MORTENSEN: “And where he winds up, I think what the Eagles would like to see is something develop with the Jacksonville Jaguars, because John DeFilippo is now down there as the offensive coordinator. He was the Eagles’ quarterback coach a year ago when they won the Super Bowl. But Foles knows, and his representatives, that this is a business. He’s not going to play nice nice with the Eagles. They don’t want him to go to the Giants or the Redskins — although it was noted to me they let Donovan McNabb go to the Redskins one time and that didn’t hurt them — so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. But that’s the goal, is not to let him go inside the division, and the Jaguars being hopefully the team that gets him. And what do you think is the draft pick?
SCHEFTER: That’s what I was going to tell you, it sounds like it’s going to be a third-round draft pick. [That’s] what they’re looking for to get back for Nick Foles, a third.
The Redskins are going to give Foles roughly 20 million per as they pay Alex Smith his 16?
He likely blows and gets exposed away from the Eagles. Plus I’d rather the NYG identify a franchise QB currently in college who will help procure long term viable success. Spending premium $$ on a FA QB of Foles’ level is a recipe for failure.
RE: Eagles should try to trade him prior to franchise tag Â
Because they can't trade a player not under contract. The Mutual Option on the 2019 league year was picked up by the Eagles and Nick promptly declined by buying out of the contract.
Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
To a qb who has never started 16 games in a season, is pushing 30, and will be paid off of 2 games. This guy was mediocre at best to start 2018, such that the Eagles had to rush back Wentz. In the playoffs he was pedestrian. If you pay this guy, you are paying him off two games in one season.
with Foles in a nano second. Major upgrade and don't @ me.
Based on what? I really want to know how he’s a major upgrade. After the Saints eagles playoff game all I heard from people was how gutty and amazing foles was in this game. They scored 14 points!!!! That’s gutty and amazing?
Foles has played well with Philly. At times he’s been great. But the Philly defense and oline has been a bigger factor. I can’t believe there are people that truly believe foles will fix things with this giants team. He will only if the OL and defense are fixed.
Go young or go with Eli. If they dump all this loot into foles and dump Eli I’ll lose my shit.
Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
Almost every draft has the Giants taking Haskins at #6, but the irony as you note is that he may well be gone by then. Murray as well.
Florio is reporting that the Eagles plan to tag and trade Â
is against the CBA rules. The gist is that you can only tag if you intend to employ the player, not trade him.
He cites the CBA provision in article.
I don't know what is best for the Eagles, but what I do know is that if a division rival wants to do something, I would rather them not do it. And, of course, while I do not want Foles at the price he will command, if the Giants brass think he is the answer (I seriously doubt they do but if), then you have to have faith in them or what the heck are they there for. So, I hope Foles does what is best for him and prevents this abuse of the rules. Link - ( New Window )
We're getting them back for that shit they pulled with TC Â
and McAdoo that stupidly rushed the Giants through their process.
Feign interest in Foles, get them to tag the guy and move him for below market value.
Not that I don't think it's time to move on at QB, but you don't just move on in any old direction, there should be an actual plan. Nick Foles shouldn't be in that plan.
If Haskins is the real thing, he will not be there st 6. Murray might be a different story but in my opinion, his baseball ability makes him more of a gamble than his height. And, I don’t see the Giants trading down this year to get a QB. I think the team got screwed when Herbert decided to stay in college.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
How do they get a #3 if they let him go?
Compensatory pick. He'll likely be a top contract and warrant a compensatory third. It'd be a late third.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
This shouldn't matter to anyone.
I think signing him would be a mistake - but avoiding it for this reason isn't how teams should be operating.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
Stupid, truly stupid position to take.
I agree 100%. I'm not rooting for them to sign Foles, but I could see why he might be a target. And if he's wearing the blue laundry on Sunday, I'm rooting for him.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
I really don't understand why anyone would care about that. If Foles makes sense for the Giants, they should pursue him. If not, not. I wouldn't want any team I root for to based roster moves on other considerations. (I mean, if had a history like Ray Lewis or Greg Hardy, sure, stay away regardless of talent, but that's pretty extreme).
