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| There seems to be a very good chance that they'll take one with the sixth pick of the draft where quarterbacks like Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins, Missouri's Drew Lock, Duke's Daniel Jones and maybe even Oklahoma's Kyler Murray are possible options. Several others, like West Virginia's Will Grier, could be options on Day 2. The Giants could also use their second-round pick to trade back into the first round if one of those top-tier quarterbacks slips farther than they expect. So their options are open, but they do seem more serious about finding Manning's heir apparent than they were at this time last year. Manning, as SNY has been reporting, is expected to return as the starter for the 2019 season. But the Giants are hopeful that right behind him on the depth chart his eventual successor will be on board. |
The good teams know you can't protect yourself against all the variables.
What you can do is invest wisely, prioritize, and be aggressively self aware.
The single factor between Ernie Accorsi being the butt of a hair joke and the elder statesman of NFL management was understanding the window had closed for the 2000 Super Bowl team.
It wasn't so much picking Manning. It was not picking Robert Gallery. He didn't cling to the fleeting hope he could squeeze something out of something that was gone. Collins 31 mind you.
The Giants incontrovertibly haven't invested their cap wisely (~60% in 6 players), haven't succeeded in building a pipeline of depth, and to this point been wise enough to build around a new focal point at QB.
QB is an outsized factor on a team by design. Maybe more than the head coach and GM, an NFL team is who their QB is.
Accorsi knew this, and it made all the difference. Maybe the Giants can eek out a playoff appearance with what Manning has left.
But does anyone see a championship?
Tyrod Taylor just came off of a 2 year $30 million deal with half guaranteed, and he sucks. So who are we getting for cheaper than that while also absorbing Eli’s dead cap?
Fitz, schaubb or mccown
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but you can’t ignore what Eli is owed because his dead cap hit + what we’d pay a vet will be and even bigger waste of money.
Tyrod Taylor just came off of a 2 year $30 million deal with half guaranteed, and he sucks. So who are we getting for cheaper than that while also absorbing Eli’s dead cap?
Fitz, schaubb or mccown
Great, going to be funny around here with Fitzmagic throwing picks for $8-10m + Eli’s dead cap. Again, what’s the point?
There’s only 2 ways to do this. Cut Eli and go with a rookie or keep Eli and let the rookie sit. Eli’s dead cap makes another “stopgap” even more costly.
QB is an outsized factor on a team by design. Maybe more than the head coach and GM, an NFL team is who their QB is.
Accorsi knew this, and it made all the difference. Maybe the Giants can eek out a playoff appearance with what Manning has left.
But does anyone see a championship?
Exactly. This is the right question to ask. It’s something I’ve said repeatedly - if you can’t build a rational case to win a SB with Eli, at this age and point in his career, there is simply no reason to keep him.
Keeping him wastes time for the team and the next QB to develop with each other.
And short of renegotiating a too-good-to-be true cap friendly contract with Eli, his cap savings are material and important to reinvest in other players/positions.
They won't answer the question can you see a championship with Eli...they will just say who else you gonna get?
Who cares, the whole point of signing him is to move on to a young guy.
That a good enough answer for you?
It just means keep him there until his replacement is found, and if we manage to win in the meantime, then great.
There is no way they buy into the idea of a total rebuild which seems to be what some are suggesting
And it makes sense. Even if you lunatics don't see it, understand it, or want it.
If it results in another loosing season it will be a poor choice.
In terms of personnel, cutting Eli should be at the top of the priority list. Just behind him should be cutting Vernon, Jenkins, and Ogeltree. Cutting those four underperforming contacts would add $41M in cap space. That would get the Giants up to $69M in cap space, and allow them a better opportunity to rethink how they want to approach their cap allocation philosophy.
Meanwhile, there is the minor issue of what do you do under center with the Cap Space Uber Alles plan. Forget for a minute the potential issue of the effect on other players of a public demonstration that the team is punting the season. 7-20 million of that cap space is going to spent on a stopgap while waiting for . . . Lauletta??
I get it; we need to have a plan to move on. I don't think generating cap space for the sake of cap space is it.
That a good enough answer for you?
