Top 43:
1. DT Quennin Williams (6.70)
2. OLB Josh Allen (6.70)
3. DT Jeffery Simmons (6.62)
4. OLB Nick Bosa (6.52)
5. DT Rashan Gary (6.37)
6. TE T.J. Hockenson (6.35)
7. WR D.K. Metcalf (6.33)
8. OLB Montez Sweat (6.32)
9. RB Josh Jacobs (6.31)
10. LT Jonah Williams (6.30)
11. WR Marquise "Hollywood" Brown (6.29)
12. OLB Jochai Polite (6.27)
13. DT Ed Oliver (6.26)
14. QB Dwayne Haskins (6.25)
15. QB Kyler Murray (6.24)
16. CB Greedy Williams (6.21)
17. ILB Devin White (6.20)
18. LT Andre Dillard (6.19)
19. DT Dexter Lawrence (6.17)
20. CB DeAndre Baker (6.15)
21. RT Jawaan Taylor (6.14)
22. DE Clelin Ferrell (6.13)
23. DT Christian Wilkins (6.12)
24. DE Jaylon Ferguson (6.11)
25. RT/C Dalton Risner (6.10)
26. CB Julian Love (6.10)
27. RT/RG Cody Ford (6.09)
28. WR A.J. Brown (6.08)
29. RB Devin Singletary (6.07)
30. QB Drew Lock (6.05)
31. TE Irv Smith (6.04)
32. DT Jerry Tillery (6.03)
33. DT Dre'mont Jones (6.01)
34. ILB Devin Bush (5.99)
35. ILB Mack Wilson (5.98)
36. WR Deebo Samuel (5.96)
37. CB Byron Murphy (5.95)
38. LT Greg Little (5.95)
39. OLB Brian Burns (5.94)
40. SS Jonathan Abram (5.94)
41. SS Taylor Rapp (5.91)
42. RB David Montgomery (5.89)
43. QB Daniel Jones (5.88)
Key:
9.00-10 - Once-in-lifetime player
8.00-8.99 - Perennial All Pro
7.50-7.99 - Future All Pro
7.00-7.49 - Pro Bowl-calibre player
6.50-6.99 - Chance to become Pro Bowl-calibre player
6.00-6.49 - Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 - Chance to become NFL starter
Given the key, doesn't seem like NFL.com thinks too highly of this draft class.
I must admit if Devin Bush lasts until the 2nd round.... the Giants should run to the podium. Him and Ogletree would be a great fit together.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
Lol, this is true.
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects - ( New Window )
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
So just asking for personal opinion.... would it be wiser to invest in the OL? Risk a QB? Or trade down?
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picking at #6.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
So just asking for personal opinion.... would it be wiser to invest in the OL? Risk a QB? Or trade down?
I really like Rashan Gary, provided the team can answer the questions on why he looked so good one season but not so much last season. I'd like one of the edge rushers to measure up at #6, otherwise, I'd look to trade down. Not liking the OL or QB options, so far.
9.00-10 Once in a lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber Player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-Caliber Player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL Starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
5.00 50/50 chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp
No Grade Likely needs time in developmental league
[u]Select 2018 Grades
Barkley - 7.45
Darnold - 7.00
Rosen - 6.19
Mayfield - 6.04
Jackson - 5.91
Allen - 5.90
So NFL.com would have Haskins/Murray as the 2nd/3rd best QB prospects in last years draft. Drew Lock (6.05) would be about even with Mayfield and Daniel Jones (5.88) is roughly on par with Jackson/Allen.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
The top talent certainly doesn't match last years (Chubb = 7.32, Nelson = 7.34, etc), but NFL.com seems pretty conservative with their grades (see Barkley's).
9.00-10 Once in a lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber Player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-Caliber Player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL Starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
5.00 50/50 chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp
No Grade Likely needs time in developmental league
Select 2018 Grades
Barkley - 7.45
Darnold - 7.00
Rosen - 6.19
Mayfield - 6.04
Jackson - 5.91
Allen - 5.90
So NFL.com would have Haskins/Murray as the 2nd/3rd best QB prospects in last years draft. Drew Lock (6.05) would be about even with Mayfield and Daniel Jones (5.88) is roughly on par with Jackson/Allen.
I really like Rashan Gary, provided the team can answer the questions on why he looked so good one season but not so much last season. I'd like one of the edge rushers to measure up at #6, otherwise, I'd look to trade down. Not liking the OL or QB options, so far.
