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NFL.com Releases Initial Draft Grades

mittenedman : 2/8/2019 9:22 am
Top 43:

1. DT Quennin Williams (6.70)
2. OLB Josh Allen (6.70)
3. DT Jeffery Simmons (6.62)
4. OLB Nick Bosa (6.52)
5. DT Rashan Gary (6.37)
6. TE T.J. Hockenson (6.35)
7. WR D.K. Metcalf (6.33)
8. OLB Montez Sweat (6.32)
9. RB Josh Jacobs (6.31)
10. LT Jonah Williams (6.30)
11. WR Marquise "Hollywood" Brown (6.29)
12. OLB Jochai Polite (6.27)
13. DT Ed Oliver (6.26)
14. QB Dwayne Haskins (6.25)
15. QB Kyler Murray (6.24)
16. CB Greedy Williams (6.21)
17. ILB Devin White (6.20)
18. LT Andre Dillard (6.19)
19. DT Dexter Lawrence (6.17)
20. CB DeAndre Baker (6.15)
21. RT Jawaan Taylor (6.14)
22. DE Clelin Ferrell (6.13)
23. DT Christian Wilkins (6.12)
24. DE Jaylon Ferguson (6.11)
25. RT/C Dalton Risner (6.10)
26. CB Julian Love (6.10)
27. RT/RG Cody Ford (6.09)
28. WR A.J. Brown (6.08)
29. RB Devin Singletary (6.07)
30. QB Drew Lock (6.05)
31. TE Irv Smith (6.04)
32. DT Jerry Tillery (6.03)

33. DT Dre'mont Jones (6.01)
34. ILB Devin Bush (5.99)
35. ILB Mack Wilson (5.98)
36. WR Deebo Samuel (5.96)
37. CB Byron Murphy (5.95)
38. LT Greg Little (5.95)
39. OLB Brian Burns (5.94)
40. SS Jonathan Abram (5.94)
41. SS Taylor Rapp (5.91)
42. RB David Montgomery (5.89)
43. QB Daniel Jones (5.88)


Key:

9.00-10 - Once-in-lifetime player
8.00-8.99 - Perennial All Pro
7.50-7.99 - Future All Pro
7.00-7.49 - Pro Bowl-calibre player
6.50-6.99 - Chance to become Pro Bowl-calibre player
6.00-6.49 - Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 - Chance to become NFL starter


Given the key, doesn't seem like NFL.com thinks too highly of this draft class.
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This is why you take the best player  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 9:27 am : link
and not worry about who is replacing who....

I must admit if Devin Bush lasts until the 2nd round.... the Giants should run to the podium. Him and Ogletree would be a great fit together.
So Haskins grades out as just a starter  
The_Boss : 2/8/2019 9:29 am : link
And is the 14th “best” prospect.
I said it another thread  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 9:29 am : link
Barkley Chubb Ward Nelson are way better than the top of the draft this year. I think Haskins will end up going top 5 because those teams at the top will be looking to trade down because of the lack of real top end talent.
My ideal draft would be if the Giants end up with Josh Allen  
nyjuggernaut2 : 2/8/2019 9:29 am : link
but he won't be there at 6, which is why I'm starting to believe they use the pick on a QB. Just praying to God if they do draft a QB, it's a good one, and not some Christian Ponder type bust.
And it looks like a mediocre draft as a whole based on those numbers  
The_Boss : 2/8/2019 9:30 am : link
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NFL.com draft grades  
UberAlias : 2/8/2019 9:33 am : link
Pre combine. So if they draft a QB, it was a reach... because NFL.com said so. Do I have it right?
I'd love to see Williams in the 1st at #6, and then hope for Lock  
PatersonPlank : 2/8/2019 9:35 am : link
or Jones at our 2nd round selection
Four guys that have a chance to be Pro Bowlers  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/8/2019 9:37 am : link
and only 29 that should be immediate starters. ? Ick.
I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
JonC : 2/8/2019 9:37 am : link
picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.
99.9% of BBI  
UberAlias : 2/8/2019 9:39 am : link
only capable of one dimensional decision making.
RE: 99.9% of BBI  
JonC : 2/8/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14290631 UberAlias said:
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only capable of one dimensional decision making.


