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Dalvin Tomlinson, BJ Hill, and?

BlueLou'sBack : 2/8/2019 9:31 pm
Part 3 is coming in the draft this year, I have a hunch.

Who is DG gonna draft at 5 tech to finish this trio?
Whom.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/8/2019 9:37 pm : link
Should have written whom...
If we want to put our resources there, either sign Grady Jarrett  
Ira : 2/8/2019 9:46 pm : link
or draft Quinnen Williams.
A few fits  
Sy'56 : 2/8/2019 9:47 pm : link
Zach Allen - Boston College
Rashan Gary - Michigan
Ed Oliver - Houston
Jonathan Ledbetter - Georgia
Dre'Mont Jones - Ohio State
Christian Wilkins - Clemson
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arcarsenal : 2/8/2019 9:49 pm : link
QWill would be ideal - but I think he's off the board @ 6. Everyone wants the next Aaron Donald, and Q is probably as close as you'll get right now.
I would be shocked if we go 5 Tech  
Rjanyg : 2/8/2019 10:15 pm : link
But if we do itís Gary in round 1 or Zach Allen in round 2.
McIntosh may have a role.  
yatqb : 2/8/2019 10:16 pm : link
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Kerry  
mittenedman : 2/8/2019 10:28 pm : link
Wynn
I think we should trade back to the early teens  
adamg : 2/8/2019 10:35 pm : link
and take Christian Wilkins
FWIW, on his podcast  
FranknWeezer : 2/9/2019 12:37 am : link
Raanan said he was convinced Tomlinson was miscast as a 1 technique and that heís likely to be moved outside where heís a better fit. So if thatís the case, weíd either be looking in the draft or FA to fill his former role, instead.
Gary has as much upside as any defender in this class  
Torrag : 2/9/2019 1:07 am : link
Production was good but not great at Michigan but imo his best ball is in his future. Rare athletic gifts for his size and he possesses solid character. If we don't go QB with our first pick I'd be all over him if he was still available at #6.
I like Gary as well.  
allstarjim : 2/9/2019 1:15 am : link
I'm with Sy in that I like Oliver, Gary, and Wilkins, and hope one of them becomes a Giant. I think Wilkins is being overlooked by many, he is going to be a great pro for many years.

When draft picks bust, it's said often by personnel people that they missed on the "person". You can't miss on Wilkins. Great character, talented player, going to be a pro's pro.
BTW Simmons is as equally gifted as Gary but...  
Torrag : 2/9/2019 1:17 am : link
...there is no chance the Giants draft him in their market with his history. They might as well paint a target on the franchise logo and on the kids jersey to boot.
RE: Kerry  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2019 1:22 am : link
In comment 14291408 mittenedman said:
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Wynn


For now; that's exactly why I raised the question. I suggest DG has an upgrade in mind.
RE: A few fits  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2019 1:30 am : link
In comment 14291386 Sy'56 said:
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Zach Allen - Boston College
Rashan Gary - Michigan
Ed Oliver - Houston
Jonathan Ledbetter - Georgia
Dre'Mont Jones - Ohio State
Christian Wilkins - Clemson


Not Simmons? What about Clemson's Bryant in a latter round?

Love Oliver and/or Wilkins myself. Looks to me like Oliver is one of those prospects who become devalued by over exposure, repeated double teams, and opponents' focus on him.
All these guys were targeted for double teams and attention  
Torrag : 2/9/2019 1:42 am : link
They were the best players on their college defenses. The depth at DL in this draft is really rare though. That's undebatable.
DL  
Big_Pete : 2/9/2019 5:05 am : link
I expect we will try and bring back Kerry Wynn and Josh Mauro as cheaper deals to compete for playing time.

I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to bring back Mario Edwards as well if possible. I think he has upside in Bettcher's system.

The guy I really like in the draft as a 5-tech DE is Zach Allen in round 2. I think he would be a really good fit.

I wouldn't be surprised if we also looked at depth options on day 3 in the draft as well, perhaps someone like Daniel Wise, Khalen Saunders or Daylon Mack.

I would look at Tomlinson, Hill and Allen as the likely starters with McIntosh, Edwards, Wynn, Mauro and Wise/Saunders/Mack competing for spots and playing time.

The real key is to get quality depth and rotation. I wouldn't be shocked if we kept 7 DL.
RE: DL  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2019 5:59 am : link
In comment 14291469 Big_Pete said:
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I expect we will try and bring back Kerry Wynn and Josh Mauro as cheaper deals to compete for playing time.

I wouldn't be surprised if we tried to bring back Mario Edwards as well if possible. I think he has upside in Bettcher's system.

The guy I really like in the draft as a 5-tech DE is Zach Allen in round 2. I think he would be a really good fit.

I wouldn't be surprised if we also looked at depth options on day 3 in the draft as well, perhaps someone like Daniel Wise, Khalen Saunders or Daylon Mack.

