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GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 5:51 pm
Amazing 2 great players on Offense and somehow the Giants struggle to score points
Iím of the opinion that if the Giants can get a top young QB they will be 1 of the best Offense in the NFL .. Iím sure QBs will be very interested in playing with these 2 super stars not to mention Engram and Shep as more than capable supporting players
You can dump Eli and that ridiculous cap # and spend that money on other areas of the team, this franchise can set themselves up for sustained success...... makes to much sense
The Giants scored the most points of any team in  
Don in DC : 2/6/2019 5:55 pm : link
the NFC East this year. Look it up.

After a very week first half of the season, the offense was fine down the stretch. The defense, however, sucked.

So, I don't think it's fair to say that the offense was bad this season. The first half? Yes. But after the bye, they did pretty darn well. Plenty well enough for the team to win some games. Problem is the defense couldn't stop anyone.
It like people donít watch games  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 5:58 pm : link
Once Solder got healthy and Brown came on board... we averaged nearly 28 points per game over the last 8 games. Which included a zero in a downpour.

Itís amazing how people donít realize how bad Omameh and Flowers were. Once the line stabilized to at least average... our offense scored a lot of points.

But for those who are curious... this post is to take a shot at specific player(s) instead of the entire unit.
RE: The Giants scored the most points of any team in  
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14289265 Don in DC said:
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the NFC East this year. Look it up.

After a very week first half of the season, the offense was fine down the stretch. The defense, however, sucked.

So, I don't think it's fair to say that the offense was bad this season. The first half? Yes. But after the bye, they did pretty darn well. Plenty well enough for the team to win some games. Problem is the defense couldn't stop anyone.

They did better after starting 1-7 or whatever it was..
A fully competent OL  
Mike in Boston : 2/6/2019 6:05 pm : link
will be far more beneficial that a rookie QB whoever he is. See first half of season compared to the second, when we had an OL that was at least close to competent

As will a couple more major play-makers on D.

I'd be perfectly happy to see us use the #1 on a future QB, but Eli will still be more productive next year.
Eli will be better next year is fools gold  
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 6:19 pm : link
They told us that after the 2017 season Eli will be better next year it was all Mcadoo fault blah blah yes a guy going into year whatever after 2 straight pedestrian seasons will be better yada yada ....
Sure the Giants scored a lot of points but somehow won 5 games, I bet you that defense and OL would look a lot better with some of the valuable cap dollars you save by ridding yourself of Manning
How soon will Dwayne Haskins be a better NFL QB then Eli Manning ..... Hmmm Iím guessing year 2 ..... latest
The Giants scored the most points in the NFC east, the biggest  
SterlingArcher : 2/6/2019 6:25 pm : link
problem they had was stopping teams in the 4th quarter! No young qb is going to help getting stops on 3rd down in the 4th quarter!
The fallacy that Eli's money can be spent elsewhere this year  
BillT : 2/6/2019 6:40 pm : link
You can't cut Eli until you have drafted his replacement by which time all the top FA will have signed.
Vernon made the list at 70  
adamg : 2/6/2019 6:43 pm : link
Not sure why he wasn't included in this thread already... well, excepting the vast amount of people who seem to have a stick up their ass about him...
RE: Eli will be better next year is fools gold  
Mike in Boston : 2/6/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14289282 GoBlue6599 said:
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They told us that after the 2017 season Eli will be better next year it was all Mcadoo fault blah blah yes a guy going into year whatever after 2 straight pedestrian seasons will be better yada yada ....
Sure the Giants scored a lot of points but somehow won 5 games, I bet you that defense and OL would look a lot better with some of the valuable cap dollars you save by ridding yourself of Manning
How soon will Dwayne Haskins be a better NFL QB then Eli Manning ..... Hmmm Iím guessing year 2 ..... latest


Year two is perfectly reasonable. In which case it makes sense to play Eli in year 1. This issue is not will Eli be better? He is what he has been for years. It is will the offense be better? QB play was far down the list of Giants' problems this year, which were the OL and every level of the D.
People  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 7:09 pm : link
This threads sole purpose is to shit on Eli.

When will you guys learn?
RE: People  
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 7:24 pm : link
In comment 14289327 dep026 said:
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This threads sole purpose is to shit on Eli.

When will you guys learn?

Who the hell are you? The mommy of the message board? These people are grown they donít need you to tell them what topic they want to discuss.. Either add something or beat it chump
PFF  
uther99 : 2/6/2019 7:27 pm : link
is crap, half the board knows it
RE: RE: People  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14289338 GoBlue6599 said:
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In comment 14289327 dep026 said:


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This threads sole purpose is to shit on Eli.