Here's the thing with Gary that people dont see if they dont watch Michigan each week.
The defense wasnt built aroudn individual success. It never has been with Mattison and Dom Brown. Garys job was to occupy gaps and blockers to let the blitzers and other defenders get 1 on 1 situations. Thats why Bush and Mike McCrary were so good at getting to the QB.
When you throw in the shoulder injury he sustained pre-season.... you can see why his "stats" arent out of this world. But the Michigan defense had multitude of guys who racked up sacks and tackles.
Winovich, Dwamofour, Ugobe, and Pane all had success during the year.
And Ill stand by that I think Gary is the best run defender in the draft which is going to help his cause. If his shoulder chekcs out, I am afraid he may go 2nd overall.
And the homer in me has him better than Bosa too.
Interesting that he has my 'dark horses' Deal and Van Ginkel rated.
Disagree of his rating (lack of) on LB T.J Edwards. Not sure of his ceiling (compared to Van Ginkel) but has a nice NFL calibre floor.
I think Jones grade is pretty accurate, but someone like the Giants May trade into the bottom of Round 1 to gain the extra contract year.
If you are going to gamble on a guy, you might as well gamble that you will keep him around for 5 years.
I know TE is not considered a need position for the Giants. But I believe Gettleman will go BPA at number 6. Sure position is always a consideration. Obviously, a RB at 6 doesn't make a lot of sense.
But a potential All Pro true inline TE?
Is he a real possibility at #6?
I haven't seen Hockenson mentioned at all here in BBI Land, in regards to the #6 pick.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I'm thinking this guy at #6 might be a winning pick.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
Well, the players listed ahead of them aren't much more special according these grades, either. I'd think that would put the QBs in play as its not some huge reach to take a player like Haskins at 6.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
Well here's hoping if the Giants aren't sold on one of the QBs, two teams are and trade up to get them before the Giants pick at 6. Pre combine, it's the only way I see one of the top 4 dropping to them.
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picking at #6.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
Well, the players listed ahead of them aren't much more special according these grades, either. I'd think that would put the QBs in play as its not some huge reach to take a player like Haskins at 6.
My point was to those banging the drum here for those players as no-brainer picks. There's really no blue chip options this year, unlike last year. All drafts are not created equal, and this #6 value is weaker, imv.
Grabbing the best QB available doesn't inspire me.
If the QB position is the most important, why would you want one who isnt ranked that high? If the Giants brass see the best QB as nothing more than an average starter- you still want to take him? Makes no sense.
If you swing and miss on a QB, the overall effect on the team than missing out on a DL or OT is massive.
38. LT Greg Little (5.95)
39. OLB Brian Burns (5.94)
These three should be a lot higher. Burns is my third best ER behind Bosa and Allen, Little has the POTENTIAL and TOOLS to be a top OT in the NFL and Murphy is my #1 CB in the Draft.
Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
Colin from GBN was on here yesterday saying many NFL people would have ranked Haskins over all the QBs in last year’s draft. Yes, it might not compare with next year’s crop, but even then Colin said Haskins would fall squarely within the top ten.
And Boss: you could analyze it your way. You could also say that Haskins is ranked about a tenth of a point from the 5th best player in the draft - a marginal difference - meaning the Giants should likely lean that way.
I guess its a sucky draft year this year.
This grading system is absolutely ridiculous!
Trying to distinguish college players between Future and Perennial All Pro and "once in a lifetime" using full points is moronic.
Instead, they separate guys by .01 of a point. LOL.
The workout warriors will move up but they aren't playing football at the Combine.
I find their grades in general to be wildly inconsistent from one year to the next.
I find their grades in general to be wildly inconsistent from one year to the next.
That is the problem with these grades. I want to know why they knocked Mayfield. What were the knocks on him other knocks and his size and "character" issues? How they grade Murray higher than Mayfield is strange to me, especially with the limited interviews I've seen him do I would not be surprised if his Wonderlic isn't up to par.
lol, its like clockwork - because it happens every day.
lol, its like clockwork - because it happens every day.
This is a Giants forum and we have the 6th pick and I'd put everything I own on the fact that we are going to draft a QB this year or next. Why wouldn't it turn into a QB discussion?
lol, its like clockwork - because it happens every day.
Agree...it's very tiresome.
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
and over again....
Haskins is a 6.25. Yet some people here want absolutely nothing to do with Haskins?
