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NFT: Knicks Chat: Durant has had enough

DanMetroMan : 2/7/2019 7:31 am
Deapite the headline...1. Doesn't at all deny interest in the Knicks so the headline is misleading 2. He's not wrong but this would not play in NY. The pitchforks would be out with the way the Knicks are covered. I like KD and always have but I do think he's handling this poorly.
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He'd get along real well with Isola  
moespree : 2/7/2019 10:53 am : link
I can't even begin to imagine the type of back and forth those two would have.
If Durant comes here with the likes of a Kyrie, AD,  
Chris684 : 2/7/2019 10:55 am : link
Klay, etc. that Knicks team is going to do so much more winning than what NYC has grown accustomed to in the last two decades, it should be fine.
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nygiants16 : 2/7/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14289745 arcarsenal said:
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I posted this in another thread - but it's probably better here.

I'm not sure Durant can handle NY and being THE guy. I have serious reservations about how he handles adversity because it seems to be not well at all.

He won't have guys like Harden, Russ, Steph or Draymond to pass the buck off to when things get rough here. If he comes here, even WITH Kyrie, he is going to be the no-doubt Alpha dog here and the guy expected to carry the Knicks.

I don't like the media either - but they're relentless here and when there's blood in the water, forget it. How is Durant going to respond when times get rough? I have serious pause.


i will say it again, he did not go off because of the line of questioning...

He went off on 1 specific writer who put words in kds mouth and spun it and acted like he talked to kd...

This had nothing to do with getting criticized, a month earlier he sat there and talked free agency with the knicks writers..
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arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 11:04 am : link
Yeah, but he also had that whole rift with Draymond earlier in the year and all of that drama where he was like "I'm out of here" or whatever he was all bent out of shape about.

Even the biggest KD fan has to admit that the Knicks would be a unique situation for him. This would be the largest market he's played in, and he'd have to carry more weight here than he's ever carried before (barring the very beginning of his career)

He just doesn't seem like a guy who handles adversity well to me.

When OKC lost to GSW a couple years ago after being up 3-1, Durant seemed to vanish when the moment was biggest.

Westbrook's lightning-rod persona took a lot of heat off him. And in Golden State, there is no adversity. All they've done since hes been there is win and they were an established winner before he arrived - not a franchise that has been in peril for decades and desperately seeking a savior

This is going to be a MUCH different animal for him.
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arcarsenal : 2/7/2019 11:05 am : link
And if you ask me, I would bet money that he won't come here.
Knicks chat: Fans have had enough  
GiantsUA : 2/7/2019 11:12 am : link
I fixed it
The way that MSG bans negative reporters has to be a big plus for KD  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2019 11:19 am : link
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I will say this. The way that the shit has gone down for the Lakers  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2019 11:22 am : link
and it being a total public relations disaster and messing with the team has given me a new appreciation for the way the Knicks stealth sold KP. We could have had a TON of front page drama but Perry sent him packing with no leaks until it was a done deal.
Durant  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2019 11:52 am : link
I actually agree with Durant here. Strauss put words in his mouth and clearly has no relationship with him. And what do you want him to say? Heís screwed either way. Look whatís happening to Irving.

I think his plan is to go to the Knicks if things line up right. I also think that plan can change very quickly.
Kind  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2019 12:13 pm : link
of off-topic but given the new Forbes report the Knicks are worth 4 billion... the valuation is so high it almost has to be a corporation that would buy the Knicks, Rangers, MSG and Radio City... I have concerns a corporation would be less free with their checkbook than Dolan. How many private citizens have 10ish billion to spend?
I know everyone is hyping up Durant and Kyrie coming to NY  
Doubledeuce22 : 2/7/2019 12:58 pm : link
but how much better would Klay/Durant be in terms of fitting in with our current roster? I had read somewhere that we would be able to still fit in Deandre Jordan for around $9.5 million. Is that true with the 2 max contracts?