When will you guys learn?


Who the hell are you?


I am dep026. How are you? Care to share all your dupes? Or too much of a wuss to admit you have been banned many times over?
RE: The fallacy that Eli's money can be spent elsewhere this year  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14289303 BillT said:
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You can't cut Eli until you have drafted his replacement by which time all the top FA will have signed.


This logic the OP canít, wonít, and refuses to understand. But 100 more of these topics. YAY!!!!
RE: The fallacy that Eli's money can be spent elsewhere this year  
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14289303 BillT said:
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You can't cut Eli until you have drafted his replacement by which time all the top FA will have signed.

Says who? Where is this written in stone? I would cut Eli and sign Ryan Fitzpatrick as a stopgap.. With Odell and Saquon Iím sure he can win you 5 games too at a fraction of the cost
RE: RE: RE: People  
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14289341 dep026 said:
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In comment 14289338 GoBlue6599 said:


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In comment 14289327 dep026 said:


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This threads sole purpose is to shit on Eli.

When will you guys learn?


Who the hell are you?



I am dep026. How are you? Care to share all your dupes? Or too much of a wuss to admit you have been banned many times over?

IDK WTF youíre talking about. You think Iím here to banter back and forth with you? Iím here to talk Giants football with other fanatics. Add something or get the hell out of here
I did add something  
dep026 : 2/6/2019 8:28 pm : link
PFF grades are fucking stupid and this thread is an agenda ridden.

Itís better to move along. Happy now?
wait, you guys aren't pissed off at the obvious?  
SHO'NUFF : 2/6/2019 9:00 pm : link
there are 26 players better than Saquon? in what universe?
RE: Vernon made the list at 70  
SHO'NUFF : 2/6/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14289307 adamg said:
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Not sure why he wasn't included in this thread already... well, excepting the vast amount of people who seem to have a stick up their ass about him...


Saquon at 27...OV at 70? these rankings are as legitimate as Pro Bowl voting.
RE: Eli will be better next year is fools gold  
18E : 2/6/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14289282 GoBlue6599 said:
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They told us that after the 2017 season Eli will be better next year it was all Mcadoo fault blah blah yes a guy going into year whatever after 2 straight pedestrian seasons will be better yada yada ....
Sure the Giants scored a lot of points but somehow won 5 games, I bet you that defense and OL would look a lot better with some of the valuable cap dollars you save by ridding yourself of Manning
How soon will Dwayne Haskins be a better NFL QB then Eli Manning ..... Hmmm Iím guessing year 2 ..... latest


Take a walk asshole.
RE: I did add something  
allstarjim : 2/7/2019 1:15 am : link
In comment 14289395 dep026 said:
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PFF grades are fucking stupid and this thread is an agenda ridden.

Itís better to move along. Happy now?


6599... probably a birthday. 19 years old, brain hasn't fully formed yet...not his fault, dep.
Eli is not going to get better  
CardinalX : 2/7/2019 2:46 am : link
and his replacement likely will not survive without a decent offensive line. sure a mobile qb can run around a bit. extend some plays. get lucky and complete some passes or run for a few yards that Eli wouldnt have gotten. but we don't have that replacement now do we? and we have sunk money into Eli already. Gettleman is making an effort to build an o line. it may be too little too late for Eli. but its not Eli's fault. he's always been a statue of a qb that needs time for routes to develop. its on Reese etc who seriously dropped the ball for several years by not addressing the o line in an appropriate way for the qb running the offense. hell, not only did they have a shitty line.... but there were times when we didn't even have a FB on the roster????
Iím at the point now where  
Dave on the UWS : 2/7/2019 5:37 am : link
I think I would roll with Vernon and Jenkins for 1 more year. Thereís so many holes on this team opening 2 more just compounds the problem. iF healthy, thereís a known and acceptable performance level from both. FA and the draft are crapshoots. Next year you move on from them and Eli.
RE: The Giants scored the most points of any team in  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/7/2019 7:19 am : link
In comment 14289265 Don in DC said:
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the NFC East this year. Look it up.


This continues to be a misleading stat.

The Cowboys offense was constipated all year.
The Eagles started Foles, then rushed Wentz back when Foles wasn't playing well enough, who also didn't play great.
The Redskins never got out of the gate.

It wasn't a great year for offense in the division.
RE: A fully competent OL  
gmenatlarge : 2/7/2019 8:55 am : link
In comment 14289273 Mike in Boston said:
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will be far more beneficial that a rookie QB whoever he is. See first half of season compared to the second, when we had an OL that was at least close to competent

As will a couple more major play-makers on D.