They are taking the whole picture into account. Their background, work ethic, projection, leadership...all that stuff. Every site has different rankings, and most of the time, they are always incorrect. Plenty of guys outperform their projections, plenty of guys under perform. It's about taking a high ceiling/low floor player at the early picks who display the ability to be a pro bowl caliber player. If someone can explain to me why Haskins won't be a good NFL player...I'll gladly listen.
Other things I found interesting...
Was it really important to include "Hollywood" for Marquis Brown?? I find that so bizarre...
Simmons at #3 makes a lot of sense. And he's correctly rated over Bosa, who I think is overrated.
Hockenson at #6 is a real stretch for me. He's got the goods for sure but hate TEs that high. Am curious to see what he runs in the forty.
Jacobs is getting the love I expected. That kid is the real deal at RB. Would not touch him that high - of course - but he is going to be a player.
Haskins is a 6.25. Yet some people here want absolutely nothing to do with Haskins?
Thanks for this reminder that the rankings are (hopefully informed) opinions.
Very curious to see Sy's opinion on Riz.
You should be in politics. ;)
9.00-10 Once in a lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber Player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-Caliber Player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL Starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
5.00 50/50 chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp
No Grade Likely needs time in developmental league
[u]Select 2018 Grades
Barkley - 7.45
Darnold - 7.00
Rosen - 6.19
Mayfield - 6.04
Jackson - 5.91
Allen - 5.90
So NFL.com would have Haskins/Murray as the 2nd/3rd best QB prospects in last years draft. Drew Lock (6.05) would be about even with Mayfield and Daniel Jones (5.88) is roughly on par with Jackson/Allen.
So they were off on Mayfield.
At 6?
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would be ballsy pick. A true TE who can block well. Would help in both aspects of the offense. Engram could move to the outside.
At 6?
That's where they have him.
That would be a very dumb pick at #6.
Let's be honest...
And the rankings, especially for QBs, will likely change after the Combine and team workouts.
I suspect that we'd have to trade up to land Haskins when all is said and done. Whether he ever pans out is a different story, but that's the draft, a crap shoot.
If you're not sold that one QB is better than another, and you think one or two will drop to the 2nd, then why not grab the top OT in the draft at #6 and whichever QB is left at #38? It makes great sense and provides value, again if you think that Haskins/Lock/Jones are roughly the same and that you would like to have each of them.
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would be ballsy pick. A true TE who can block well. Would help in both aspects of the offense. Engram could move to the outside.
That would be a very dumb pick at #6.
Let's be honest...
Possibly. I don't know, if I could get another Travis Kelce or Jason Witten at 6, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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would be ballsy pick. A true TE who can block well. Would help in both aspects of the offense. Engram could move to the outside.
At 6?
That's where they have him.
So?? Not saying Hock isn't good. He's my top TE. But a TE sixth? I mean how did it work out for Kellen Winslow, Vernon Davis, Eric Ebron before he came to the Colts...
And with the amount of needs on this team, going with a TE would be insane
I was told I was nuts for even suggesting this. Gimme a break with last year’s class already. Some here make that class out to be absolutely irreplaceable. Bullshit!
1. Allen
2. Haskins
3. lock
4. Ferrell
5. Sweat
If My top 3 are gone I can see DG going defense and then getting Stidham in round 2
If we do not draft a QB
Seeing as you insisted that Tim Tebow was a better QB than Cam Newton for years, I'm not sure you're qualified to make this sort of statement.
Would love to see an average of rankings as we get closer to the draft.
2020 picks are the key to this draft. We need assets in that draft to move around and acquire our QB of the future.
What is far more important will be the interviews, etc., and of course the back end of the draft where scouting info is not necessarily as available, particularly with players from the smaller schools.
And I agree with those who said that these numbers themselves, while interesting and spark discussion, are in no way a true evaluation of any individual team. They are not including all of the info a team will have when they make up their boards.
The ratings are VERY conservative by #. Look up Aaron Donald or JJ Watt for example, did either of them break 7.0? Both back to back DPOY award winners, and the only 2 since LT to do that.
JJ Watt was rated 8.37, but they used the scale differently back then or in that particular year. I'll bet you find other guys at or around 8.0 that draft class, because they have not been historically consistent year to year re grade designations.
SCAM aka Fig Newton on the other hand, well we saw that Super Bowl play now didn't we.
