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A Bold Plan to get the Giants to the playoffs in 2019

Bronson : 2/7/2019 4:31 am
I've been a Giant fan since 1960 when Andy Robestelli, Jim Ketcavage and Y.A. Tittle played. Then Fred Dryer. Met Fred and
Jim Files at my first job Lafayette Radio in Syosset, NY. I have there signed picture along with Spider Lockhart's.
I bleed Giant Blue. This team needs to get back to their defensive days of LT, Carson and Banks. This draft is the perfect draft to
get the defense right. My Plan:
Trade OBJ to the Cards for their #1 pick.--Draft Bosa.
Trade Landon Collins and Vernon to the Raiders for their #4 pick---Draft 1 of the following players if they're still on the board in the following order:Josh Allen, Quinnen Williams,Clelin Ferrell.
At #6--Draft Devin White.
They just upgraded the front 7.
Trade Evan Engram and Gallman for the Lions # 8 pick--Draft Jonah Williams.
With their 2nd RD pick draft WR N'Keal Harry
Trade their 2 4th RD picks and move into the 3rd RD--Draft Brett Rypien QB Boise State.Google his college stats. He's the sleeper of this draft.

With FA the Giants should be in good position to win this year.

They haven't won anything with OBJ,Collins, Engram and Gallman. They can use Perkins or a drafted player to backup SB.
They beef up the DL and OL and LB positions. Defense wins championships..see Patriots holding Rams to 3 points.
They get a good WR to replace OBJ. SB replaces the touches that Engram would have gotten and SB runs better with Ellison and Simonson in the game.
so what you're saying basically  
Allen in CNJ : 2/7/2019 4:56 am : link
is take all of our players who have value, trade them, obtain unproven rookies, and our team will win? Hahahhaaa!!!

Secondly, there's no way trading OBJ will obtain us the #1 overall pick. The cards will not part ways with that pick with a roster with so many holes that can have a major hole filled with THAT pick.

And, lastly, this isn't Madden. Trades like these do not come so easily as teams want due compensation for what they're giving up!
Bronson ALL of our players  
Dave on the UWS : 2/7/2019 5:42 am : link
come from teams they were 3-13 and 5-11. Their value ainít great! Thereís zero chance any of those deals could be made. Sorry
Bold as in moronic?  
eli4life : 2/7/2019 6:39 am : link
Gotcha
Trades  
Jim in NH : 2/7/2019 7:03 am : link
When I took my son to his first Red Sox game, they had a slight lead and were bringing in Bob "Steamer" Stanley to protect it. They put his picture up on the scoreboard.

My son tugged on my arm. "Hey Dad, I have a great idea".

"Lets trade Bob Stanley to the Yankees for Dave Winfield and Don Mattingly".

You had me  
GiantsRage2007 : 2/7/2019 7:27 am : link
I agree with everything up to "My Plan:"

There are good defensive players in this draft.

Not sure all the fantasy-football trades work in real life.
So basically..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 8:14 am : link
make the D better and gut the offense?

Awesomeness.

If we are going on nostalgia, why don't we institute the single Wing and the Power Sweep and wear single bars on our facemasks too?
Engram and Gallman for the 8th pick in the draft?  
Stu11 : 2/7/2019 8:25 am : link
The Lions response:
it is bold, and it's got Maras written all over it  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2019 8:30 am : link
(:
In truth the swaps/trades of high draft picks for established players is an interesting, variable dynamic in the NFL...promise for proven...as a standout of its kind, look at the Cowboys' trade of 2019 #1 for Cooper...
I really like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 8:30 am : link
this astuteness:

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They get a good WR to replace OBJ. SB replaces the touches that Engram would have gotten and SB runs better with Ellison and Simonson in the game


A "good" WR?? I have to break the news to you - when you replace a top player with a "good" player, you get what we've seen the past several years.
if you're old enough to remember Robestelli  
WillieYoung : 2/7/2019 8:31 am : link
you're old enough to remember George Allen. You don't trade players for picks, you trade picks for players.
Defense may win championships  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2019 8:35 am : link
(or maybe it just won the last one) - didn't hear anyone say this last year, but the two teams in the SB and the final 4 teams were the 4 highest scoring teams in the regular season.

Bronson Pinchot as...  
Ryan : 2/7/2019 8:47 am : link
....Balki Bartoksimos.
Bold?  
Doomster : 2/7/2019 8:56 am : link
Or insane?
I like this plan  
eugibs : 2/7/2019 9:11 am : link
My only problem is that it is not quite bold enough. Why not package Sterling Shepard and Lauletta (lots of upside) for the second pick? Also, I would think long and hard about moving Rosas (best kicker in the NFL) for the third pick, though we may also need another piece back from the Jets (maybe take a flyer on Darnold to replace Lauletta as potential qb of the future).
So I jumped to the end  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2019 9:12 am : link
of the OP and saw that commentary and that's what I replied to.

but those trades are all realistic, I can see that happening.

