But admittedly have a hard time believing it. Unless this is an offer that they’ve made in the past few hours I’d have to believe that Machado would have taken that and signed in a millisecond considering the other offers we’ve seen reported. Guess we will see.
week that stated both Manny and Harp are looking for $300M deals. So I guess this only gain traction if the season draws near and there are no takers near their asking price
I think both guys still really want 300M and closer to 10 years and are still holding out for that.
Problem is - I don't think anyone's going to offer it.
I think that report about the Nationals offering 350M or something like that was complete BS. Harper would have been inked already if that were the case. He'll never get an offer better than that - I don't think it was ever offered at all.
I think both guys still really want 300M and closer to 10 years and are still holding out for that.
Problem is - I don't think anyone's going to offer it.
I think that report about the Nationals offering 350M or something like that was complete BS. Harper would have been inked already if that were the case. He'll never get an offer better than that - I don't think it was ever offered at all.
i agree, it def wasnt. i think teams in general want to avoid these contracts. they see how the yanks have built a great young core lol
that being said, MM would be a good signing for the yanks as it gives them some options in infield as well as trade potential(andujar) to upgrade starting rotation
teams are trying to be a little more fiscally responsible. I can see the Yanks not wanting to go too far into luxury tax territory, particularly when they have a newer stadium to pay off.
is now clarifying that his statement was only speculation and not based on anything he had heard. I hate this time of year when sports writers are starving for material.
Manny winds up a Yankee. Based on everything else we've heard, it seems that his offers aren't much higher than this and he wants to be a Yankee. My guess is that Machado's camp possibly leaked this to get the WS and/or Phillies to up their offer.
That or the only reason he hasn't signed yet is because they're trying to get the Yankees to increase this offer before accepting.
no serious offers to outbid. So how long do the Phillies sit on their hands?
I think they want Harper and are not that in on Machado cause they know he wants to go to the Yankees. If he doesn't take this offer, if it is true, then he really just wants money and doesn't care about the Yankees. Again, I think the Phillies want Harper and of course they aren't getting both.
$30M per sounds about right. I also wonder whether that is a "top line" number, but really has options, like Britton's deal?
As many here know, I have been in the "get Manny" camp since last spring training and have been lukewarm at best on Harper.
It does seem a little odd that they would offer this after making the move for DJ- unless DJ is going into a Randy Velarde everyday guy who plays somewhere else every game role?
One would also have to think that Andujar is left as the odd man out in this situation. The only likely remaining option to him would be DH- and that would require bumping Stanton out to LF, which isn't ideal from a defensive standpoint. LF in Yankee Stadium is huge- and it is only because Gardner is really a CF playing LF that people haven't noticed how difficult LF actually is in the Stadium.
Other option- try to revive those trade talks with the Padres or try to work a 3-way deal to get a high end SP. The problem is that this late in the off-season, teams might be more reluctant to give up an ace or #2 level SP because it will be harder to replace them.
One of the infielders not named Manny could end up playing Â
Manny at short & Miggy at 3rd 'till Didi get healthy.
Good point. This seems like the most likely scenario. They'd first probably see if Tulo can cut it at short and Andujar can cut it at LF or 1st just in case but Tulo can easily be cut.
It's not according to a "few sources" it's according to one source who admits it is just pure speculation!
But confirmation bias has some of you off to the races despite the fact that you've been fed bullshit time and time again this hot stove season.
Remember when Manny had three offers on the table and was going to make up his mind after New Year's?
p.s.--the fact that it was a "seven or eight" year deal for $220M should've been the give away. It has to be one or the other, there's no such thing as a seven or eight year deal for a fixed amount of dollars!
is now clarifying that his statement was only speculation and not based on anything he had heard. I hate this time of year when sports writers are starving for material.
That really is ridiculous. The fact that Duquette might even deserve praise for coming clean is even more alarming when you think about it. Rarely do you see that but to be fair the other journalists and writers will usually disguise or veil their comments (speculation) in better fashion than Duquette did. He’ll learn.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks made the same offer to Harper. Rather than get into the bidding wasr, they put an offer out there that they were comfortable with and hoped one of them would take it. Neither did, so the Yanks moved on.
The aftermath of Prince Fielder Pujois David Price and like deals Â
have caused owners to open their eyes. Shorter deals allows more FA's to become available and give owners more choices at better prices. Thats the way its trending
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
RE: The aftermath of Prince Fielder Pujois David Price and like deals Â
have caused owners to open their eyes. Shorter deals allows more FA's to become available and give owners more choices at better prices. Thats the way its trending
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
There is something to that. But I think you can thank analytics which has essentially placed a value on players and the mega deals just don't fix the data metrics that teams are seeing. Essentially you went from the Bill James' sabermetrics view of player evaluation that has been mainstream for years now, but now teams are hiring data scientists to further evaluate and place a price tag on players and contracts.
And there is probably a strike coming too...which has a lot to do with this.
...to placate their fans by pretending they are at least "trying" to sign Machado, but with no real intention.
Smart move.
I was actually thinking something altogether different.
Going into the winter, I think the belief was universal that Machado and Harper would go well past Stanton's $325M deal in total dollars.
If the bidding universe is now at $270-280, in Yankee dollars, that's a big discount.
I wonder if Cashman is trying to sell Hal on the idea that the Yanks are getting a steal at that price and he should move. I doubt Cashman would float that number without at least some approval.
There is also the possibility that Machado's camp is putting this out there to get the Phillies and White Sox to bump their offers upward.
teams should go 5 or 6 years at $30-$32 mill per with a 3rd or 4th year opt out. Gets one of the big boys signed, entices them to sign at fair number with the chance to see what the market bares down the road and go for more gold....
