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jeff57 : 2/6/2019 4:33 pm
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Clears $2.5 million  
jeff57 : 2/6/2019 4:36 pm : link
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Expected and smart move  
Rjanyg : 2/6/2019 4:39 pm : link
Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?
Jonathan  
kennyd : 2/6/2019 4:40 pm : link
we hardly knew ye.
RE: Expected and smart move  
The_Boss : 2/6/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14289208 Rjanyg said:
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Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?


Jackrabbit or Vernon?
I'm guessing if OV  
Beer Man : 2/6/2019 4:54 pm : link
is cut loose, the team is probably not going QB in round-1, and will probably grab a premium ER.
RE: RE: Expected and smart move  
Beer Man : 2/6/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14289215 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14289208 Rjanyg said:


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Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?



Jackrabbit or Vernon?
The team has already made a number of holes on the D, I can't see them cutting both as it will leave too many additional holes on the D (2-ERs, 2-CB, 2-Safeties, and possibly a LB)
RE: RE: RE: Expected and smart move  
rich in DC : 2/6/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14289223 Beer Man said:
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In comment 14289215 The_Boss said:


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In comment 14289208 Rjanyg said:


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Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?



Jackrabbit or Vernon?

The team has already made a number of holes on the D, I can't see them cutting both as it will leave too many additional holes on the D (2-ERs, 2-CB, 2-Safeties, and possibly a LB)


This line of thinking is not really thinking.

The defense didn't stop anyone this year- even when scoring 30+ a game, they would still lose. Cut loose guys who aren't performing up to their contract and get some new blood in to see what happens. If they keep the current crew, well...what is the definition of insanity again?
RE: I'm guessing if OV  
M.S. : 2/6/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14289222 Beer Man said:
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is cut loose, the team is probably not going QB in round-1, and will probably grab a premium ER.


Yea, but... the premium edge rushers Nick Bosa, Josh Allen and Rashawn Gary may already be gone!
Ahhhhh, Jonathan Stewart  
Mike from Ohio : 2/6/2019 5:30 pm : link
We'll always have that 2 yard run in the preseason. Nobody can take that away from us.
RE: Ahhhhh, Jonathan Stewart  
mrvax : 2/6/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14289251 Mike from Ohio said:
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We'll always have that 2 yard run in the preseason. Nobody can take that away from us.


Heck Mike, he had 6 carries for 17 yards, even 1 run for 5!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Expected and smart move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/6/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14289227 rich in DC said:
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In comment 14289223 Beer Man said:


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In comment 14289215 The_Boss said:


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In comment 14289208 Rjanyg said:


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Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?



Jackrabbit or Vernon?

The team has already made a number of holes on the D, I can't see them cutting both as it will leave too many additional holes on the D (2-ERs, 2-CB, 2-Safeties, and possibly a LB)



This line of thinking is not really thinking.

The defense didn't stop anyone this year- even when scoring 30+ a game, they would still lose. Cut loose guys who aren't performing up to their contract and get some new blood in to see what happens. If they keep the current crew, well...what is the definition of insanity again?


throw things at the wall and see what happens isn't exactly 'thinking' either.
That will bring the cap space  
superspynyg : 2/6/2019 6:16 pm : link
To over 28 million. CHA-CHING!
RE: RE: Expected and smart move  
superspynyg : 2/6/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14289215 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14289208 Rjanyg said:


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Barwin now Stewart. Who is next?

Martin would be nice save 1.6 mil more.



Jackrabbit or Vernon?
RE: I'm guessing if OV  
TMS : 2/6/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14289222 Beer Man said:
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is cut loose, the team is probably not going QB in round-1, and will probably grab a premium ER.
Good guess. Hope you are right.
One thing I think most of us have learned is that DG isn't inclined to  
Ira : 2/6/2019 6:35 pm : link
repeat his mistakes. If a player he signs doesn't produce, he let's him go. That may not seem like much, but it's a step up from his predecessor.
.  
Stan in LA : 2/6/2019 6:52 pm : link
can't wait to see  
Enzo : 2/6/2019 7:48 pm : link
who Gettleman wastes money on this year!
RE: One thing I think most of us have learned is that DG isn't inclined to  
uther99 : 2/6/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14289296 Ira said:
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repeat his mistakes. If a player he signs doesn't produce, he let's him go. That may not seem like much, but it's a step up from his predecessor.