Landon Collins (UFA who would need to be tagged to be traded I believe) and OV for the #4 pick. Very realistic.
Okay Jerry McGuire  
Beer Man : 2/7/2019 9:23 am : link
Time to put down the pipe, step away from the keyboard, and go to bed.
not sure  
family progtitioner : 2/7/2019 9:38 am : link
if serious.
Thankfully you  
Dnew15 : 2/7/2019 9:42 am : link
added this gem of a plan to other threads as well.
Can't tell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 9:43 am : link
if you are joking or not??

Quote:
So I jumped to the end
pjcas18 : 9:12 am : link : reply
of the OP and saw that commentary and that's what I replied to.

but those trades are all realistic, I can see that happening.


Engram and Gallman for the #8 pick is realistic?
Why make  
cokeduplt : 2/7/2019 9:44 am : link
A thread about something that is never ever going to happen. I donít care how long youíve been a fan this is just silly
Trading OBJ for the overall pick  
djstat : 2/7/2019 9:57 am : link
leaves us with $35 Million in dead cap space. NOT HAPPENING

Cannot trade Collins because he is a free agent. Even if you tag him, he cannot be traded until he signs the tag.

For a huge fan, you know nothing about the business side of football.
So  
lax counsel : 2/7/2019 9:57 am : link
Trade Collins (a free agent) and Vernon for a top pick, I am sure the Raiders are dying to make that trade. Why stop at your plan, why not just acquire picks 1-15 in this draft, the Giants brass can stand at the stage for the first 90 mins of the event.
He's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2019 9:58 am : link
not a huge fan. He's an old man.

And likely senile.
RE: He's..  
eli4life : 2/7/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14289662 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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not a huge fan. He's an old man.

And likely senile.

Question is what was his former alias?
Awesome  
Bramton1 : 2/7/2019 10:14 am : link
I'm sure the Cards and the Raiders would love to hand over the #1 and #4 picks, and allow us to keep the #6 pick.

Our defense would be awesome, but it would be game over the first time anybody kicks a field goal.

You forgot to trade away Barkley and Shephard.
This is a great idea...  
BamaBlue : 2/7/2019 10:19 am : link
who knew Ralph Vachianno posted threads on BBI!?
I think  
Jay in Toronto : 2/7/2019 10:20 am : link
the perspective that in today's game QB pressure and sound run protection makes the front 7 critical has merit.
This post is a perfect example of why  
totowa_gman : 2/7/2019 11:20 am : link
people should be screened prior to being allowed to post.
My head hurts after reading that  
Gman11 : 2/7/2019 11:21 am : link
.
A BOLDER plan!!  
x meadowlander : 2/7/2019 11:35 am : link
Tear down the stadium and build one very similar...

...charge thousands for the rights to buy your season tickets in the new one.

Using the word senile in a cavilier manner  
joeinpa : 2/7/2019 3:40 pm : link
Is insensitive even for this place.
Bronson, you brought back so many memories with Lafayette radio. I  
plato : 2/7/2019 3:50 pm : link
Remember going there vividly to look for audio equipment. Not in your store but Manhattan. Anyway thanks. No comment on your plan for Giants thpugh.
RE: Using the word senile in a cavilier manner  
Bill L : 2/7/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14290272 joeinpa said:
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Is insensitive even for this place.

I thought he was from Charlotte, not Charlottesville?
Give the OP credit for putting it out there  
montanagiant : 2/7/2019 4:21 pm : link
But this is a dumb plan
This is why fans shouldn't try to be GMs  
Deejboy : 2/7/2019 4:52 pm : link
Nope. Stick with being fans.
That plan is neither realistic nor smart  
Mike from Ohio : 2/7/2019 5:18 pm : link
You would never get those picks for those players, and even if you did build that team, it would be lucky to score 150 points across the season.
Here's a bold plan - though i wouldn't do  
giantstock : 2/8/2019 2:25 pm : link
say bye to Vernon and don't sign Collins.

In Free agency get 3 players
1-- Get one DL either Grady Jarrett, Frank Clark or Brandon Graham.
2-- Get a FS. Joyner for example. HE shouldn't break the bank.
3-- Get one OL. Depends on how much cap you got after you get above 2. Get the best but one you can afford.

TRADES:
1-- Trade the 2nd rd pick and any later round additional pick to move up either in 1st round or earlier in 2nd rd to get a starter.

2-- Trade 2020 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.

3-- Trade 2021 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.
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Now with the draft you can get FOUR STARTERS at need positions -- and maybe you don't need to trade one of the above and you can use your 2nd rd for a starter.

The 4 picks would be an OLB pass rusher, an ILB, a SS and and an OL such as Risner.