Harper will not accept a short term deal per Heyman Â
and have an equal chance of being right or wrong. He doesn't know. he's speculating. i'm certain Boras nor Harper has definitively told him that or anything else.
i'd bet if the Tokyo Yakult Swallows offered him $150mill on a 1yr deal Bryce or anyone would likely take it.
have caused owners to open their eyes. Shorter deals allows more FA's to become available and give owners more choices at better prices. Thats the way its trending
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
There is something to that. But I think you can thank analytics which has essentially placed a value on players and the mega deals just don't fix the data metrics that teams are seeing. Essentially you went from the Bill James' sabermetrics view of player evaluation that has been mainstream for years now, but now teams are hiring data scientists to further evaluate and place a price tag on players and contracts.
And there is probably a strike coming too...which has a lot to do with this.
Problem is - I don't think anyone's going to offer it.
I think that report about the Nationals offering 350M or something like that was complete BS. Harper would have been inked already if that were the case. He'll never get an offer better than that - I don't think it was ever offered at all.
Problem is - I don't think anyone's going to offer it.
I think that report about the Nationals offering 350M or something like that was complete BS. Harper would have been inked already if that were the case. He'll never get an offer better than that - I don't think it was ever offered at all.
i agree, it def wasnt. i think teams in general want to avoid these contracts. they see how the yanks have built a great young core lol
that being said, MM would be a good signing for the yanks as it gives them some options in infield as well as trade potential(andujar) to upgrade starting rotation
My guess Manny signs something like 5/175 -- with 60 across the first 2 years and an opt out after 2 as well.
That or the only reason he hasn't signed yet is because they're trying to get the Yankees to increase this offer before accepting.
I think they want Harper and are not that in on Machado cause they know he wants to go to the Yankees. If he doesn't take this offer, if it is true, then he really just wants money and doesn't care about the Yankees. Again, I think the Phillies want Harper and of course they aren't getting both.
As many here know, I have been in the "get Manny" camp since last spring training and have been lukewarm at best on Harper.
It does seem a little odd that they would offer this after making the move for DJ- unless DJ is going into a Randy Velarde everyday guy who plays somewhere else every game role?
One would also have to think that Andujar is left as the odd man out in this situation. The only likely remaining option to him would be DH- and that would require bumping Stanton out to LF, which isn't ideal from a defensive standpoint. LF in Yankee Stadium is huge- and it is only because Gardner is really a CF playing LF that people haven't noticed how difficult LF actually is in the Stadium.
Other option- try to revive those trade talks with the Padres or try to work a 3-way deal to get a high end SP. The problem is that this late in the off-season, teams might be more reluctant to give up an ace or #2 level SP because it will be harder to replace them.
I think DJ is the only one capable of that. Torres has never played there. Neither has Didi. Andujar strugles at 3B- OF might be a disaster.
Good point. This seems like the most likely scenario. They'd first probably see if Tulo can cut it at short and Andujar can cut it at LF or 1st just in case but Tulo can easily be cut.
But confirmation bias has some of you off to the races despite the fact that you've been fed bullshit time and time again this hot stove season.
Remember when Manny had three offers on the table and was going to make up his mind after New Year's?
p.s.--the fact that it was a "seven or eight" year deal for $220M should've been the give away. It has to be one or the other, there's no such thing as a seven or eight year deal for a fixed amount of dollars!
That really is ridiculous. The fact that Duquette might even deserve praise for coming clean is even more alarming when you think about it. Rarely do you see that but to be fair the other journalists and writers will usually disguise or veil their comments (speculation) in better fashion than Duquette did. He’ll learn.
✔@Jim_Duquette
To clarify a report out there attributed to me, I was only speculating about a recent rumor that I had heard, not “reporting it as fact” .
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
There is something to that. But I think you can thank analytics which has essentially placed a value on players and the mega deals just don't fix the data metrics that teams are seeing. Essentially you went from the Bill James' sabermetrics view of player evaluation that has been mainstream for years now, but now teams are hiring data scientists to further evaluate and place a price tag on players and contracts.
And there is probably a strike coming too...which has a lot to do with this.
Angriest guy ever. LOL.
They literally made the old man yells at cloud meme for Paul.
...to placate their fans by pretending they are at least "trying" to sign Machado, but with no real intention.
Smart move.
...to placate their fans by pretending they are at least "trying" to sign Machado, but with no real intention.
Smart move.
I was actually thinking something altogether different.
Going into the winter, I think the belief was universal that Machado and Harper would go well past Stanton's $325M deal in total dollars.
If the bidding universe is now at $270-280, in Yankee dollars, that's a big discount.
I wonder if Cashman is trying to sell Hal on the idea that the Yanks are getting a steal at that price and he should move. I doubt Cashman would float that number without at least some approval.
There is also the possibility that Machado's camp is putting this out there to get the Phillies and White Sox to bump their offers upward.
i'd bet if the Tokyo Yakult Swallows offered him $150mill on a 1yr deal Bryce or anyone would likely take it.
So, he will sit home and wait by the phone? Ok, offer him 10 years, $20 mill per year.
He will sign a deal that gets him the best money, short term(5-6 years) or whatever the length...
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have caused owners to open their eyes. Shorter deals allows more FA's to become available and give owners more choices at better prices. Thats the way its trending
Next union contract should attempt to correct the inequities in players salaries. Substantially raise the entry level contract. Cap arbitration increases and reign in top end salaries.
There is something to that. But I think you can thank analytics which has essentially placed a value on players and the mega deals just don't fix the data metrics that teams are seeing. Essentially you went from the Bill James' sabermetrics view of player evaluation that has been mainstream for years now, but now teams are hiring data scientists to further evaluate and place a price tag on players and contracts.
And there is probably a strike coming too...which has a lot to do with this.