fall for this foolishness, I would question things and start to come around that we are a franchise without a plan or without a clue.
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
Seriously. Signing Foles for anything >$10M per is iditioc. Trading assets to Philly and signing him to a deal worth >$20M per would force me into a hiatus at least until he's off the team.
RE: RE: The Foles hate is directly proportional to the Eli love on this Board
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
1. Everything he has said points to him thinking he can still play.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I have been strongly suggesting they move on from Eli for years now
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
1. Everything he has said points to him thinking he can still play.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I'm all for letting Eli go now and giving a draft pick the reigns...
But I think you are underrating and misrepresenting Eli's role.
Eli isn't going to "train" a QB. Eli is going to go about his business, which is being one of the hardest working, most well prepared QBs ever. If we draft the right QB, he will understand how incredible that experience is and will do whatever he can to be a sponge and capture that knowledge.
Say what you want about 21 year old kids...point to his unpopularity w/ non NY Media and fans... Eli Manning has juice..especially with QBs and coaches around football.
But we already ARE starving at QB. It is not a mystery to anyone in the league. Everyone knows we may be in play for a QB at #6. There is no shock there whether Eli is on the roster or not.
We can't pay $17M in cap space simply to try to maintain an illusion that isn't fooling anyone. If that's what ends up happening it will be because the front office hasn't accepted a hard truth: no one in the NFL considers Eli a quality starting QB anymore.
Comes from QB royalty Eli? You mean kids that have played QB their whole lives, formative years are him taking down the GOAT in two superbowls? Lol yep totally walking in the door and giving him wedgies and stuffing him in a locker. Dwayne Haskins a life-long Giants fan doesn't give a shit about Eli. That may be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on here. I get your whole shtichk is hyperbole, but you should walk that one back.
does not wanting to sign Foles have to do with keeping Eli??
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That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
It is "absurd" and "extremely novel" to not want to sign a guy for $20M who has been a pedestrian QB his entire career? Explain that to me. Better yet, explain to me how Foles is going to make the team better when we've seen several times where he has struggled running an offense, the start to this season included.
He is Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins with a ring and a SB MVP.
That precisely the shit you overpay for - just like if somebody were to give Joe Flacco a shitload of money - Oh wait, that happened too!!
You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
Fitz did that one time as a (hilarous) joke.
Thats not his real image. His real image is a family orientated Harvard man
He was at a grocery store doing some shopping. I told him, if your thinking of teams to play for, don't rule out the Giants. He shook my hand and told me, "they're gonna get Foles" meaning the Giants.
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
He was at a grocery store doing some shopping. I told him, if your thinking of teams to play for, don't rule out the Giants. He shook my hand and told me, "they're gonna get Foles" meaning the Giants.
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
That's how horrific of an idea it would be to sign Foles.
Seriously. Signing Foles for anything >$10M per is iditioc. Trading assets to Philly and signing him to a deal worth >$20M per would force me into a hiatus at least until he's off the team.
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Offer Eli $10M a year to coach if you want him in the film room helping the young guy learn the ropes.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
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In comment 14290034 WillieYoung said:
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
2. $17M is a lot of cap space to give up for a mentor.
3. We're probably throwing the season away based on the results in previous years.
4. A 21 year old kid doesn't give a shit about Eli Manning.
The strategy, the timing, the cost...none of it makes sense.
I'm all for letting Eli go now and giving a draft pick the reigns...
But I think you are underrating and misrepresenting Eli's role.
Eli isn't going to "train" a QB. Eli is going to go about his business, which is being one of the hardest working, most well prepared QBs ever. If we draft the right QB, he will understand how incredible that experience is and will do whatever he can to be a sponge and capture that knowledge.
Say what you want about 21 year old kids...point to his unpopularity w/ non NY Media and fans... Eli Manning has juice..especially with QBs and coaches around football.
We can't pay $17M in cap space simply to try to maintain an illusion that isn't fooling anyone. If that's what ends up happening it will be because the front office hasn't accepted a hard truth: no one in the NFL considers Eli a quality starting QB anymore.
It is "absurd" and "extremely novel" to not want to sign a guy for $20M who has been a pedestrian QB his entire career? Explain that to me. Better yet, explain to me how Foles is going to make the team better when we've seen several times where he has struggled running an offense, the start to this season included.
He is Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins with a ring and a SB MVP.
That precisely the shit you overpay for - just like if somebody were to give Joe Flacco a shitload of money - Oh wait, that happened too!!
If you poll the majority of Eagles fans, they'd rather have Wentz as their starter.
That's a pretty low bar for a supposed icon.
Maybe he'snot so much of an icon, as an emoji?
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In comment 14290079 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14290034 WillieYoung said:
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You draft a QB with the sixth pick, you probably keep Eli and even start him for a chunk of the season. You sign Foles and Eli's gone within 24 hours. That's what all the absurd posts coming up with extremely novel reasons not to sign Foles are really about.
Personally, I would draft a QB if the front office finds one they like. I'd rather take a chance at fixing our QB problem for 15 years, rather than have a decent shot at fixing it for 7 or 8.
Jokes aside, if the Giants were to move and get Foles, I think the gameplan would be to pass on a QB this year and use the picks to help the defense. In 2020, the Giants would then go after the deeper crop of QBs, with the eye on starting one of them in 2021. Foles would be a 2-3 year option. So you are really talking about a bridge of time longer than what Eli realistically has left.
The easiest thing for the Giants, if sold on Haskins and he's available, is to draft him this year and he sits behind Eli. If the Giants have another 0-4 start, Eli takes a seat and the Haskins' era starts. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job and Haskins holds a clipboard. It's the Alex Smith scenario in 2017.
Why not just release Eli now and go with the draft pick? Get him experience out of the gate AND have an extra $17M to spend on the team to help him out.
Because the draft pick isn't assured? You release Eli before the roster bonus, and you are telegraphing to the rest of the league that the Giants are going QB at #6. You are forcing Dave to shop for groceries hungry.
Now, paying Eli his roster bonus provides some insurance in the event the draft doesn't fall the way DG would like. If everything aligns with getting a QB at #6, then they can release Eli and still save his salary. For what purpose, I don't know as the FA cupboard will be bare at the beginning of May, but if it makes some feel better than go ahead and jettison the Mensch.
I know you will retort that we could always sign a stop gap like Fitz-magic. But whenever I read that suggestion, it makes me wonder if anyone actually follows this team. Mara is not going to sign off on the face of a franchise to clown around with his 70's man-pelt peeking out of a sweatsuit with mirrored glasses in front of the microphone. Call it old, conservative, or stodgy, but it just is not happening with the NY Football Giants.
Fitz did that one time as a (hilarous) joke.
Thats not his real image. His real image is a family orientated Harvard man
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
I asked if he heard something, he put his finger to his lips. Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but that's what I heard.
That's what he told me.
GO BIG BLUE!
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