around football.
We can't pay $17M in cap space simply to try to maintain an illusion that isn't fooling anyone. If that's what ends up happening it will be because the front office hasn't accepted a hard truth: no one in the NFL considers Eli a quality starting QB anymore.
It is "absurd" and "extremely novel" to not want to sign a guy for $20M who has been a pedestrian QB his entire career? Explain that to me. Better yet, explain to me how Foles is going to make the team better when we've seen several times where he has struggled running an offense, the start to this season included.
He is Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins with a ring and a SB MVP.
That precisely the shit you overpay for - just like if somebody were to give Joe Flacco a shitload of money - Oh wait, that happened too!!
If you poll the majority of Eagles fans, they'd rather have Wentz as their starter.
That's a pretty low bar for a supposed icon.
Maybe he'snot so much of an icon, as an emoji?
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
Fitz did that one time as a (hilarous) joke.
Thats not his real image. His real image is a family orientated Harvard man
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
😂😂😂