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BigBlueJ : 2/7/2019 6:35 pm
Slow off-season day...

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RE: RE: That's a strange..  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14290665 antdog24 said:
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Go back watch that game and see how many wide open receivers he missed and get back to me. Douchebag


Why dont you tell us how many with video evidence?
RE: RE: RE: That's a strange..  
antdog24 : 2/8/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14290668 dep026 said:
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In comment 14290665 antdog24 said:


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Go back watch that game and see how many wide open receivers he missed and get back to me. Douchebag



Why dont you tell us how many with video evidence?


You're trying to disprove me, post it up.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That's a strange..  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14290671 antdog24 said:
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You're trying to disprove me, post it up.


No I am not. You made the accusation, we want to see the error in our ways.
I think if you make a claim it is up to you to prove it  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 10:07 am : link
but kinda asinine to ask what he did. Like we all have the all 22 laying around and have time to cut and upload.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2019 10:10 am : link
if all one has to do to "prove" something is say they watched a game and Eli locked into his receivers and missed a bunch of them all game long, what's the standard for disproving the horseshit?

I've been on BBI long enough not to trust too much in what people say they see.
RE: LOL..  
Britt in VA : 2/8/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14290683 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if all one has to do to "prove" something is say they watched a game and Eli locked into his receivers and missed a bunch of them all game long, what's the standard for disproving the horseshit?

I've been on BBI long enough not to trust too much in what people say they see.


Facts, douchebag.
RE: RE: LOL..  
antdog24 : 2/8/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14290684 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14290683 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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if all one has to do to "prove" something is say they watched a game and Eli locked into his receivers and missed a bunch of them all game long, what's the standard for disproving the horseshit?

I've been on BBI long enough not to trust too much in what people say they see.



Facts, douchebag.

At least we can agree he's a douchebag.
The idea..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2019 10:16 am : link
that any QB locks into a target all game long at anything above the HS level is an asinine comment.

You tell me you are watching the game and can see where the QB is staring, and this is what you are focusing on when watching the game? Even scouts have to go back and watch film to figure out if QB's made good decisions or "stared down" receivers.

Unless I'm specifically focused on looking for something, I can't see those types of things in real time, nor would I be able to spend an entire game focusing on it.

Of course I call bullshit. Then seeing the source, I call double bullshit.
RE: The idea..  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14290695 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that any QB locks into a target all game long at anything above the HS level is an asinine comment.

You tell me you are watching the game and can see where the QB is staring, and this is what you are focusing on when watching the game? Even scouts have to go back and watch film to figure out if QB's made good decisions or "stared down" receivers.

Unless I'm specifically focused on looking for something, I can't see those types of things in real time, nor would I be able to spend an entire game focusing on it.

Of course I call bullshit. Then seeing the source, I call double bullshit.


I love the fact posters say "x" person is wide open... when they dont take into consideration where the QB is looking, under and over the top coverages, and how the defense reacts once the ball was thrown.

I guaranteed Eli missed a few WRs that game. All QBs do. But all game long? Lol.... ok.
RE: The idea..  
antdog24 : 2/8/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14290695 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that any QB locks into a target all game long at anything above the HS level is an asinine comment.

You tell me you are watching the game and can see where the QB is staring, and this is what you are focusing on when watching the game? Even scouts have to go back and watch film to figure out if QB's made good decisions or "stared down" receivers.

Unless I'm specifically focused on looking for something, I can't see those types of things in real time, nor would I be able to spend an entire game focusing on it.

Of course I call bullshit. Then seeing the source, I call double bullshit.

And you're still a double douchebag. I'm just saying what I saw, I don't give a fat fuck what you believe. Go be an internet tough guy on another thread with another poster.
Eli has never been a guy to stare down his receivers  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 10:19 am : link
Although in his shell shocked years it seems to pop up from time to time. To make a statement that Eli is staring down receivers all game makes him sound like Davis fucking Webb.
I SAW WHAT A I SAW.............  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:20 am : link
(on a 42 inch non HD TV with 20 other people in the room.)
Based..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2019 10:20 am : link
on your response, it seems very likely that you do give a fat fuck.

You also sound like a fucking moron, but that's par for the course.
lol  
Britt in VA : 2/8/2019 10:22 am : link
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RE: I SAW WHAT A I SAW.............  
antdog24 : 2/8/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14290705 dep026 said:
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(on a 42 inch non HD TV with 20 other people in the room.)

Jerkoff, I was at the game, 1st row end zone... where were you?
How did you see where Eli was looking when his back was to you....  
Britt in VA : 2/8/2019 10:23 am : link
for half the game?
RE: RE: I SAW WHAT A I SAW.............  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14290710 antdog24 said:
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In comment 14290705 dep026 said:


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(on a 42 inch non HD TV with 20 other people in the room.)