If he ends up on the Giants I'll cheer for him. If he's traded to the Â
Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
I don’t agree with the assumption that you have to pick top 3 to get a QB.
The teams in the market for a QB over the next year or two are gonna be picking in the bottom third (or lower) in the draft.
RE: If Foles makes sense for the Giants, they should pursue him. Â
I really don't understand why anyone would care about that. If Foles makes sense for the Giants, they should pursue him. If not, not. I wouldn't want any team I root for to based roster moves on other considerations. (I mean, if had a history like Ray Lewis or Greg Hardy, sure, stay away regardless of talent, but that's pretty extreme).
I agree with Mike about this. I just don't see how Foles makes sense for the Giants. He might be an upgrade over Eli, but not a big one, and he doesn't offer any cap relief. He's going to get a big contract from someone, and he hasn't proven that he's worth that kind of money over extended duty. Very up-and-down.
I'm tired of watching the Giants pile up losses, just like everyone else is, but I'd rather see them try to go for a great quarterback than settle for a pretty good quarterback. I'm always saying how valuable average players are (very!), but if you have an average quarterback you better have elite players all over the field on both offense and defense. I'd rather have a great quarterback who elevates the guys around him.
than they are right now. There are too many other areas of the team that need big time upgrades. So investing any real resources in him is a fool's game.
Go for the next QB in the 2020 draft. Yes, they are going to have to trade up to get the guy they want. Part of setting up for that should happen with this year's draft.
Oh, and trading a bundle of picks for a first round QB worked out pretty well the last time the GIANTS did it.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
No one cares. If we win games with him, no one will care even more.
It's the NFL. People jump teams all the time. Our coach has coached Foles to a record breaking year his first year as starter. I'm sure he would do fine here if that's the case.
If you can fix the QB problem going forward for about 5 years give or take, you can use the draft to solidify both lines.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
SCHEFTER: That’s what I was going to tell you, it sounds like it’s going to be a third-round draft pick. [That’s] what they’re looking for to get back for Nick Foles, a third.
The Redskins are going to give Foles roughly 20 million per as they pay Alex Smith his 16?
Stranger things have happened.
but $20-25 mil gamble for a third round pick return... maybe... doesnt strike me as good risk / reward
The Giants aren't cutting Eli for starters, and i really dont think they would be interested in Foles if he becomes a free agent.
Somebody threw out a "If the Yankees can sign Johnny Damon, then the Giants could sign Nick Foles"
Well... would the Yankees ever have cut Derek Jeter and replaced him with Damon?
That's the analogy.
Can't happen.
Because they can't trade a player not under contract. The Mutual Option on the 2019 league year was picked up by the Eagles and Nick promptly declined by buying out of the contract.
Foles only cost them 11M for the past two seasons, total....25M is nothing they could afford.......
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
Based on what? I really want to know how he’s a major upgrade. After the Saints eagles playoff game all I heard from people was how gutty and amazing foles was in this game. They scored 14 points!!!! That’s gutty and amazing?
Foles has played well with Philly. At times he’s been great. But the Philly defense and oline has been a bigger factor. I can’t believe there are people that truly believe foles will fix things with this giants team. He will only if the OL and defense are fixed.
Go young or go with Eli. If they dump all this loot into foles and dump Eli I’ll lose my shit.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
Almost every draft has the Giants taking Haskins at #6, but the irony as you note is that he may well be gone by then. Murray as well.
He cites the CBA provision in article.
I don't know what is best for the Eagles, but what I do know is that if a division rival wants to do something, I would rather them not do it. And, of course, while I do not want Foles at the price he will command, if the Giants brass think he is the answer (I seriously doubt they do but if), then you have to have faith in them or what the heck are they there for. So, I hope Foles does what is best for him and prevents this abuse of the rules.
Link - ( New Window )
Feign interest in Foles, get them to tag the guy and move him for below market value.
Not that I don't think it's time to move on at QB, but you don't just move on in any old direction, there should be an actual plan. Nick Foles shouldn't be in that plan.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
Stupid, truly stupid position to take.