Lol, this is true.
Link  
Jerry K : 2/8/2019 9:45 am : link
Link
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects - ( New Window )
Depending on how QB's shake out last years first round  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 9:45 am : link
may go down as one of the best ever.
I wonder at what point they would consider  
UberAlias : 2/8/2019 9:46 am : link
dealing up for Lock from round 2, if he slid.
RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14290627 JonC said:
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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.


So just asking for personal opinion.... would it be wiser to invest in the OL? Risk a QB? Or trade down?
Given the reputation of WR's being Diva's...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/8/2019 9:47 am : link
I just laugh at one whose nickname is posted with him on a draft board. You would think the agent might advise him not to do that.
RE: Given the reputation of WR's being Diva's...  
UberAlias : 2/8/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14290646 Dan in the Springs said:
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I just laugh at one whose nickname is posted with him on a draft board. You would think the agent might advise him not to do that.
LOL, good call.
RE: RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
JonC : 2/8/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14290645 dep026 said:
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In comment 14290627 JonC said:


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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.



So just asking for personal opinion.... would it be wiser to invest in the OL? Risk a QB? Or trade down?


I really like Rashan Gary, provided the team can answer the questions on why he looked so good one season but not so much last season. I'd like one of the edge rushers to measure up at #6, otherwise, I'd look to trade down. Not liking the OL or QB options, so far.
for reference  
giants#1 : 2/8/2019 9:52 am : link
Grades[/]
9.00-10 Once in a lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber Player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-Caliber Player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL Starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
5.00 50/50 chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp
No Grade Likely needs time in developmental league

[u]Select 2018 Grades

Barkley - 7.45
Darnold - 7.00
Rosen - 6.19
Mayfield - 6.04
Jackson - 5.91
Allen - 5.90

So NFL.com would have Haskins/Murray as the 2nd/3rd best QB prospects in last years draft. Drew Lock (6.05) would be about even with Mayfield and Daniel Jones (5.88) is roughly on par with Jackson/Allen.
Good to see...  
Strip-Sack : 2/8/2019 9:54 am : link
the draft grade on Simmons, would still love to see him in blue if the character checks out.
RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
giants#1 : 2/8/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14290627 JonC said:
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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.


The top talent certainly doesn't match last years (Chubb = 7.32, Nelson = 7.34, etc), but NFL.com seems pretty conservative with their grades (see Barkley's).
Fixed above post  
giants#1 : 2/8/2019 9:55 am : link
Grades
9.00-10 Once in a lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber Player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-Caliber Player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL Starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
5.00 50/50 chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp
No Grade Likely needs time in developmental league

Select 2018 Grades
Barkley - 7.45
Darnold - 7.00
Rosen - 6.19
Mayfield - 6.04
Jackson - 5.91
Allen - 5.90

So NFL.com would have Haskins/Murray as the 2nd/3rd best QB prospects in last years draft. Drew Lock (6.05) would be about even with Mayfield and Daniel Jones (5.88) is roughly on par with Jackson/Allen.
RE: RE: RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14290651 JonC said:
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I really like Rashan Gary, provided the team can answer the questions on why he looked so good one season but not so much last season. I'd like one of the edge rushers to measure up at #6, otherwise, I'd look to trade down. Not liking the OL or QB options, so far.


Here's the thing with Gary that people dont see if they dont watch Michigan each week.

The defense wasnt built aroudn individual success. It never has been with Mattison and Dom Brown. Garys job was to occupy gaps and blockers to let the blitzers and other defenders get 1 on 1 situations. Thats why Bush and Mike McCrary were so good at getting to the QB.