Jerkoff, I was at the game, 1st row end zone... where were you?


I was in box seats with the Giants brass.
lol  
antdog24 : 2/8/2019 10:25 am : link
dicks the whole lot of ya!
RE: How did you see where Eli was looking when his back was to you....  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14290713 Britt in VA said:
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for half the game?


Come on, no doubt a man who SAW WHAT HE SAW. Especially with 10-15 beers in him.
BAH HA..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2019 10:33 am : link
fucking classic!

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How did you see where Eli was looking when his back was to you....
Britt in VA : 10:23 am : link : reply
for half the game?
RE: RE: RE: I SAW WHAT A I SAW.............  
JCin332 : 2/8/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14290717 dep026 said:
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In comment 14290705 dep026 said:


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(on a 42 inch non HD TV with 20 other people in the room.)


Jerkoff, I was at the game, 1st row end zone... where were you?



I was in box seats with the Giants brass.


Please dep its Jints Central




-bc
Crap..bw  
JCin332 : 2/8/2019 11:01 am : link
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RE: The fact I'm still being told I'm wrong by multiple people  
Mayhap : 2/8/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14290592 Zeke's Alibi said:
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When a quick Google search proves opposite pretty much sums this place up in a nutshell. Yes literally now means figuratively for all you Grammer Nazis out there.


It's "grammar". Literally.
Eli has always had a problem staring down receivers  
GoBlue6599 : 2/8/2019 12:14 pm : link
Thatís why he has 240 career ints..Guys like Darren Sharper and Asante Samuel picked off Eli all the time seemingly. We got lucky in the 2007 Super Bowl where Samuel dropped a INT thrown right to him on that final drive
The Eli homers will tell you itís Gilbride the receivers etc. everyone else and not the guy throwing the ball
fuck  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 12:15 pm : link
it must be recess time.
RE: RE: The fact I'm still being told I'm wrong by multiple people  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14290880 Mayhap said:
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In comment 14290592 Zeke's Alibi said:


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When a quick Google search proves opposite pretty much sums this place up in a nutshell. Yes literally now means figuratively for all you Grammer Nazis out there.



It's "grammar". Literally.


I misspelled grammar. You got me.
RE: RE: The fact I'm still being told I'm wrong by multiple people  
Canton : 2/8/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14290880 Mayhap said:
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In comment 14290592 Zeke's Alibi said:


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When a quick Google search proves opposite pretty much sums this place up in a nutshell. Yes literally now means figuratively for all you Grammer Nazis out there.



It's "grammar". Literally.


Fukin guy is getting a thorough beating. Holy fuck😂
Love Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 2/8/2019 12:45 pm : link
I know you throw me in the hater crowd. I LOVE the guy, jersey in the closet. He just isn't the same. Look at his feet in this clip. I watched yours..The first throw to Shepard is short, look how open he is, could have have been a TD. The second pass in your video, every high school QB could make, Engram is wide open. The third pass is a nice throw. For a video trying to say he still has "it" there is not enough current evidence to make the case. Of course he has some good highlights, Blake Bortles does too. I miss the guy from 2011, he could make big time throws while getting killed. He was the best players on the field in San Francisco, made everyone around him better. He is never the best player on the field anymore.
Fearless - ( New Window )
Clip I posted above  
Thegratefulhead : 2/8/2019 12:52 pm : link
Pass 10 minutes in to Bradshaw...That is the guy right there. all fucking heart.
RE: Love Eli  
Now Mike in MD : 2/8/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14290925 Thegratefulhead said:
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I know you throw me in the hater crowd. I LOVE the guy, jersey in the closet. He just isn't the same. Look at his feet in this clip. I watched yours..The first throw to Shepard is short, look how open he is, could have have been a TD. The second pass in your video, every high school QB could make, Engram is wide open. The third pass is a nice throw. For a video trying to say he still has "it" there is not enough current evidence to make the case. Of course he has some good highlights, Blake Bortles does too. I miss the guy from 2011, he could make big time throws while getting killed. He was the best players on the field in San Francisco, made everyone around him better. He is never the best player on the field anymore. Fearless - ( New Window )


Nobody is claiming he is still the best player on the field. Nor does he have to be. And btw nor is he paid to be. His salary this year is probably ried for the 10th sport and barely making than the likes of Alex Smith, Keenum, and Bortles. The question to me is if you have a good OL with a run-centric offense using play action off that, can Eli and the offense be effective. The second half of the season answers that with a resounding yes. Even with an OL that had only improved to mediocre, this offense scored a lot of points and eli was successful and the offense scored a lot of points. Improve the OL and that makes SB even more effective, which in turn, makes Eli even more effective.
RE: RE: Love Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 2/8/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14290954 Now Mike in MD said:
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In comment 14290925 Thegratefulhead said:


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I know you throw me in the hater crowd. I LOVE the guy, jersey in the closet. He just isn't the same. Look at his feet in this clip. I watched yours..The first throw to Shepard is short, look how open he is, could have have been a TD. The second pass in your video, every high school QB could make, Engram is wide open. The third pass is a nice throw. For a video trying to say he still has "it" there is not enough current evidence to make the case. Of course he has some good highlights, Blake Bortles does too. I miss the guy from 2011, he could make big time throws while getting killed. He was the best players on the field in San Francisco, made everyone around him better. He is never the best player on the field anymore. Fearless - ( New Window )



Nobody is claiming he is still the best player on the field. Nor does he have to be. And btw nor is he paid to be. His salary this year is probably ried for the 10th sport and barely making than the likes of Alex Smith, Keenum, and Bortles. The question to me is if you have a good OL with a run-centric offense using play action off that, can Eli and the offense be effective. The second half of the season answers that with a resounding yes. Even with an OL that had only improved to mediocre, this offense scored a lot of points and eli was successful and the offense scored a lot of points. Improve the OL and that makes SB even more effective, which in turn, makes Eli even more effective.
It is possible you are correct. It is also possible that the teams we were playing and circumstances around those games lead to our late season success. I think Eli starts in 2019 and we will find out. I am not terribly interested in what happened after 1-7, we failed miserably when the games mattered. There is no carry over from one season to the next.
RE: The fact I'm still being told I'm wrong by multiple people  
mrvax : 2/8/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14290592 Zeke's Alibi said:
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When a quick Google search proves opposite pretty much sums this place up in a nutshell. Yes literally now means figuratively for all you Grammer Nazis out there.


Not in my book.
LMAO  
montanagiant : 2/8/2019 2:48 pm : link
This thread is hilarious
RE: Eli has always had a problem staring down receivers  
Thegratefulhead : 2/8/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14290882 GoBlue6599 said:
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Thatís why he has 240 career ints..Guys like Darren Sharper and Asante Samuel picked off Eli all the time seemingly. We got lucky in the 2007 Super Bowl where Samuel dropped a INT thrown right to him on that final drive
The Eli homers will tell you itís Gilbride the receivers etc. everyone else and not the guy throwing the ball
Eli homers? You can't blame the QB for the team's poor play because it is arguably the most important position on all of team sports and not give the QB credit when the team wins the championship. Eli was a HoF QB during his prime, he just isn't anymore.
RE: LMAO  
Thegratefulhead : 2/8/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14291076 montanagiant said:
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This thread is hilarious
I know right? Whenever I see some dude critique someone's grammar or spelling on football fan site I feel sorry for their wife.
Other receivers are wide open and being missed by Eli?  
SHO'NUFF : 2/8/2019 3:11 pm : link
So now the casual viewer knows the progressions? For all intensive purposes, irregardless, there are a bunch of pre-Madonnas in here.
RE: Other receivers are wide open and being missed by Eli?  
mrvax : 2/8/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14291109 SHO'NUFF said:
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So now the casual viewer knows the progressions? For all intensive purposes, irregardless, there are a bunch of pre-Madonnas in here.


LOL "Mock my words!"
RE: RE: LMAO  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14291101 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 14291076 montanagiant said:


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This thread is hilarious

I know right? Whenever I see some dude critique someone's grammar or spelling on football fan site I feel sorry for their wife.


Exactly...he didn't like my post so he decides to attack my use of literally (erroneously) to make it seem like I'm some uneducated moron who shouldn't be taken seriously. It is the shittiest of human behavior.
Videos Aside  
Lambuth_Special : 2/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
Almost every advanced metric - from QBR to DYAR - has Eli ranked somewhere in the 22-27 range every season from 2016-2018.

If you think all advanced stats are junk, fine, but then there's the issue of age. It's still within the realm of possibility - with a better OL and another year in the scheme - that Eli can improve and play around league average or slightly above it at age 38.

The number of QBs who have put together great seasons at age 39, however, are few and far between. Brady and Moon did it (physical freaks), and Brees just did it but fell off pretty hard in the 2nd half of the season and in the playoffs. Elway, Montana, Simms, Warner, and Marino all retired after their age 38 seasons (to clarify: the seasons where they were 38 when the first game was played).

If the Giants don't love a QB in this draft or want Eli to start and mentor a rookie, by all means have him play out his contract. Any commitment to 2020 and beyond, however, would be ill-advised.

