one of the companies you interviewed with came back to you with a "godfather" offer?
In this case, purely hypothetical, say you started the already accepted job 6 weeks ago, and you knew the timing of the decisions the two companies would make didn't line up with when you wanted to make a move and for a variety of reasons you were compelled to accept a job (if it met your criteria). But maybe hypothetically, you didn't expect to get the second job (but again their timelines didn't match up)
What would you do?
Is it unethical, immoral, a shitty thing to do, etc. to leave the job you accepted and spent 6+ weeks with and leave and accept the other job?
Let's also say that the accepted job is great, awesome company, great people, massive growth industry and the compensation is fair and if you remain there you could be very successful.
but the other job checks all those boxes too and is massively more on the compensation and more aligned to your career aspirations?
Compensation in my view shouldn't be the sole decision maker for a career/job choice but it makes a nice tiebreaker (and in the case of a godfather offer maybe even lifestyle changing).
not looking for validation for this hypothetical person's decision, just looking for opinions.
I promise you any corporation would do the same to you.
6 weeks? I'd say you owe them nothing. Not like they spent months training you or getting your strategy or plan implemented and then you bolt. 6 weeks, you've barely impacted the company enough for them to be more than mildly pissed that they have to go looking for a replacement.
and last, money isnt the sole decision so do what makes you happy
I'm easy to bond with people, even in a short period of time I feel I've made those trusted connections that can form the types of relationships that last a lifetime, and I feel shitty even considering this decision, but then I think the other opportunity might literally be a life changing opportunity and I owe it to myself and my family to pursue it.
doesn't make it any less agonizing though. I struggle to come up with anything I don't like about the "accepted position".
all hypothetically.
and last, money isnt the sole decision so do what makes you happy
a godfather offer is one you can't refuse. Sorry, maybe that's just my name for it.
There's likely no sense of loyalty from the company side, so if there is a chance to get a dream job, or a Godfather opportunity, you go for it.
There is the potential the person burns some bridges there and depending on the industry and level of position, that is something to consider, but mature adults should realize that people make business decisions just like companies do.
I'm easy to bond with people, even in a short period of time I feel I've made those trusted connections that can form the types of relationships that last a lifetime, and I feel shitty even considering this decision, but then I think the other opportunity might literally be a life changing opportunity and I owe it to myself and my family to pursue it.
doesn't make it any less agonizing though. I struggle to come up with anything I don't like about the "accepted position".
all hypothetically.
But if something changed in the organization and they need to eliminate your position would they not do it because you just switched jobs and made a big life decision to go work for them?
Absolutely not makes the health of the company is more important than you.
Which is why you should always choose what is best for you and your family over the needs of your employer.
Work hard, be great in your role, strive for success, and be a benefit to the organization.
But understand it is a business and nothing more
Didn't know you were on BBI!
Win win
Yes, take the other one.
Unfortunately - that bond is nowhere near as strong as the financial obligation you have to yourself and your loved ones. I had the same situation happen years ago, except I hadn't started my job yet, only accepted the offer. The same day I went to pick up the offer letter, I got a better offer out of the blue from another company I had figured was a longshot and would take too long to get back to me. They ended up sweetening the deal as well, making it impossible to pass up.
The first company was pretty pissed, and the HR person there said a man is only as good as their word in an attempt to get me to change my mind. I told her this man has a wife and planned on starting a family, and I'd be doing them a disservice passing up on that much more money. The main reason you work is to provide, and if you can provide much more, hurting some feelings should not stop you from doing so.
Companies understand. But take the high road and be clear and transparent with the current job. It's good politics and will leave you in some decent standing.
At the end of the day, there is no loyalty in business. Optimize your earning potential but always do with class and professionalism.
The company you are leaving should still have a list of candidates, from the search that landed you, to go back to...
Did you get this job through a recruiter, the chances are you are screwing him over simply because they work on a draw, and don't even see any money from placing you until you have made it 60 to 90 days. On the flipside, if the recruiter got you the second job, there is "no harm no foul" there. The recruiter is getting paid more on the bigger deal.
The only point being there is, you could really burn that relationship too, as you never know when you could use that person's services in the future.
Just some food for thought.
I once took a new job quickly b/c I was let go unexpectedly. I quickly realized I settled and that this job was not a fit for me (long commute, non promising technologies, & the advancement path consisted of roles that everyone in the company told me not to take). I was job hunting again within weeks and had a new job a few weeks later. I was only at the job for about 8 weeks. I felt kinda bad, but the job was not a fit for me. The manager and the contracting firm I was subcontracting with were pissed, but I have to do what is best for me and my family.
then the 4Q stock market happened and they ended up giving the jobs to internal candidates.
Fuck companies - they wouldnt think twice to fire you to meet analyst expectations in a given quarter.
With that said, you do have to factor in that by leaving the company currently with you will be blackballed from there forever and the networking may come back to bite, etc....
My wife once took a position at my facility, working for a defense contractor.
On her first day - FIRST DAY, an offer came in from a hospital she also applied to, for about 10 grand more - she gave the contractor the opportunity to match. They wouldn't budge, and she walked.
Of course, that certainly burned a bridge or two, but we've never regretted that decision.
You are lucky. Most people who accept counter offers are back on the market 6 months later because they basically held their current employers up for ransom, and put a huge bullseye on the back of their heads.
Consider yourself really lucky.
But like you said take a look at the life work balance but if the workload is simila but way the pay is you'll make good new friends and everything else.
Once hired, very common for companies to constantly cry poverty, giving annual increases barely over cost of living. Employee compensation has been in decline for a generation - pensions virtually GONE, other bennies and perks are nothing like those of the last generation.
Life and your career are short. Make it count. In todays world, it is wise to gain promotion or change employers every 5-10 years - it's the only way to get those substantial pay increases.
How far does this go?
Since the company doesn't care about you, is it okay to steal from them?
How far does this go?
Since the company doesn't care about you, is it okay to steal from them?
Companies are not living things, so they have no morality either way.
Stealing is illegal, so no that is not okay.
Leaving the company you work for that you have no legal obligation to stay at is perfectly fine.
How far does this go?
Since the company doesn't care about you, is it okay to steal from them?
When I worked at the defense contractor I mentioned earlier, they cut 15% of their workforce in a down economy, mostly comprised of people in their 50's.
At the facility I'm currently at, the company cut hundreds of positions in a GOOD year, again, mostly in their 50's.
If you don't look out for number one and your family, you're a sucker just waiting for the axe to fall.
Don't get me wrong - there are exceptions to every rule. Not every company is run by Ebeneezer Fucking Scrooge - but most are.
Seconded. Companies don’t think twice about their bottom line, nor should you. Just don’t burn any bridges and give ample notice.
What I meant is you have to act like your never going back to that place when making that decision. That door will be shut.
Sure there are acceptions, but once you break that trust, it's really tough to come back. Not impossible.
I would also like to think if your jumping ship, there are reasons you would be doing so that wouldn't make you think twice about doing so.
It's not really that you're marked with a Scarlet Letter but a flaky rep is very damaging to a candidate in a job search. Depends greatly on the rest of the work history but if there's a pattern of job hopping or inconsistent work history, this type of move can be an exclamation point for a future hiring manager. I wouldn't have it be the decider but it's a factor that needs to be considered.
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And if your a person who goes back on your word every time another pretty girl passes you walking down the street, I'd want no part of you.
So employees can never leave a company to take a better job elsewhere? Should employers never be allowed to restructure or change the roles of a job?
It's Stan - did you expect anything less?