I'd be perfectly happy to see us use the #1 on a future QB, but Eli will still be more productive next year.


It's amazing they start a thread on offense but only mention skill players...It's the O-line, stupid!!!!
That's tempered by the fact, that,  
Doomster : 2/7/2019 9:16 am : link
The Giants scored the most points of any team in
Don in DC : 2/6/2019 5:55 pm : link : reply
the NFC East this year. Look it up.

After a very week first half of the season, the offense was fine down the stretch. The defense, however, sucked.



The schedule was much harder in the first half than the second, and playing against a run of b/u qb's in the second half helped....Wash and Philly lost their QB's, and Dallas's OL struggled this year....

DG completely misjudged Flowers and Omameh......you could see it in preseason.....yet they trotted those guys out there anyways....when you replace crap with less crap, you will be better, and we didn't do it at the start of the season....

A lot of BBI thinks Bettcher did a good job, with what he had....I don't...
What does teams playing  
dep026 : 2/7/2019 9:27 am : link
backup QBs have to do with our offense scoring points?

The Bucs put up 35
The 49ers put up 23
The Bears put up 27

We put up 27 against Luck and the Colts away when they were battling for a playoff spot.
We put up 35 against Dallas when they played their entire defense.

So one game against the Skins, where they were healthy defensively - where we could put up over 50 if we wanted too.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 9:52 am : link
Isn't this true??

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Eli will be better next year is fools gold
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 6:19 pm : link : reply
They told us that after the 2017 season Eli will be better next year it was all Mcadoo fault blah blah


So eli was worse in 2018 than the year before? By what metric?
And the prerequisite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 9:56 am : link
comment about PFF:

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Most recently, Minnesota Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer talked at the NFL owners meetings about his views on the validity of the siteís player grades.


"PFF comes up on player rankings, and I shake my head. I have a hard time with people grading my players who don't know what they're doing and don't know what my players are supposed to be doing"
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 9:58 am : link
I actually like this description better:

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Pro Football Focus grading NFL players with game film being their only resource is like Guy Fieri disliking a cheeseburger without even tasting it and because it looks like a walrus wearing a tutu.
Whoop dee doo 23 against the 49ers  
GoBlue6599 : 2/7/2019 10:02 am : link
Against the Bears and Bucs the Giants got gifts from backup QBs. They did this they did that blah blah they won 5 games last season and 3 the year before that.. multiple coaches players one common denominator
The Giants can get similar QB play for a fraction of the cost and then make smart signings all over the roster theyíd be in a lot better shape, itís clear as day to almost everyone
Whoop dee doo 23 against the 49ers  
GoBlue6599 : 2/7/2019 10:03 am : link
Against the Bears and Bucs the Giants got gifts from backup QBs. They did this they did that blah blah they won 5 games last season and 3 the year before that.. multiple coaches players one common denominator
The Giants can get similar QB play for a fraction of the cost and then make smart signings all over the roster theyíd be in a lot better shape, itís clear as day to almost everyone
RE: LOL..  
GoBlue6599 : 2/7/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14289652 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Isn't this true??



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Eli will be better next year is fools gold
GoBlue6599 : 2/6/2019 6:19 pm : link : reply
They told us that after the 2017 season Eli will be better next year it was all Mcadoo fault blah blah



So eli was worse in 2018 than the year before? By what metric?

No no he was fine in 2018 really 19 TD passes and a middle of the pack scoring offense that features 2 of the best weapons in the NFL.. how many games did they win, how about the division? When was the last time they won that and Eliís cap hit next season is what? Pure Insanity
So in other words..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 10:37 am : link
you don't have a metric.

To paraphrase, "blah, blah, blah"

Awesomeness
RE: The Giants scored the most points of any team in  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/7/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14289265 Don in DC said:
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the NFC East this year. Look it up.

After a very week first half of the season, the offense was fine down the stretch. The defense, however, sucked.

So, I don't think it's fair to say that the offense was bad this season. The first half? Yes. But after the bye, they did pretty darn well. Plenty well enough for the team to win some games. Problem is the defense couldn't stop anyone.

Lol bbi the official Eli h8ers forum. Having said that could we get a better ROI considering salary versus production? Possible I guess, but can I also get Elizabeth Hurley dancing in a bikini in my living room?
RE: Iím at the point now where  
RinR : 2/7/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14289505 Dave on the UWS said:
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I think I would roll with Vernon and Jenkins for 1 more year. Thereís so many holes on this team opening 2 more just compounds the problem. iF healthy, thereís a known and acceptable performance level from both. FA and the draft are crapshoots. Next year you move on from them and Eli.


I agree with this.