Also, I would recommend having tempered expectations about first half vs. second half of season performances. As other posters have pointed out, second half performances rarely carry over, and usually the better indicator is the entire 16 game sample.
RE: Eli has always had a problem staring down receivers  
RinR : 2/8/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14290882 GoBlue6599 said:
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We got lucky in the 2007 Super Bowl where Samuel dropped a INT thrown right to him on that final drive


See, this is text book Eli hate. I'm sure you were very disappointed Samuel "dropped" that INT.
This thread is something else.  
Mad Mike : 2/8/2019 4:21 pm : link
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I love..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/8/2019 4:41 pm : link
the gif that actually shows Samuel couldn't even get a fingertip on the ball at the height of his jump:

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We got lucky in the 2007 Super Bowl where Samuel dropped a INT thrown right to him on that final drive


5 years from now, some of these fucking schmucks will be talking about how Samuel was hit in the numbers and cost the Pats a win!
RE: RE: Eli has always had a problem staring down receivers  
GoBlue6599 : 2/8/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14291094 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 14290882 GoBlue6599 said:


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Thatís why he has 240 career ints..Guys like Darren Sharper and Asante Samuel picked off Eli all the time seemingly. We got lucky in the 2007 Super Bowl where Samuel dropped a INT thrown right to him on that final drive
The Eli homers will tell you itís Gilbride the receivers etc. everyone else and not the guy throwing the ball

Eli homers? You can't blame the QB for the team's poor play because it is arguably the most important position on all of team sports and not give the QB credit when the team wins the championship. Eli was a HoF QB during his prime, he just isn't anymore.

I said we got lucky he wasnít picked by Samuel,I never not gave Eli credit he was tremendous in the playoffs after leading the league in INT that season.. Eli was never a HOF QB never all pro never league MVP never even received votes for the MVP in any year, letís not re write history . Giants HOF yes pro football HOF I doubt it no matter how many times this message board calls him one
RE: At the cowboys game  
djm : 2/8/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14290619 antdog24 said:
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I watched Eli stare down his receiver after the snap all game. Now does he have a case of David Carr Syndrome? Is the trust in his line so bad that he doesn't want to take the time to look off his receivers? I don't know... but that's the biggest thing I noticed this season, he's not seeing the field the same way, it appears he has slowed down in that aspect.


He hung 30 on one of the better defenses in that game. Might want to pick a different game than that one.
One thing to keep in mind about last year  
Dave on the UWS : 2/8/2019 7:53 pm : link
Eli and the whole offense were trying to ďfigure it outĒ the first half of the year (as their coach and GM expected). So I would look at how they performed against the better defenses in the second half of the year for an indication of what the offense ďcouldĒ do. If most of the starters return their would be some carryover because of familiarity.
From what I saw,  
Doomster : 2/8/2019 9:18 pm : link
It does look like he stared down receivers....

And I believe a few DB's, mentioned that during the year.....and no, I do not have their names, but I do remember a few stating they followed Eli'a eyes, because that was where the ball was going...
A kid who was picking his nose  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 11:37 pm : link
And eating it when the Giants won 2 SBs... is now telling ripple wht Eli is and isnít. 19 years old now. 7 when we won our first super bowl. 11 years old when we won our 2nd...

But he knew what a HOF qb was when his mommy was reading him a bedtime story. Fucking classic.
Yeesh such a touchy subject here  
GiantGrit : 2/9/2019 2:00 am : link
He's average now. This is what happens when players decline, they occasionally show you glimpses of the past. He's still capable of having awesome games, but far less frequently.

Personally, i don't want to see him back because i think we are definitely picking a quarterback. Eli does not deserve a mid season benching and it very well may happen if they do, in fact, take a highly ranked qb. Maybe they take a hard line stance and say he will finish this year out. Who knows.

If they shore up the line some more, he'll be serviceable. He really isn't the biggest issue right now nor is he close. Our defense is swiss cheese right now.

I put blame on the front office. They tried making him into Aaron Rodgers. They picked an offensive system that does not fit his game. No one talks about this - even aside from the offensive line being bad, Eli's strength was never short routes.

BUT, they finally woke up in the 2nd half and realized power run game with a heavy dose of play action works. Shurmur had a good gameplan against Jacksonsville but got away from it.

It bothers me to no end we have a top 5 wr and rb and the offense still struggles. If we're gonna suck i want to at least be entertained haha.

The last thing people will want us to take in the draft is a tight end, but man this team could use a stud dual threat tight end in a bad way. Belichick really loved him some Bavaro huh. Gronk is an absolute beast in the run game.
Oh man, this thread is a riot  
exiled : 2/9/2019 9:09 am : link
Almost spewed my coffee laughing. A few times. Literally.
RE: Other receivers are wide open and being missed by Eli?  
GeofromNJ : 2/10/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14291109 SHO'NUFF said:
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So now the casual viewer knows the progressions? For all intensive purposes, irregardless, there are a bunch of pre-Madonnas in here.

This is sho'nuff a keeper.
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