When you throw in the shoulder injury he sustained pre-season.... you can see why his "stats" arent out of this world. But the Michigan defense had multitude of guys who racked up sacks and tackles.

Winovich, Dwamofour, Ugobe, and Pane all had success during the year.

And Ill stand by that I think Gary is the best run defender in the draft which is going to help his cause. If his shoulder chekcs out, I am afraid he may go 2nd overall.

And the homer in me has him better than Bosa too.
Badgers  
Jay in Toronto : 2/8/2019 10:22 am : link
Agree that Dieter is the best (safest) of their OLs.

Interesting that he has my 'dark horses' Deal and Van Ginkel rated.

Disagree of his rating (lack of) on LB T.J Edwards. Not sure of his ceiling (compared to Van Ginkel) but has a nice NFL calibre floor.
I like draft grade lists but it shows that teams consider need when it  
Ivan15 : 2/8/2019 10:23 am : link
comes time to pick.

I think Jones grade is pretty accurate, but someone like the Giants May trade into the bottom of Round 1 to gain the extra contract year.

If you are going to gamble on a guy, you might as well gamble that you will keep him around for 5 years.
Intrigued by TE T.J. Hockenson  
ij_reilly : 2/8/2019 10:24 am : link
I have to admit, this player really interests me.

I know TE is not considered a need position for the Giants. But I believe Gettleman will go BPA at number 6. Sure position is always a consideration. Obviously, a RB at 6 doesn't make a lot of sense.

But a potential All Pro true inline TE?

Is he a real possibility at #6?

I haven't seen Hockenson mentioned at all here in BBI Land, in regards to the #6 pick.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I'm thinking this guy at #6 might be a winning pick.
RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
Giantology : 2/8/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14290627 JonC said:
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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.


Well, the players listed ahead of them aren't much more special according these grades, either. I'd think that would put the QBs in play as its not some huge reach to take a player like Haskins at 6.
RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
Eman11 : 2/8/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14290627 JonC said:
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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.


Well here's hoping if the Giants aren't sold on one of the QBs, two teams are and trade up to get them before the Giants pick at 6. Pre combine, it's the only way I see one of the top 4 dropping to them.
They  
mdthedream : 2/8/2019 10:33 am : link
are in play and its not much of a difference plus this is without the combine. We will know more soon enough.
RE: RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
JonC : 2/8/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14290719 Giantology said:
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In comment 14290627 JonC said:


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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.



Well, the players listed ahead of them aren't much more special according these grades, either. I'd think that would put the QBs in play as its not some huge reach to take a player like Haskins at 6.


My point was to those banging the drum here for those players as no-brainer picks. There's really no blue chip options this year, unlike last year. All drafts are not created equal, and this #6 value is weaker, imv.

Grabbing the best QB available doesn't inspire me.
I thought Sweat was a darkhorse for our pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 10:35 am : link
when he was considered late teens but I'm starting to think he will be the guy if we don't go QB. He had riser written all over him.
does anyone know where to find this  
ron mexico : 2/8/2019 10:35 am : link
for last year?
The QB  
mdthedream : 2/8/2019 10:38 am : link
is the most important player on the field and if the rating is close that puts the player in play esp a QB. To hope we get one next year of in the second round is crazy. If the Giants like him than they take the QB.
It's pretty funny the people that used this as evidence  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 10:41 am : link
see the QB's suck, but I guess they didn't realize that according to this they would have been number 2 and 3 QBs last year. Thanks for whoever posted last years numbers.
RE: The QB  
dep026 : 2/8/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14290739 mdthedream said:
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is the most important player on the field and if the rating is close that puts the player in play esp a QB. To hope we get one next year of in the second round is crazy. If the Giants like him than they take the QB.


If the QB position is the most important, why would you want one who isnt ranked that high? If the Giants brass see the best QB as nothing more than an average starter- you still want to take him? Makes no sense.