DSJ/Frank/Mudiay
Klay/Trier/Dotson
Durant/Knox/?
Zion?/Kornet
Deandre/Robinson
Regarding Klay, the Knicks desperately need shooting.  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2019 1:02 pm : link
Robinson/Jordan only score at the rim, Knox is shooting 37% (I know, rookie, but still...), DSJr./Frank are poor from three, Zion and the rest of the top prospects are more slasher/scorer types than pure shooters. Shooting can definitely be an Achilles heel, even in a dream FA scenario.
Where there is smoke, there is fire  
Vanzetti : 2/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
I donít think the speculation would bother him so much if he had not thought about going to the Knicks

If you have a GF and your friends start kidding you some other girl you have zero interest in, you laugh it off. But if they start kidding you about girl you are very attracted to, it starts to annoy you.
RE: Kind  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14289915 DanMetroMan said:
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of off-topic but given the new Forbes report the Knicks are worth 4 billion... the valuation is so high it almost has to be a corporation that would buy the Knicks, Rangers, MSG and Radio City... I have concerns a corporation would be less free with their checkbook than Dolan. How many private citizens have 10ish billion to spend?


But the Knicks are the ultimate toy for the uber wealthy in the middle of the city with the richest individuals in the world. I think 4 billion is a conservative estimate and it could always be a group headlined by 1 person.

But Knicks fan should be careful what they wish for. The last thing we need is another Wilpon in this city who refuse to spend money...Dolan is bad at alot of things but he's never left finances play any role in the teams roster.
Corporate ownership in sports always goes poorly  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2019 1:46 pm : link
The bottom line is everything then
as a Warriors fan, I'd honestly be  
santacruzom : 2/7/2019 2:17 pm : link
more upset by them losing Klay than by them losing Durant. I just like the team better with Thompson remaining as an integral part of its origin story.
Knicks are buying out both Kanter and Matthews  
Anakim : 2/7/2019 2:58 pm : link
Matthews expected to join the Pacers
RE: Knicks are buying out both Kanter and Matthews  
Anakim : 2/7/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14290191 Anakim said:
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Matthews expected to join the Pacers


And it's official
RE: Eli/Jeter  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/7/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14289566 giants#1 said:
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seriously need to start a consulting firm teaching athletes how to handle the media.


Well thatís a great idea but IMO guyskikenthst had a lot of great support and role models. Some of these kids have heard they were the greatest ever since they were 12. Get to the big stage and nowjace to deal w media assholes who will be total Scumbags. And not every athlete is smart and savvy verbally. Many of the media guys are vermin these days. Like the movie says. The only way to win is not to play.
RE: RE: Knicks are buying out both Kanter and Matthews  
robbieballs2003 : 2/7/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14290246 Anakim said:
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Matthews expected to join the Pacers



And it's official


Matthews was a buyout. I think Kanter is a straight release.
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djm : 2/8/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14289781 arcarsenal said:
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And if you ask me, I would bet money that he won't come here.


I know that this wasnít your main point but I think many overstate the supposed big bad nyc media market. These pro athletes have been facing unreal pressure since high school. Itís Itís in their bones at this point. I donít think an athlete is avoiding the because of pressure or the media. They were avoiding this franchise because the Knicks never ever ever had ample cap room except once, back when they signed stat. And I guess melo.

Again, you didnít say this but a lot of people insist that the Knicks havenít been able to lure the star FA but the Knicks havenít really had a chance to lure anyone. And thereís pressure everywhere.
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Enzo : 2/8/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14290726 djm said:
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And if you ask me, I would bet money that he won't come here.



I know that this wasnít your main point but I think many overstate the supposed big bad nyc media market. These pro athletes have been facing unreal pressure since high school. Itís Itís in their bones at this point. I donít think an athlete is avoiding the because of pressure or the media. They were avoiding this franchise because the Knicks never ever ever had ample cap room except once, back when they signed stat. And I guess melo.

Again, you didnít say this but a lot of people insist that the Knicks havenít been able to lure the star FA but the Knicks havenít really had a chance to lure anyone. And thereís pressure everywhere.

you're forgetting 2016 when they had plenty of cap room and couldn't' even get in to see Durant when he was taking meetings in the Hamptons.

And the year before that they had cap room when they signed Lopez, Derrick Williams, KOQ, and Afflalo.

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nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14290771 Enzo said:
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And if you ask me, I would bet money that he won't come here.



I know that this wasnít your main point but I think many overstate the supposed big bad nyc media market. These pro athletes have been facing unreal pressure since high school. Itís Itís in their bones at this point. I donít think an athlete is avoiding the because of pressure or the media. They were avoiding this franchise because the Knicks never ever ever had ample cap room except once, back when they signed stat. And I guess melo.