It was horrible contract from the start, 3.5 million for Stewart? Everyone knew it but DG
Why all the handwringing for a bottom of the roster guy  
Jimmy Googs : 2/6/2019 9:09 pm : link
that made up very little of the salary cap? Every team has signings like this every year and some work out and some donít. Threads regarding DG and his signings and draftings should be balanced and not just one sided to criticism.

Letís please focus on things that mattter. This doesnít mattter.
RE: Why all the handwringing for a bottom of the roster guy  
bw in dc : 2/6/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14289417 Jimmy Googs said:
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that made up very little of the salary cap? Every team has signings like this every year and some work out and some donít. Threads regarding DG and his signings and draftings should be balanced and not just one sided to criticism.

Letís please focus on things that mattter. This doesnít mattter.


It is astonishing how much interest this generates.

This is like prioritizing fixing your dented mailbox over fixing your broken refrigerator.
RE: Why all the handwringing for a bottom of the roster guy  
arcarsenal : 2/6/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14289417 Jimmy Googs said:
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that made up very little of the salary cap? Every team has signings like this every year and some work out and some donít. Threads regarding DG and his signings and draftings should be balanced and not just one sided to criticism.

Letís please focus on things that mattter. This doesnít mattter.


Someone's been thinking about me quite a bit!
Seems like Stewart's on your mind otherwise you wouldn't  
Jimmy Googs : 2/6/2019 9:56 pm : link
have come onto the thread. He doesn't matter at this point so not sure why the bother.

Unless of course its something else...
RE: Jonathan  
Bronson : 2/7/2019 4:43 am : link
In comment 14289211 kennyd said:
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we hardly knew ye.


It was a bad signing by DG.
I hope some of you arent this miserable in real life  
Brown Recluse : 2/7/2019 8:08 am : link
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Where were all these people so willing to wave off GM mistakes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2019 8:46 am : link
as 'nothing' when Jerry Reese was around.
Wait..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 8:49 am : link
Reese didn't get praise here? How about In Reese We Trust??

The difference that is starting to show between the two GM's is that one seems fine moving along from mistakes or poor signings, while the other one was more reluctant which compounded the problem.

That doesn't excuse having the poor judgement in the first place, but there is something to be said from recognizing it and changing course.

Reese's failure to change course too many times is what led us from being a SB team to a poor one. Sticking with failed draft picks and poor FA's too long is the main driver on why we are where we have been.
They were around....  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2019 9:15 am : link
from about 2007 to 2012.
Pitchforks  
Harvest Blend : 2/7/2019 9:29 am : link
back in the shed.
RE: Pitchforks  
Britt in VA : 2/7/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14289620 Harvest Blend said:
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back in the shed.


No, they just point somewhere else.
RE: RE: Pitchforks  
Harvest Blend : 2/7/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14289621 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14289620 Harvest Blend said:


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back in the shed.



No, they just point somewhere else.


Fair enough.
RE: Where were all these people so willing to wave off GM mistakes  
Brown Recluse : 2/7/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14289570 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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as 'nothing' when Jerry Reese was around.


Typically (and you can apply this to most areas of life) you give people in a new position the benefit of doubt until they display a pattern of making the same mistakes repeatedly.

Reese got the benefit of doubt for years.
Clearly our locker room  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/7/2019 10:19 am : link
Will turn into a mess again without his leadership.
RE: Seems like Stewart's on your mind otherwise you wouldn't  
arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14289431 Jimmy Googs said:
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have come onto the thread. He doesn't matter at this point so not sure why the bother.

Unless of course its something else...


Hah, no he's not "on my mind" - it's Giants news and I just wanted to see what the details were.

It's actually pinned at the top of the forum. Not really much of a search to be done here.

I know now that he and Barwin are gone, there will be less opportunity for you to perform your act here each day, but I'm sure you'll find a new trivial pain point to hitch your wagon to next.