I would look at Tomlinson, Hill and Allen as the likely starters with McIntosh, Edwards, Wynn, Mauro and Wise/Saunders/Mack competing for spots and playing time.

The real key is to get quality depth and rotation. I wouldn't be shocked if we kept 7 DL.


Good post. With the plethora of 4th, 5th and 6th round picks DG has, no doubt he'll be looking to bolster quality depth on the DL as well as the OL. Saunders got a ton of positive reports at the Senior Bowl week.
Depends on down and distance also how the draft falls  
idiotsavant : 2/9/2019 8:17 am : link
It could be on first and ten:

Q Williams, Tomlison, Hill

Or

4th end big, Tomlinson, Hill

Long down and distance could be:

Wynn (as olb) Oliver, Hill, Zach Allen

Or, if Q will had been drafted something similar to above but with a less notable rush DT instead of Oliver (does Gary drop?)


Or, alternatively

Josh Allen(olb), Hill, Tomlinson, Wynn(olb) as a 2 4 5 assuming you draft actual pass defending Ilbs in 2 and 4
Typo 4th round  
idiotsavant : 2/9/2019 8:18 am : link
Line whatever
Well you  
King Quis : 2/9/2019 8:29 am : link
Canít forget R.J. Mcintosh
so if Haskins or Murray are not in the mix at #6, then  
Simms11 : 2/9/2019 8:44 am : link
trade down and pick up extra draft capital for next year. Draft the best available defender or OT in the first and then set yourself up to move up to get the QB you desire next year. Now, this does not seem realistic given DG's history as a GM, but it's what I would do.
This is why we may benefit from  
idiotsavant : 2/9/2019 9:58 am : link
An additional 2nd rounder.

At 6 you get DT. Williams or Oliver or whomever

2nd you get the Zach Allen or i
OLB a great pass defending ILB.

That's a very different team for 2019

With playmakers at those spots
RE: I think we should trade back to the early teens  
KeoweeFan : 2/9/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14291415 adamg said:
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and take Christian Wilkins

There is no doubt that Christian would provide the on field leadership and locker room presence the Shurmer and DG seem to be looking for. We could use any extra picks we gain for the OL.
He may not have the high ceiling of others but there is no denying his performance and athleticism against top opponents; his "floor" is pretty solid.
And who would not love to see Wilkens line up in the backfield as a FB in goal line sets and occasionally run in for the score; or take a swing pass (a la that other Clemson grad William "Refrigerator" Perry)?
From a pass pressure standpoint, Tomlinson is much too slow  
Bob in Newburgh : 2/9/2019 10:32 am : link
to provide anything if moved outside.

Played nose, or inside at Bama for a reason.
Letís assume Haskins is gone (I hope!) and teams arenít high on Murray  
The_Boss : 2/9/2019 10:34 am : link
For guys saying we should trade down: which players are guys trading up for? After the first 3/4 picks, the talent in this draft seemingly levels off no?
The thing about trading down  
Dave on the UWS : 2/9/2019 10:35 am : link
we would get the most takers at 6 from a QB needy team. Well WE are a QB needy team.
Simms11  
SLIM_ : 2/9/2019 11:58 am : link
That scenario should definitely be on the table unless they love someone who has fallen. If we don't get our QB this year, we need to make sure we have ammo without mortgaging the future (too much).

Am I the only one who likes Josh Mauro?  
Anakim : 2/9/2019 12:11 pm : link
He's not flashy, but he's solid and steady. Can't really ask much more of that from a 3-4 DE.
My prayer is someone trades UP with us and takes Haskins  
SGMen : 2/9/2019 12:35 pm : link
I hope we get a chance at fleecing a team. I think Haskins will turn out to be a very "average" QB in this league. It is just a feeling, of course, but the feeling of getting say an upper #1, #2 this year and #2 and #3 next year makes me feel good given all of our holes.

I don't know. It is early. Just spitting up here. LOL
AN ELITE PASS RUSHER  
giantsFC : 2/9/2019 12:38 pm : link
and then another elite pass rusher or maybe an ILB who is a scary force.

followed by a third pass player who can rush the QB from the outside or inside.


Team doesn't need 17 run stopping 3-4 boring Defensive ends.
RE: The thing about trading down  
AcesUp : 2/9/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14291543 Dave on the UWS said:
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we would get the most takers at 6 from a QB needy team. Well WE are a QB needy team.


+1. I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where we will be able to trade down. On the off chance that Haskins falls we probably run to the podium with that card. Maybe if the Broncos love Lock? Even then, there's a good chance that we would take Lock. Basically, there isn't a player that we wouldn't take at 6 that would incentivize another team to move up into our slot. A couple of guys really need to blow up the combine, it needs to get more top heavy because right now it looks like theres 3 blue chippers and maybe 1 QB at the top of the draft. We pick 6.
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