If you swing and miss on a QB, the overall effect on the team than missing out on a DL or OT is massive.
We'll see  
Anakim : 2/8/2019 10:44 am : link
37. CB Byron Murphy (5.95)
38. LT Greg Little (5.95)
39. OLB Brian Burns (5.94)



These three should be a lot higher. Burns is my third best ER behind Bosa and Allen, Little has the POTENTIAL and TOOLS to be a top OT in the NFL and Murphy is my #1 CB in the Draft.
RE: I've been saying it looks like a weaker draft than we'd prefer  
Giants38 : 2/8/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14290627 JonC said:
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picking at #6.

Note where the QBs, Clemson DL, and Oliver are ranked. Not so special.


Colin from GBN was on here yesterday saying many NFL people would have ranked Haskins over all the QBs in last year’s draft. Yes, it might not compare with next year’s crop, but even then Colin said Haskins would fall squarely within the top ten.

And Boss: you could analyze it your way. You could also say that Haskins is ranked about a tenth of a point from the 5th best player in the draft - a marginal difference - meaning the Giants should likely lean that way.
Only 4 guys have a "Chance to become a pro-bowler"  
ZogZerg : 2/8/2019 10:48 am : link
Bummer, Giants are drafting at #6.

I guess its a sucky draft year this year.

This grading system is absolutely ridiculous!

Trying to distinguish college players between Future and Perennial All Pro and "once in a lifetime" using full points is moronic.

Instead, they separate guys by .01 of a point. LOL.
Who says they are  
mdthedream : 2/8/2019 10:57 am : link
average? They are ranked as good as last years group. No one has a crystal ball if they did they would have drafted Mahomes.
The NFL.Com  
cokeduplt : 2/8/2019 11:02 am : link
Rankings are always strange. I wouldn’t put much stock in them
well  
mdthedream : 2/8/2019 11:03 am : link
they will also change after the combine when you will see the player with the better combine separate himself from the pack.
Grading these players prior to  
Dnew15 : 2/8/2019 11:05 am : link
the combine/pro days/etc....is just flat out silly.
Mahomes draft grade was 5.87  
UberAlias : 2/8/2019 11:09 am : link
So he wouldn't have made this list, for reference.
JonC  
idinkido : 2/8/2019 11:11 am : link
Got it that you don't rate any QB as a blue chip, but if the Giants did draft one with the 6th pick, who would you want that choice to be and why?
Not sure I see a QB with "it" among this group  
JonC : 2/8/2019 11:23 am : link
If the Giants pick Haskins, I'll move forward certainly hoping I'm wrong. Given it appears the ER prospects are not what I'd hoped, it could help the pro-QB faction at #6.
Be careful about putting too much stock into the Combine.  
mittenedman : 2/8/2019 11:45 am : link
I like pre-Combine rankings because they are based on FOOTBALL.

The workout warriors will move up but they aren't playing football at the Combine.
If it makes anyone feel better  
Jarvis : 2/8/2019 11:47 am : link
They had Mayfield at 6.04 last year...and he ended up being the number 1 pick and runner up rookie of the year.

I find their grades in general to be wildly inconsistent from one year to the next.
I imagine these grades are with their estimated combine numbers in  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 11:47 am : link
The interviews and wonderlic (depending on position) are where the players really can make a huge difference in their grades. Most the physical stuff is already know or at least have a decent estimate.
RE: If it makes anyone feel better  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/8/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14290839 Jarvis said:
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They had Mayfield at 6.04 last year...and he ended up being the number 1 pick and runner up rookie of the year.

I find their grades in general to be wildly inconsistent from one year to the next.


That is the problem with these grades. I want to know why they knocked Mayfield. What were the knocks on him other knocks and his size and "character" issues? How they grade Murray higher than Mayfield is strange to me, especially with the limited interviews I've seen him do I would not be surprised if his Wonderlic isn't up to par.
Mayfield  
mdthedream : 2/8/2019 11:55 am : link
was the only player I wanted over Barkley. He was the best looking player at the combine and he was a great player his senior year. The others I was not sure which one was the better of the rest.
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