No, because you’re not rational. Which was the key point of my comment.
You are the Ambassador of Eli.
I think we're at a point where the window is closing on him too quickly for us to have enough time to give him the team he needs. So, we're kind of chasing something I don't think we'll ever be able to catch in that regard.
Hey, I'd take Haskins right now. That's the guy I want to be the next QB here. But I can also see a scenario where there's a much better non-QB prospect on the board @ 6. Williams almost certainly will not be there - but if for some reason he were - I'd pass on the QB's and take him (Haskins would likely have been taken already under that scenario anyway)
If it turns out that we go ER/DL or even OL instead of QB, then I'm not against using Eli as a stopgap for one more year and then just letting him walk and retire in 2020 and going after a QB in that draft. Ideally Tua.
Cutting Eli + paying a veteran doesn't really do anything for me if we're going with anything other than a rookie. What would the point be?
No he wasn't. Did they drop all his passes in the second half as well?
We had a chance to step on them right away - we came out of the gates quickly. But the drops stymied the offense, kept points off the board, and then ultimately just never allowed us to get on track.
There was a glimmer of hope after Eli hit TK on the deep post TD, but the defense that was suffocating and frustrating Rodgers early couldn't hold and the dam broke.
But at this point, what good does it do to re-hash a playoff game from 2 years ago? If we get back, it'll have been 3 years since then. It's basically ancient history as far as the NFL is concerned.
And it makes sense. Even if you lunatics don't see it, understand it, or want it.
Here we go again...yes, they may do it but that doesn't comport to its the right path.
But if that helps you remind everybody that you are a good predictor of poor decisions then so be it.
Might as well sticky this thread. We will need it 12 months from now when nothing has changed...
We had a chance to step on them right away - we came out of the gates quickly. But the drops stymied the offense, kept points off the board, and then ultimately just never allowed us to get on track.
There was a glimmer of hope after Eli hit TK on the deep post TD, but the defense that was suffocating and frustrating Rodgers early couldn't hold and the dam broke.
But at this point, what good does it do to re-hash a playoff game from 2 years ago? If we get back, it'll have been 3 years since then. It's basically ancient history as far as the NFL is concerned.
Yep, they kept scoring and our guys stopped. It was a sound beating over 60 minutes b/c thats how long games last. No matter if their were drops in 1stQTR. He wasn't good enough and they weren't good enough.
Was it the reason we lost? No. Did it play a big factor? Absolutely.
Not sure how that's even debatable.
Momentum and game flow are real and those drops certainly impacted both.
What's the you guys stuff? Did someime hack your account and make all those posts under your username?
Moving on from this historical period of the team that has no relevance whatsoever on this thread.
Except of course for a few to cling on to memories of yesteryear when our HOF QB threw a few good passes that were dropped.
Moving on from this historical period of the team that has no relevance whatsoever on this thread.
Except of course for a few to cling on to memories of yesteryear when our HOF QB threw a few good passes that were dropped.
The hail mary changed the game.
And it makes sense. Even if you lunatics don't see it, understand it, or want it.
Britt, you guessing the Giants will make the loyal, arguably counter productive, decision around Manning is about as impressive as predicting when the clock will strike midnight.
And me guessing Manning will get beat like a bag for half the season as 3/5 of the line gets it together and Manning has zero mobility is equally unimpressive.
If you think there is any comparison to draw between 2016 Manning and the New York Giants 2016 roster -- and today -- that's a pretty good stretch.
"Why not" isn't a faith deepening strategy to run a business.
Riveting stuff...
Pitchers and catchers report this week I think...
Pitchers and catchers report this week I think...
Absolutely! Can’t wait. They’re my one team that actually gives me some hope
Moving on from this historical period of the team that has no relevance whatsoever on this thread.
Except of course for a few to cling on to memories of yesteryear when our HOF QB threw a few good passes that were dropped.
Of course you want to move on, you’re argument sucks. For as much as you give Britt shit you are so far on the other extreme and just as bad.
And I’m not clinging at all to 2016, simply correcting the absurd take that not scoring more points in the 1st half has no impact on the 2nd half. Just awful.