Again, you didnít say this but a lot of people insist that the Knicks havenít been able to lure the star FA but the Knicks havenít really had a chance to lure anyone. And thereís pressure everywhere.


you're forgetting 2016 when they had plenty of cap room and couldn't' even get in to see Durant when he was taking meetings in the Hamptons.

And the year before that they had cap room when they signed Lopez, Derrick Williams, KOQ, and Afflalo.


you mean the same way lebron did not sign with lakers before he went to miami...

if you cant see difference between 2016 kd and now i font know what to tell yoi
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2019 11:08 am : link
Sure, there's pressure everywhere - pressure in New York City and pressure in Oklahoma City are most certainly not equal, though. I don't know how anyone could argue that.

My main point is that KD coming to NY and being the top dog here would be unlike anything he's taken on in his career yet. The Warriors aren't even his team - they established all of that before he got there and were already good enough to win titles. There's literally zero pressure on him there. There's 3 other big name players he can pass the buck to - and they still had all sorts of drama and issues earlier in the year.

There's not going to be a lightning-rod persona like Russ here to keep attention off him, either. He doesn't like being asked tough questions and doesn't seem to respond well when there's heat on him.

I'd have concerns about how he'd respond here if he had to face adversity and be the guy taking the majority of the blame.

He's the 2nd best player in the league and I'd surely take him - I just feel like everyone's setting themselves up for another major disappointment this summer if/when he doesn't come here.
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Enzo : 2/8/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14290790 nygiants16 said:
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And if you ask me, I would bet money that he won't come here.



I know that this wasnít your main point but I think many overstate the supposed big bad nyc media market. These pro athletes have been facing unreal pressure since high school. Itís Itís in their bones at this point. I donít think an athlete is avoiding the because of pressure or the media. They were avoiding this franchise because the Knicks never ever ever had ample cap room except once, back when they signed stat. And I guess melo.

Again, you didnít say this but a lot of people insist that the Knicks havenít been able to lure the star FA but the Knicks havenít really had a chance to lure anyone. And thereís pressure everywhere.


you're forgetting 2016 when they had plenty of cap room and couldn't' even get in to see Durant when he was taking meetings in the Hamptons.

And the year before that they had cap room when they signed Lopez, Derrick Williams, KOQ, and Afflalo.




you mean the same way lebron did not sign with lakers before he went to miami...

if you cant see difference between 2016 kd and now i font know what to tell yoi

I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

But I'll just assume it's the typical fanboy bullshit you usually post.
hey enzo ill break it down for you  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 11:15 am : link
Would lebron have signed with lakers if he had zero rings?

KD has his rings and now he can take on a new challenge and try to win one on his own...

if he did not have rings zero chance he signs with knicks...

And you call me a fanboy, before the knicks opened 2 slots i said there was zero chance kd would sign here but yes i am fan boy...

i would rather be a fan boy then a negative little fuck every single day of my life
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nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14290791 arcarsenal said:
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Sure, there's pressure everywhere - pressure in New York City and pressure in Oklahoma City are most certainly not equal, though. I don't know how anyone could argue that.

My main point is that KD coming to NY and being the top dog here would be unlike anything he's taken on in his career yet. The Warriors aren't even his team - they established all of that before he got there and were already good enough to win titles. There's literally zero pressure on him there. There's 3 other big name players he can pass the buck to - and they still had all sorts of drama and issues earlier in the year.

There's not going to be a lightning-rod persona like Russ here to keep attention off him, either. He doesn't like being asked tough questions and doesn't seem to respond well when there's heat on him.

I'd have concerns about how he'd respond here if he had to face adversity and be the guy taking the majority of the blame.

He's the 2nd best player in the league and I'd surely take him - I just feel like everyone's setting themselves up for another major disappointment this summer if/when he doesn't come here.


If he was cpming by himself i would agree with you, but he can pick his sidekick
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2019 11:20 am : link
I hope I'm wrong - I hope we get the top pick and draft Zion, I hope KD comes with Kyrie or someone else, I hope Knox continues to develop... but I'm just no longer able to anticipate anything other than the Knicks striking out. So, until the ink is dry...

I'll still have my concerns about how KD would fare here, but I'm not stupid enough to say I wouldn't pursue him as a result.
IMO  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/8/2019 12:59 pm : link
I'd rather not give up all our #1 picks, (possibly Zion) and our young core for AD. I'd really not.