I eagerly await it!
if it weren't for the salary/contract  
fkap : 2/7/2019 10:29 am : link
no one would have blinked an eye.

as it was, the contract was not a cap killer. But, it was far more than pocket change, ranking just behind the monster cap hit players and well above the typical bottom of the roster players.

He showed no sign of life prior to going on IR.

Hence the derision.
Wtf lol diehard Reese cultists  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/7/2019 10:34 am : link
To his credit he never signed a bbi universally disliked wtf signing like Stewart. Although I personally disliked Marshall, Jennings and Verdeen signings.
RE: Wtf lol diehard Reese cultists  
arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14289719 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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To his credit he never signed a bbi universally disliked wtf signing like Stewart. Although I personally disliked Marshall, Jennings and Verdeen signings.


Yeah, Verdeen was the worst!
Reese never signed someone universally disliked?  
giants#1 : 2/7/2019 11:17 am : link
A few of these guys were damn close:
Baas
Schwartz
Harris
Jennings
Vereen
Jerry (twice!)
Herzlich
Ayers
Beason (followed by the restructure!)
JD Walton
etc
RE: Reese never signed someone universally disliked?  
arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14289803 giants#1 said:
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A few of these guys were damn close:
Baas
Schwartz
Harris
Jennings
Vereen
Jerry (twice!)
Herzlich
Ayers
Beason (followed by the restructure!)
JD Walton
etc


You left off my favorite one - Brandon Myers! The ultimate garbage time TE.

I'm not sure I disliked many Giants as much as that guy.
there were so many  
giants#1 : 2/7/2019 11:22 am : link
I stopped going back!

Who was that awful S he signed?
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arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 11:26 am : link
CC Brown? (There were a few... haha) But I think he was the worst one.
RE: Wait..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14289576 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Reese didn't get praise here? How about In Reese We Trust??

The difference that is starting to show between the two GM's is that one seems fine moving along from mistakes or poor signings, while the other one was more reluctant which compounded the problem.

That doesn't excuse having the poor judgement in the first place, but there is something to be said from recognizing it and changing course.

Reese's failure to change course too many times is what led us from being a SB team to a poor one. Sticking with failed draft picks and poor FA's too long is the main driver on why we are where we have been.

I've asked this before, but who were these free agents and draft picks that stuck around too long?

When you think of the worst free agent signings reese made, how long were they here?

What crappy rookies got second contracts? We're kind of making a sin out of allowing rookies to play out their contracts, which Accorsi did in spades.
RE: RE: Wait..  
giants#1 : 2/7/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14289818 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14289576 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Reese didn't get praise here? How about In Reese We Trust??

The difference that is starting to show between the two GM's is that one seems fine moving along from mistakes or poor signings, while the other one was more reluctant which compounded the problem.

That doesn't excuse having the poor judgement in the first place, but there is something to be said from recognizing it and changing course.

Reese's failure to change course too many times is what led us from being a SB team to a poor one. Sticking with failed draft picks and poor FA's too long is the main driver on why we are where we have been.


I've asked this before, but who were these free agents and draft picks that stuck around too long?

When you think of the worst free agent signings reese made, how long were they here?

What crappy rookies got second contracts? We're kind of making a sin out of allowing rookies to play out their contracts, which Accorsi did in spades.


Flowers stayed too long, though that was somewhat understandable.

Hart inexplicably overstayed his welcome (many 7th rounders don't make it 1 year)

Beason

Herzlich

JPP was a great player, but they should've moved on after the incident
RE: .  
giants#1 : 2/7/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14289817 arcarsenal said:
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CC Brown? (There were a few... haha) But I think he was the worst one.


Yes, that's who I was thinking of (unfortunately).
TTH...Brewer  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2019 11:51 am : link
is one who gave Reese Scholarships its nameplate, others across the OL too

To arc's reply as to the most hated FA/signings, I think the Beason re-signing ranks high, very high
RE: RE: RE: Wait..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14289859 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14289818 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 14289576 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Reese didn't get praise here? How about In Reese We Trust??

The difference that is starting to show between the two GM's is that one seems fine moving along from mistakes or poor signings, while the other one was more reluctant which compounded the problem.

That doesn't excuse having the poor judgement in the first place, but there is something to be said from recognizing it and changing course.

