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NFT: Phillies closing on a deal for Realmuto

DanMetroMan : 2/7/2019 11:22 am
It's believed Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro will both be involved. Love to bang on Jeter and we'll see the final outcome but to land those 2 (at minimum), the Marlins did a great job after all the mocking.
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RE: It's a consequence of the sale...  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14290217 Dunedin81 said:
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the winning group didn't have as much money behind them as most owners, the revenue streams were modest, and they had no farm system to speak of. Losing Fernandez stung, but the real problem was the sale.


Should have sold to Kushner. I wonder if that would have been a conflict of interest of some type. Didn't W own the Rangers while his father was president?
Of the Fangraphs Top 12 Miami prospects...  
Dunedin81 : 2/7/2019 3:25 pm : link
Only four were signed (draft or IFA) by the Marlins and two of those (Mesa and Connor Scott) were signed in the last year.
RE: Guzman, Garrett and Rogers...  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14290239 Dunedin81 said:
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all of whose stocks are sliding right now, but all of whom had (and have) high upside.


Garrett and Rogers were both drafted before the sale and not sure how hard either throws, but I was talking about their strategy (or complete lack of) through the process of the dumpage of all their talent. I see what you're saying in that Guzman, Alcantara, and Sanchez all fit the high velocity lotto ticket profile, but I still think that's an unbelievably weak return for what they gave up. Certainly nowhere near what Atlanta was able to stockpile selling up far lesser MLB talent.
Sure...  
Dunedin81 : 2/7/2019 3:57 pm : link
I get that Stanton required a reckoning with the money, that Brinson was a gamble that simply hasn't paid off and that nobody quite expected Yelich to be THIS good, but you would expect significant improvement on the farm if you trade four All Stars. Heck, the Yankees sold two relievers (one for three months) and a couple aging veterans and got significantly more in return.
buyer beware on sixto  
capone : 2/7/2019 4:20 pm : link
he is small and has had neck/shoulder and elbow issues already .. of course Philly downplayed the injuries and we were all gonna see the real Sixto in the Arizona Fall League and then they pulled him from that after missing the last half of the last half of the season as a "precaution" , yet he has been mentioned in every deal with them .. I think they know something...
Oh no  
allstarjim : 2/8/2019 2:41 am : link
Realmuto's .653 OPS and 0 HRs against the Mets last year are going to the Phils.

In 52 PAs past year against Mets, he was a non-factor. There is no hand-wringing here
RE: Oh no  
Jay on the Island : 2/8/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14290505 allstarjim said:
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Realmuto's .653 OPS and 0 HRs against the Mets last year are going to the Phils.

In 52 PAs past year against Mets, he was a non-factor. There is no hand-wringing here

A division rival acquires the best catcher in baseball and it’s no big deal because of a 52 at bat sample size? If the Mets acquired Realmuto without giving up MLB ready players then you would be ecstatic. This is not good for either of our teams.
Phillies with  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 9:03 am : link
Realmuto don't scare me that much. If they add Harper, they become scarier. But they still wouldn't be as good as the Nats assortment of talent the last few years. Their bullpen and rotation are not in the same stratosphere as the Mets.
If the Phillies add Harper they're on par with the Brave's lineup  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 9:10 am : link
and a major threat for the division. Just having Nola probably pushes them past the Braves and up to the level of Mets/Nats. The over/under for wins Realmuto/Harper would be worth has to be north of 10. And that number is being added to a team that won 80 last year and was already projected to improve.

Both those teams are behind the Mets/Nats pitching staffs but it won't make the division any less of a bloodbath in the regular season.

If the Phillies go nuts and add some combo of Harper + Keuchel + Kimbrel they'd have a legitimate claim as division favorites.
If the Phillies get Harper....  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 9:13 am : link
their lineup would be...

Hernandez
Segura
Harper
Hoskins
Realmuto
Franco (if they dont get Moose or Machado)
McCutchen
Quinn/Herrera

Thats pretty nasty.
I think Phillies rotation is  
Metnut : 2/8/2019 9:23 am : link
underrated. Nick Pivetta looks poised for a Wheeler type of breakout this year. Any of you dudes who play fantasy baseball, draft Pivetta as a breakout/sleeper.
RE: If the Phillies get Harper....  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14290578 dep026 said:
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their lineup would be...