Keep our picks. Keep our players. Sign FAs.
he's so damn soft  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/8/2019 1:07 pm : link
I honestly don't think he can handle NYC. The media has treated him with kid gloves considering what they could really say, if you look at his twitter history this dude is out here arguing with 12 year olds and whining at every given moment.

He had problems with the OKC media, the OKC media lol.

If the Knicks can get him, then go get him. But his inability to take criticism will be a major issue if he plays for the Knicks.
RE: IMO  
Jan in DC : 2/8/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14290943 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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I'd rather not give up all our #1 picks, (possibly Zion) and our young core for AD. I'd really not.

Keep our picks. Keep our players. Sign FAs.


I think that would be the ideal situation. AD is great, but having some young players on cheaper contracts to mix with high priced free agents and vets that come for the minimum would keep the cupboard stocked.
Yeah...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/8/2019 1:34 pm : link
My main concern with KD is how he'd handle the media in NYC. He goes on & on about how he doesn't care what people say/think of him, but that's a bald faced lie. He's very sensitive to criticism.
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2019 1:39 pm : link
Anyone who continually needs to prove that they really don't care what anyone thinks of them are typically the people who care the most.

I think Durant cares a great deal about how he's perceived and I absolutely think he's soft.
If knicks do not hit big this summer  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 1:45 pm : link
Knicks will not be good in the next 10 years this is the summer someone has to come...

They have the coach every player in the league loves, they have the cap space and potentially the number 1 pick, they have some good young players...

Doesnt happen this offseason it will never happen
I agree with the premise that he might clash with the media  
NoGainDayne : 2/8/2019 1:45 pm : link
but I don't agree with the fact that this might affect his game.

He's a tactician on the court. He made probably one of the most unpopular decisions in sports ever and he had ice in his veins in the championships following.

He clearly cares a lot but he can focus that energy on the court. I think it would take an almost inconceivable amount of bad press before fan 1 turned on KD after coming to NY.

And even if he was booed at home (which I also consider to be a scant chance) i'm not sure it would affect his play.

Let's not conflate a desire to be liked off the court and play on the court when there has been zero evidence of this to date.
RE: Yeah...  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14290991 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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My main concern with KD is how he'd handle the media in NYC. He goes on & on about how he doesn't care what people say/think of him, but that's a bald faced lie. He's very sensitive to criticism.


I think he would be fine, there would be such a long honeymoon that he would be treated like a king just for coming here and if he brought someone with him they would win so he wouldnt have to worry....

ARod wasn't known for handling the press well  
giants#1 : 2/8/2019 1:48 pm : link
and he still helped bring a WS to the Yankees.
Playing for the Warriors in the  
Metnut : 2/8/2019 1:57 pm : link
Bay Area isn't exactly a small market. Durant deals with a ton of media attention and scrutiny from both the local and national media. The Warriors and Durant have done just fine.
RE: Playing for the Warriors in the  
arcarsenal : 2/8/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14291025 Metnut said:
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Bay Area isn't exactly a small market. Durant deals with a ton of media attention and scrutiny from both the local and national media. The Warriors and Durant have done just fine.


What adversity is he dealing with there?

They're defending Champs, they have several titles in the last few years, and they're probably going to win again this year.

The Knicks have been in peril for like 25 years. This fan base is desperately seeking a savior.

The Warrior fans were not. They didn't need Durant. He was a luxury that made their team unfairly good.

We NEED him because we haven't won jack shit in 50 years. There will be no grace period here. Knicks fans are starved for success.
RE: Playing for the Warriors in the  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14291025 Metnut said:
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Bay Area isn't exactly a small market. Durant deals with a ton of media attention and scrutiny from both the local and national media. The Warriors and Durant have done just fine.


It's not large/small market thing. NY is different than any other local media market I've lived in or spent considerable time in. The media in NY loves trashing the teams. Absolutely loves it. For the most part every other market will write puff pieces about you until you leave town or horribly miss expectations year after year. The national media is a different beast and is much more similar to how NY operates.