In this scenario if you are lucky you have 7 starters. With 7 starters you have a chance to get into the playoffs.
RE: Here's a bold plan - though i wouldn't do  
Bill L : 2/8/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14291054 giantstock said:
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say bye to Vernon and don't sign Collins.

In Free agency get 3 players
1-- Get one DL either Grady Jarrett, Frank Clark or Brandon Graham.
2-- Get a FS. Joyner for example. HE shouldn't break the bank.
3-- Get one OL. Depends on how much cap you got after you get above 2. Get the best but one you can afford.

TRADES:
1-- Trade the 2nd rd pick and any later round additional pick to move up either in 1st round or earlier in 2nd rd to get a starter.

2-- Trade 2020 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.

3-- Trade 2021 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.
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Now with the draft you can get FOUR STARTERS at need positions -- and maybe you don't need to trade one of the above and you can use your 2nd rd for a starter.

The 4 picks would be an OLB pass rusher, an ILB, a SS and and an OL such as Risner.

In this scenario if you are lucky you have 7 starters. With 7 starters you have a chance to get into the playoffs.


Then you'll never get you QB>

If it were me, I'd be going the other way and trying to get 2020 picks. Maybe move down in this year's first and pick up an extra first next year (pick best DL or OL available after dropping), move down in the second for an extra second next year etc. Probably package a few late rounds to get another third rounder this year. And then next year pool the extra picks and try to move up for one of the 3-4 top QB's.
RE: RE: Here's a bold plan - though i wouldn't do  
giantstock : 2/8/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14291100 Bill L said:
Quote:
In comment 14291054 giantstock said:


Quote:


say bye to Vernon and don't sign Collins.

In Free agency get 3 players
1-- Get one DL either Grady Jarrett, Frank Clark or Brandon Graham.
2-- Get a FS. Joyner for example. HE shouldn't break the bank.
3-- Get one OL. Depends on how much cap you got after you get above 2. Get the best but one you can afford.

TRADES:
1-- Trade the 2nd rd pick and any later round additional pick to move up either in 1st round or earlier in 2nd rd to get a starter.

2-- Trade 2020 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.

3-- Trade 2021 1st rd pick for this year's 1st rd pick. If need be throw in other late rd picks.
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Now with the draft you can get FOUR STARTERS at need positions -- and maybe you don't need to trade one of the above and you can use your 2nd rd for a starter.

The 4 picks would be an OLB pass rusher, an ILB, a SS and and an OL such as Risner.

In this scenario if you are lucky you have 7 starters. With 7 starters you have a chance to get into the playoffs.



Then you'll never get you QB>

If it were me, I'd be going the other way and trying to get 2020 picks. Maybe move down in this year's first and pick up an extra first next year (pick best DL or OL available after dropping), move down in the second for an extra second next year etc. Probably package a few late rounds to get another third rounder this year. And then next year pool the extra picks and try to move up for one of the 3-4 top QB's.


I was just responding to the thread of trying to win in 2019 by being "bold" but I said I wouldn't do. Juts playing along with the the thread.
RE: Awesome  
Bronson : 2/9/2019 1:30 am : link
In comment 14289684 Bramton1 said:
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I'm sure the Cards and the Raiders would love to hand over the #1 and #4 picks, and allow us to keep the #6 pick.

Our defense would be awesome, but it would be game over the first time anybody kicks a field goal.

You forgot to trade away Barkley and Shephard.


OH! That's next year!!
RE: so what you're saying basically  
Bronson : 2/9/2019 1:50 am : link
In comment 14289497 Allen in CNJ said:
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is take all of our players who have value, trade them, obtain unproven rookies, and our team will win? Hahahhaaa!!!

Secondly, there's no way trading OBJ will obtain us the #1 overall pick. The cards will not part ways with that pick with a roster with so many holes that can have a major hole filled with THAT pick.


And, lastly, this isn't Madden. Trades like these do not come so easily as teams want due compensation for what they're giving up!


What have they won with the players I want to trade. OBJ is a head case. They can easily get the #1 pick for him. Kingsbury loves the shotgun offense and pair OBJ and Larry Fitzgerald and he has a great WR Tandem.
Trading Collins and Vernon to the Raiders would help Gruden replace Mack. Both in the front 7 and the secondary.

Gallman and Engram for the #8 pick is fair. 2 young players who the Giants have won nothing with. Why keep Gallman, what for a few carries to give SB a breather. He's worth more to the Giants to get something for him. Perkins or a late RD draft pick can backup SB.

The G-Men had a horrible defense constantly not being able to hold onto a lead. The DL and LB positions need to be upgraded big time. Simonson and Ellison can catch the ball and they are better in the run game. Engram has 1 big play in him a game then he disappears the rest of the game. He's not a good fit in Shurmur's offense.

It's all about 2020 not next year for the Giants. Eli's successor would be better served by having both lines shored up and a good defense behind him. A good defense can help an average offense.
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