Hernandez
Segura
Harper
Hoskins
Realmuto
Franco (if they dont get Moose or Machado)
McCutchen
Quinn/Herrera

Thats pretty nasty.


It is. I still like Atlanta's a little bit better, especially if you factor in defense too, but it's close. In that ballpark Philly would probably score more.
Don't forget there were rumors that they asked about Joc Pederson too  
rich in DC : 2/8/2019 9:28 am : link
He'd be a platoon guy.
RE: I think Phillies rotation is  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14290599 Metnut said:
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underrated. Nick Pivetta looks poised for a Wheeler type of breakout this year. Any of you dudes who play fantasy baseball, draft Pivetta as a breakout/sleeper.


Their rotation isn't bad but I don't love the BP. Robertson is a little prone to home runs so not sure he was the best fit for them.

I think the Mets have best BP and tied with Nats for best rotation, but probably weakest every day lineup at the moment. Or at least most dependent on needing a few career years.
Braves have the best lineup but weakest pitching staff.
Phillies don't currently have the best anything, but they're within range in all areas so it aill depends on what other big moves they make. If they add Kimbrel they could have a better BP than the Mets. If they add Harper their lineup is up their with the Braves. Keuchel probably still doesn't give them a better rotation than Mets/Nats, but it sure helps.

Nats are the most well rounded. They have 3 legitimate everyday stars to carry their lineup, 3 legitimate cy young candidates to carry their rotation, and a BP that should be good enough in the regular season.
If Seranthony takes the next step  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 9:41 am : link
their bullpen could be huge for them...

Robertson
Dominguez
Neshek
Morgan (he can either be great or awful)
Arano
Hunter
Alverez

is actually pretty deep and versatile.
So Eric...  
Metnut : 2/8/2019 9:41 am : link
I think you're saying the NL East is going to be interesting this year?

Sure going to be entertaining to see Mets play ATL/WSH/PHi for 50 or so games this year.
For amusement, may want to check out the Yankee thread  
Shecky : 2/8/2019 9:41 am : link
Mets fans always complain the team should spend, like the Yankees
Yankees fans are complaining about being cheap, and should spend like the Sox
RE: If Seranthony takes the next step  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14290636 dep026 said:
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their bullpen could be huge for them...

Robertson
Dominguez
Neshek
Morgan (he can either be great or awful)
Arano
Hunter
Alverez

is actually pretty deep and versatile.


Yeah I just don't love the Robertson fit. Love him as the #2/3 guy in the pen, not as comfortable with him as the #1/2. If Dominguez continues improving it's less of a worry, but between his slight tendency with the long ball and having to step into a more prominent role, I think there's a little risk of underperformance there.
RE: So Eric...  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14290637 Metnut said:
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I think you're saying the NL East is going to be interesting this year?

Sure going to be entertaining to see Mets play ATL/WSH/PHi for 50 or so games this year.


Yea it's going to be messy. Fingers crossed Machado and Harper find teams in different divisions. And Keuchel. And Kimbrel.
RE: RE: If Seranthony takes the next step  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14290687 Eric on Li said:
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Yeah I just don't love the Robertson fit. Love him as the #2/3 guy in the pen, not as comfortable with him as the #1/2. If Dominguez continues improving it's less of a worry, but between his slight tendency with the long ball and having to step into a more prominent role, I think there's a little risk of underperformance there.


Arano is the guy that I think takes the next step. Anthony has the stuff to dominate but Arano has more of a bulldog mentality and he was reaching in the upper 90s last year. I am expecting him to be a big time reliever this year.
I don't see a lot of the Marlins...  
BillKo : 2/8/2019 4:54 pm : link
....so I'm going on reports.

Is Realmuto really that good? I looked at his stats...ehhhhh.

Just for comparison, I expected to see a Buster Posey type stat line from his hey day......

In fact, is he better than Posey?
RE: Aw man  
81_Great_Dane : 2/8/2019 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14289903 Greg from LI said:
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The Phillies are passing up on the chance of making history - they could have been the only franchise to ever have TWO Sixtos!

Sixto, kid, was a friend of mine.
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