It's borderline mind-boggling to me that some want to create more holes and needs by letting guys like, Vernon, Jenkins and Collins go. As if DG doesnt have enough holes to fill.
RE: Whoop dee doo 23 against the 49ers  
dep026 : 2/7/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14289667 GoBlue6599 said:
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Against the Bears and Bucs the Giants got gifts from backup QBs. They did this they did that blah blah they won 5 games last season and 3 the year before that.. multiple coaches players one common denominator
The Giants can get similar QB play for a fraction of the cost and then make smart signings all over the roster theyíd be in a lot better shape, itís clear as day to almost everyone


The 49ers scored 23 from their backup QB einstein. How about getting some facts straight before spouting incoherent nonsense.

They got gifts from backup QBs. Oh ok. Gotcha. Great insight. Woodshop stats soon buddy. Dont be late for class.
And what the hell  
RinR : 2/7/2019 11:32 am : link
does playing against backup QBs have to do with how many points the offense scored?

I keep reading that but I don't remember any of those QBs playing D.
'and somehow the Giants struggle to score points'...  
Torrag : 2/7/2019 11:37 am : link
That happens when you can't actually block anyone. Here endeth the lesson.
I'm not saying Eli is perfect or without fault  
BSIMatt : 2/7/2019 11:58 am : link
but in the early going it was clear that the Achilles heel of the offense was the line. It was atrocious. As the line improved the teams ability to score points improved. Also, it would help to have Beckham on the field for 16 games, as well as Engram.
RE: And what the hell  
bradshaw44 : 2/7/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14289836 RinR said:
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does playing against backup QBs have to do with how many points the offense scored?

I keep reading that but I don't remember any of those QBs playing D.


Was about to post the same thing. So that was the Bears offense that our offense was moving up and down the field on I suppose.
RE: And what the hell  
GoBlue6599 : 2/7/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14289836 RinR said:
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does playing against backup QBs have to do with how many points the offense scored?

I keep reading that but I don't remember any of those QBs playing D.

The Giants beat teams who were playing the backup that gave them gift turnovers.. it helped out the Offense immensely, Here is Eliís stat line for the Bears game, a game the Giants scored 30 points 54%completion rate 170 yards a TD and a INT thoroughly mediocre.. Would the Giants be foolish enough to pay a huge price for that.. Pay for BMW and end up with a kia
RE: RE: And what the hell  
dep026 : 2/7/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14289921 GoBlue6599 said:
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In comment 14289836 RinR said:


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does playing against backup QBs have to do with how many points the offense scored?

I keep reading that but I don't remember any of those QBs playing D.


The Giants beat teams who were playing the backup that gave them gift turnovers.. it helped out the Offense immensely, Here is Eliís stat line for the Bears game, a game the Giants scored 30 points 54%completion rate 170 yards a TD and a INT thoroughly mediocre.. Would the Giants be foolish enough to pay a huge price for that.. Pay for BMW and end up with a kia


Goff was 20-44 with 0 TDs and 4 INTs.... throw in the shitbowl SB. Rams need a QB. Thanks for your analysis! So in-depth!
RE: RE: RE: And what the hell  
GoBlue6599 : 2/7/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14289925 dep026 said:
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In comment 14289921 GoBlue6599 said:


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In comment 14289836 RinR said:


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does playing against backup QBs have to do with how many points the offense scored?

I keep reading that but I don't remember any of those QBs playing D.


The Giants beat teams who were playing the backup that gave them gift turnovers.. it helped out the Offense immensely, Here is Eliís stat line for the Bears game, a game the Giants scored 30 points 54%completion rate 170 yards a TD and a INT thoroughly mediocre.. Would the Giants be foolish enough to pay a huge price for that.. Pay for BMW and end up with a kia



Goff was 20-44 with 0 TDs and 4 INTs.... throw in the shitbowl SB. Rams need a QB. Thanks for your analysis! So in-depth!

Brilliant..letís compare a 25 year old QB who just had a 30 TD season and led his team to a SB to a 40 year old guy who threw 19 tds and led his team to 5 wins... If anything youíre making my point for me even Goff in year 3 can throw 30 tds in todayís NFL.. Our guy can barely crack 20 on a offense with OBJ and Saquon..
Or using one game as a barometer of  
dep026 : 2/7/2019 4:32 pm : link
An argument is stupid? Should we go look over Goffís last 8 games since you always bring up Elis first 8? Or do we pick and choose what we want cause thatís all your brain can occupy? The fact is once the Giants OLine stabilized, the offense wasnít just good the last half of the year, it was very good. It can be even better with a legitimate center and RT too... no matter who the QB is.

Recess is over kid. Time to go back to class.
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