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in the second half. It was a joke at some point and we were beaten by a much better team.
Moving on from this historical period of the team that has no relevance whatsoever on this thread.
Except of course for a few to cling on to memories of yesteryear when our HOF QB threw a few good passes that were dropped.
Of course you want to move on, you’re argument sucks. For as much as you give Britt shit you are so far on the other extreme and just as bad.
And I’m not clinging at all to 2016, simply correcting the absurd take that not scoring more points in the 1st half has no impact on the 2nd half. Just awful.
the post wasnt to you. Nor is my argument what you are screaming about.
The comment was Eli was good enough to beat GB...and he wasn't. The Giants had drops that caused TDs to be FGs..got it...I am briefed. But they also had 3 more qtrs to make up for it and did nothing on Offense and Defense. That is why they lost. They lost to a team that was better all-around including at QB.
If you want to hypothesize some "lost ring" because of two dropped passes early in this outing or that Eli didn't have time to make up for it or even score a point in the 4thQTR then you are on drugs. Was every single play in the game directly impacted back to these dropped passes? They lost 38-13 and the offense did about what they normally did back then, not score much.
Huh..what is your problem now? How is he throwing back-breaking ints when he hasnt played a game that mattered in years? You are living in 2011...wake up.
They won't answer the question can you see a championship with Eli...they will just say who else you gonna get?
Holy crap why do you guys take this so personally? If people want to be enamored of Eli still (I am STILL), what does it mean to you? I mean really I don't understand these back and forth arguments that he sucks and he's done. At the end of the day he is at the end of his career. Some of us still think he is good enough in a 2-3 year window, especially if the offense keeps growing and he gets protected. And it's not like there is not good evidence to argue that fact. I and others think he is still good enough. I and others don't see any better option for next year. Why can't we just agree to disagree? lol
It doesn't matter how sure we are that we're right, we could (ALL of us here) actually be wrong.
Now he's taking to calling other posters shit stains for disagreeing with him.
But he's not emotional at all.
awful...
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in the second half. It was a joke at some point and we were beaten by a much better team.
Moving on from this historical period of the team that has no relevance whatsoever on this thread.
Except of course for a few to cling on to memories of yesteryear when our HOF QB threw a few good passes that were dropped.
Of course you want to move on, you’re argument sucks. For as much as you give Britt shit you are so far on the other extreme and just as bad.
And I’m not clinging at all to 2016, simply correcting the absurd take that not scoring more points in the 1st half has no impact on the 2nd half. Just awful.
the post wasnt to you. Nor is my argument what you are screaming about.
The comment was Eli was good enough to beat GB...and he wasn't. The Giants had drops that caused TDs to be FGs..got it...I am briefed. But they also had 3 more qtrs to make up for it and did nothing on Offense and Defense. That is why they lost. They lost to a team that was better all-around including at QB.
If you want to hypothesize some "lost ring" because of two dropped passes early in this outing or that Eli didn't have time to make up for it or even score a point in the 4thQTR then you are on drugs. Was every single play in the game directly impacted back to these dropped passes? They lost 38-13 and the offense did about what they normally did back then, not score much.
Actually, no - GB was not "better all around"
The Giants defense was better in 2016 and it wasn't even that close. GB had a bottom 3rd unit and ours was top 5. Unless we're going to move the goalposts to make it just about the one game and ignore everything else.
And no one is hypothesizing a "lost ring" - please don't complain about arguments that go nowhere if you're going to constantly use straw men and sarcasm as an argumentative tactic. It's transparent garbage.
They had nice momentum in second half of the season but when a real QB like Rodgers was facing them...they were exposed.
But hey lets focus on what matters...
That's an interesting POV, especially since Lauletta wasn't on the team until six months after McAdoo was fired.
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this: If McAdoo wasn't such an assclown we'd have found out what Lalitta could do & maybe this would've not be an issue of taking in the 1st rd.
That's an interesting POV, especially since Lauletta wasn't on the team until six months after McAdoo was fired.
He means Lalitta. The QB on the practice squad from Gupton-Jones College of Funeral Service.
Usually you know our roster very well... ;)