Reese's failure to change course too many times is what led us from being a SB team to a poor one. Sticking with failed draft picks and poor FA's too long is the main driver on why we are where we have been.


I've asked this before, but who were these free agents and draft picks that stuck around too long?

When you think of the worst free agent signings reese made, how long were they here?

What crappy rookies got second contracts? We're kind of making a sin out of allowing rookies to play out their contracts, which Accorsi did in spades.



Flowers stayed too long, though that was somewhat understandable.

Hart inexplicably overstayed his welcome (many 7th rounders don't make it 1 year)

Beason

Herzlich

JPP was a great player, but they should've moved on after the incident


What was the impact of a 7th round pick staying on the roster for 2 seasons? This seems like making a mountain of a molehill.

Herzlich was a special teams player, and he was good at his job. That one doesn't fit here.

re: Hart  
giants#1 : 2/7/2019 12:42 pm : link
He stuck with the Giants for 3 seasons, not 2. The problem was that he sucked and Reese had him penciled in as the starting RT for 2 of those seasons.
RE: Reese never signed someone universally disliked?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/7/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14289803 giants#1 said:
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A few of these guys were damn close:
Baas
Schwartz
Harris
Jennings
Vereen
Jerry (twice!)
Herzlich
Ayers
Beason (followed by the restructure!)
JD Walton
etc

Someone like Schwartz wasn't universally disliked at the time of the signing, most of our reactions were Who? Most of those reactions were mixed at the time of signing.

Lol I forgot about Beason trade and resigning, a psychological self defense mechanism against trauma.
RE: One thing I think most of us have learned is that DG isn't inclined to  
santacruzom : 2/7/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14289296 Ira said:
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repeat his mistakes. If a player he signs doesn't produce, he let's him go. That may not seem like much, but it's a step up from his predecessor.


That's doesn't indicate he doesn't repeat mistakes -- it just suggests he doesn't prolong their impact. He may indeed make another Stewart-esque signing this offseason.
RE: if it weren't for the salary/contract  
santacruzom : 2/7/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14289709 fkap said:
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no one would have blinked an eye.

as it was, the contract was not a cap killer. But, it was far more than pocket change, ranking just behind the monster cap hit players and well above the typical bottom of the roster players.

He showed no sign of life prior to going on IR.

Hence the derision.


I was simply confused not only by the amount of the contract, but by how unnecessary that amount likely was. Do we have reason to believe another team was close to that contract? And if a team was, did we really need Stewart enough to outbid them?

It's not the signing so much as what it represents that worries me, and I just hope we don't see another remotely like it.
RE: re: Hart  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14289974 giants#1 said:
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He stuck with the Giants for 3 seasons, not 2. The problem was that he sucked and Reese had him penciled in as the starting RT for 2 of those seasons.



He played 33 career games as a Giant. That's 2 seasons worth of work plus 1 game.
Since when does the GM set the depth chart? That's coaching.

RE: RE: Seems like Stewart's on your mind otherwise you wouldn't  
Jimmy Googs : 2/7/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14289707 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14289431 Jimmy Googs said:


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have come onto the thread. He doesn't matter at this point so not sure why the bother.

Unless of course its something else...



Hah, no he's not "on my mind" - it's Giants news and I just wanted to see what the details were.

It's actually pinned at the top of the forum. Not really much of a search to be done here.

I know now that he and Barwin are gone, there will be less opportunity for you to perform your act here each day, but I'm sure you'll find a new trivial pain point to hitch your wagon to next.

I eagerly await it!


Yeah right, sounds genuine.

Nevertheless I think i clearly found my new trivial pain point to focus on...
RE: RE: One thing I think most of us have learned is that DG isn't inclined to  
Jimmy Googs : 2/7/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14290043 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14289296 Ira said:


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repeat his mistakes. If a player he signs doesn't produce, he let's him go. That may not seem like much, but it's a step up from his predecessor.



That's doesn't indicate he doesn't repeat mistakes -- it just suggests he doesn't prolong their impact. He may indeed make another Stewart-esque signing this offseason.


arc thinks he will because GMs all need to fill the bottom of their rosters. Therefore they all make these mistakes.

Move onto something that matters.
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