There is criticism everywhere, but only in NY it seems like a competition who can shit on the local teams the hardest. Than you have the interesting rivalry between each teams designated lackeys in media vs those reporters.
Whether he can handle it or not I don't know  
moespree : 2/8/2019 2:13 pm : link
BUT, I believe him and his team have been plotting a move here this summer for years. This is not going to be some fly by night decision. The evidence suggests it's been in the works. From business dealings, to comments by his agent, to things his friends have said on social media, all of it points to this being a calculated business decision that was made some time ago.

If I am correct on that premise then you'd have to think he and his team have had some time to think about what the media, fanbase and reactions will be and how to best handle that. Whether he can or not, I don't know.
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nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14291041 arcarsenal said:
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Bay Area isn't exactly a small market. Durant deals with a ton of media attention and scrutiny from both the local and national media. The Warriors and Durant have done just fine.



What adversity is he dealing with there?

They're defending Champs, they have several titles in the last few years, and they're probably going to win again this year.

The Knicks have been in peril for like 25 years. This fan base is desperately seeking a savior.

The Warrior fans were not. They didn't need Durant. He was a luxury that made their team unfairly good.

We NEED him because we haven't won jack shit in 50 years. There will be no grace period here. Knicks fans are starved for success.


that is why it only works if he comes with a 2nd guy or the knicks trade for AD...

Pistons released Henry Ellenson  
Anakim : 2/8/2019 2:27 pm : link
Interest from the Knicks?
The narrative that Durant can't handle New York is one of the dumbest  
Mike in NJ : 2/8/2019 3:00 pm : link
takes I have seen in a while. The guy has been in the national spotlight his whole career. He is the best player on the best team in the league, but as was pointed out earlier, Durant is the A-Rod to Steph's Jeter. All the heat, all the criticism, all the frustration whenever there is any, gets directed at Durant. Sure he has let it ruffle his feathers occasionally like he did this past week, or goes after 12 year olds on Twitter, but it has never effected the performance on the court.

The one positive thing you can say about Dolan in this situation is that if there were ever an organization that was willing to insulate their guys from the media, the Knicks would be the one. Don't like what Stefan Bondy has to say? Don't let him in the building. Sick of Frank Isola criticizing the organization? Keep him away from the team. Durant won't be grilled by the media because the Knicks, for good or for bad, have never let the local media treat their team that way.
Bondy  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:12 pm : link
says Frank was shopped but nobody was willing to give up a 1st. I get it on both sides.
RE: Bondy  
Strahan91 : 2/8/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14291111 DanMetroMan said:
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says Frank was shopped but nobody was willing to give up a 1st. I get it on both sides.

Interesting since Begley said they had no interest in trading Frank. I wonder who's right.

On another way more important note, did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today? He had Marks on and they were talking about how Knick fans would riot if this summer goes wrong for them. Marks commented that it still could go wrong and Lowe replied "we'll see" in such a way that he was clearly indicating that he knows something and it isn't going to go wrong.
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nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14291240 Strahan91 said:
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says Frank was shopped but nobody was willing to give up a 1st. I get it on both sides.


Interesting since Begley said they had no interest in trading Frank. I wonder who's right.

On another way more important note, did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today? He had Marks on and they were talking about how Knick fans would riot if this summer goes wrong for them. Marks commented that it still could go wrong and Lowe replied "we'll see" in such a way that he was clearly indicating that he knows something and it isn't going to go wrong.


Lowe has been pumping durant to new york since beginning of the season
even woj is getting on the bandwagon  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2019 6:27 pm : link
before he was saying he didnt see it now it is "real strong possibility"
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/8/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14291240 Strahan91 said:
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says Frank was shopped but nobody was willing to give up a 1st. I get it on both sides.


Interesting since Begley said they had no interest in trading Frank. I wonder who's right.

On another way more important note, did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today? He had Marks on and they were talking about how Knick fans would riot if this summer goes wrong for them. Marks commented that it still could go wrong and Lowe replied "we'll see" in such a way that he was clearly indicating that he knows something and it isn't going to go wrong.


LOL. I almost fell off the treadmill laughing when Lowe said that because I legitimately, 100% could see that happening. I might even join in.
Arc, I think there'd be somewhat of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/8/2019 7:01 pm : link
a grace period. But if KD comes with Kyrie and/or KD, that's a 55 plus win team overnight & most of us would be over the moon. Now, if they get to year 2 or 3 & they haven't won a championship, the aggravation would grow. But there'd be a honeymoon phase.
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