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Afternoon guys: Interesting discussion. My understanding is that the major reason the Eagles are franchising Foles is to keep him away from the Giants. Fact is they'll get a #3 as compensation whether they trade him or let him go as a free agent. That in itself should tell people something. And Foles also isn't going to cost $20M per to sign. Part of the deal any team makes will be that he will have agreed to a long-term deal at considerably less. Its also possible that Foles says fine keep me at $20M or whatever and forces the Eagles to release him because that is going to kill their cap. And that's where the Giants might come into play.
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
How do they get a #3 if they let him go?
Compensatory pick. He'll likely be a top contract and warrant a compensatory third. It'd be a late third.
This shouldn't matter to anyone.
I think signing him would be a mistake - but avoiding it for this reason isn't how teams should be operating.
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You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
Stupid, truly stupid position to take.
I agree 100%. I'm not rooting for them to sign Foles, but I could see why he might be a target. And if he's wearing the blue laundry on Sunday, I'm rooting for him.
I really don't understand why anyone would care about that. If Foles makes sense for the Giants, they should pursue him. If not, not. I wouldn't want any team I root for to based roster moves on other considerations. (I mean, if had a history like Ray Lewis or Greg Hardy, sure, stay away regardless of talent, but that's pretty extreme).
Here's the other for the Giants. They need a new QB. It is all well and good to say they should draft one but whether it is this year or next year they are almost certainly going to have to trade up to get one of the best prospects at the position. It simply is the way the NFL works. If Haskins or Murray are any good they'll be going in the first 2-3 picks. Either that or you reach for a second-tier guy like Lock if you stay where you are.
So here are their choices over the next couple of years. 1) trade up to get an elite prospect in a deal that will cost you at least a couple of #1 picks and a #2 if not more. You'll have your QB but won't be able to do much more over the next couple of years at least in the draft; 2) stay where you are and take a 2nd tier QB prospect and cross your fingers as those guys have seldom worked out; or 3) sign a vet like Foles, invest your top picks in the OL and DL all the while keeping an eye out for a young QB if one comes along. That's the reality facing the Giants.
Of course its possible they go 2-14 in 2019 and end up with the top pick in 2020 but you just can't count on that. Should be an interesting couple of years.
I don’t agree with the assumption that you have to pick top 3 to get a QB.
The teams in the market for a QB over the next year or two are gonna be picking in the bottom third (or lower) in the draft.
I'm tired of watching the Giants pile up losses, just like everyone else is, but I'd rather see them try to go for a great quarterback than settle for a pretty good quarterback. I'm always saying how valuable average players are (very!), but if you have an average quarterback you better have elite players all over the field on both offense and defense. I'd rather have a great quarterback who elevates the guys around him.
Go for the next QB in the 2020 draft. Yes, they are going to have to trade up to get the guy they want. Part of setting up for that should happen with this year's draft.
Oh, and trading a bundle of picks for a first round QB worked out pretty well the last time the GIANTS did it.
No one cares. If we win games with him, no one will care even more.
It's the NFL. People jump teams all the time. Our coach has coached Foles to a record breaking year his first year as starter. I'm sure he would do fine here if that's the case.
It’s not just Eli. Our lines have been soft as tissue paper vs them on both sides. Until our lines improve, they will continue to own us.
Also, every time I think I see the stupidest comment on BBI, somebody comes up with one that makes me realize there's no shortage of stupidity. I don't know what Foles would cost if he were a free agent. But, if affordable, the Giants are not supposed to sign him because he had success with the Eagles? Someone should be embarrassed to post something like that.
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You really have no problem at all replacing our iconic future HOF QB, a guy who could not have been a better face of the franchise..with a guy who the Eagles have literally erected a statue of outside their stadium?? Like...really??
If he wins games, who gives a shit? You are going to freak out because the guy won the Eagles a Super Bowl?
Stupid, truly stupid position to take.
To each his own I guess..
I think it's stupid to want a rivals cult hero.