Haskins is a 6.25. Yet some people here want absolutely nothing to do with Haskins?
I wanted/want nothing to do with either of them.
It's actually stronger than last year's draft. Only Barkley had a really high grade last year.
What is it about Haskins that makes people think he's going to suck? Inexperience? He got progressively better as the year went on, finishing well against Michigan, Northwestern and Washington. Washington has an excellent defensive staff and NFL talent and he absolutely carved them up at times. He reads zone defenses very well for his age. His demeanor is AWESOME. Exactly what you want in a qb.
I'm not a Haskins homer either. He is by no means perfect. But he threw for 4,800 yards, 50 touchdowns and 8 picks on a 70 % completion percentage. What is the red flag with him that makes people think he is going to be terrible?
Haskins is a 6.25. Yet some people here want absolutely nothing to do with Haskins?
Good post. But think about it really; what does that info tell us? What do these assigned scores really mean? Can we say with any degree of confidence that Haskins is likely to be a better player than Mayfield? Or better than Lock? Or less good than Gary?
A list of numerically graded subjects can't be properly understood or sorted without knowing the confidence intervals associated with those numerical grades.
The comparison you made: that Haskins is rated 0.21 points higher than Mayfield, suggests to me that the 95% confidence interval (95% being the standard often used in stats analysis) is greater than 0.21. Possibly a good bit greater.
Whatever that confidence interval is, you can't properly say that prospect X is better than prospect Y just because he was scored n points higher than Y. You need to see that X-Y > N. (N being the numerical value of the confidence interval at P= 0.95)
And that's why players are in real-life graded on tiers. Which fact gets lost here every year by many of us simpleton football fans.
It's why you grab Saquon Barkley over your highest rated QB when the difference X-Y = 0.5 or some number far greater than the confidence interval N.
And also why, when you need a new replacement franchise QB, you pull the trigger on Haskins (graded 6.25) even though Gary at 6.37 is still on the board. Because Gary and Haskins are really on the same tier unless the difference between their scores is greater than confidence interval N.
People fail to understand this time and time again, and that's assuming all these scores are "correct", which is never really the case anyway.
SCAM aka Fig Newton on the other hand, well we saw that Super Bowl play now didn't we.
This is proof right here that people can convince themselves of anything.. Are you really arguing Tim Tebow is a better NFL QB then Cam Newton?
first off, how is Barkley only a pro bowl caliber? after he DOMINATED the combine and had a great college career. you would think he would have qualified for one of their highest two ranking tiers. the kid is a generational talent.
that being said, these rankings mean shit.
im still on the train of lets see the combine and how these guys measure and test.
I have been saying that since week 16. Giants need to shore up o line. You grab best tackle. Lock wont be there. Jones may or will grier. Id be okay with either . Grier has a cannon, arm strength cant be taught. Accuracy can and he needs a little work, shurmer be perfect. Dont waste a 1st round pick on a qb unless you trade up late 1st to grab jones, who has been linked to patriots in a few mocks.
Haskins is a 6.25. Yet some people here want absolutely nothing to do with Haskins?
Haskins could be good but ohio state qbs dont fair well in NFL. That is a lot of peoples concern. Second, eli is our starter this year and maybe next. We cant do him any more dirty and we need to shore up right side o line. Williams could be our future LT when solder contract expires but for now as a RT he would take over for wheeler. Save the qb pick for next year or you grab the Jones, Grier, 2nd tier qbs, that may still be manageable.
They are taking the whole picture into account. Their background, work ethic, projection, leadership...all that stuff. Every site has different rankings, and most of the time, they are always incorrect. Plenty of guys outperform their projections, plenty of guys under perform. It's about taking a high ceiling/low floor player at the early picks who display the ability to be a pro bowl caliber player. If someone can explain to me why Haskins won't be a good NFL player...I'll gladly listen.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/ohio-state-qbs-in-the-nfl/
Good reason
lol, its like clockwork - because it happens every day.
So what? While we know the oline and dline need major help as does FS and LB, they are more easily corrected. There is no doubt that QB is the one position that is hardest to find and with the 6th pick chances are better for getting that QB(if worthy) this year than next year when they will be picking in the teens with no chance of getting a QB. (with the oline fixed they will be 8-8 or better.)
You make it seem that QB is not a need or the need is grossly overrated. It is a major concern and whether Haskins or Lock is worthy of the #6 pick is huge question. I do not take Murray seriously because of size and baseball.