Evan Silva
@evansilva
Releasing Eli Manning before his $5 million bonus comes due on 3/17 would save $17 million vs the cap, but "the sense is the #Giants will keep Manning" & "requesting a straight pay cut from a player beloved within the organization seems unlikely."
thats really bad if true. IF they take a QB, i guess he benefits from learning behind eli for a year, but this really hurts in terms of cap. he is being paid like a top performing player and he really isnt
lol, c'mon.
wasnt that the plan for 2018?
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Forget the QB this year, go all in on Eli, no more half assed plans. Go big with Eli this year and look to the QB in 2020. Use that #6 pick on a ER or an OL.
lol, c'mon.
the 2020 argument is getting exhausting guys.
WHO KNOWS IF WE HAVE A SHOT AT THOSE TOP GUYS.
1. we improved from last year, another offseason could improve us AGAIN.
We will be closer to a fringe playoff team than the worst team in football
2. who knows if tua, fromm, herbert even turn out to be anything. what if they all have terrrible years? suffer a major injury? Its not like those three havent had shaky moments or dont have question marks.
i am not a fan of saying lets just wait, there is SO much that can happen between now and then. you take BPA. if need matches BPA, you have a homerun
Go big as in what -- trade up in the draft? Sign a bunch of free agents?
You think the Bears, Chiefs, or Texans are gnashing their teeth they didn't wait for the incomparible 2018 class?
If the Giants can some how just hold out, Peyton's son should be declaring eligible in 16 years. That's a good target.
Let's keep in mind that at the end of the season, Archie was quoted as saying, "But if he [Eli] comes back, the Giants have got to win." Archie is relaying what Eli and him have discussed. It just isn't a flippant response.
Eli doesn't owe the Giants anything and is under no obligation to assist through a transition. He isn't going to dictate to Dave how to execute a FA plan or a draft strategy. But he will be keenly observing the acquisitions. If any of the moves don't serve a "win now" goal, Eli might just retire.
Fucking joke.
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Forget the QB this year, go all in on Eli, no more half assed plans. Go big with Eli this year and look to the QB in 2020. Use that #6 pick on a ER or an OL.
Let's keep in mind that at the end of the season, Archie was quoted as saying, "But if he [Eli] comes back, the Giants have got to win." Archie is relaying what Eli and him have discussed. It just isn't a flippant response.
Eli doesn't owe the Giants anything and is under no obligation to assist through a transition. He isn't going to dictate to Dave how to execute a FA plan or a draft strategy. But he will be keenly observing the acquisitions. If any of the moves don't serve a "win now" goal, Eli might just retire.
If Manning takes his roster bonus -- the takes his toys and goes home because he doesn't like how the team is managed, that's pathetic.
I deeply hope he doesn't go outike that.
If they're going with Eli for the year, it's either give him more money for an extension, or stick with the contract as is.
I'd rather not extend and push dead money on next year.
The question is whether to go with Eli this year, or cut him.
As I've said before, keeping Eli for the last year of his contract does not prevent bringing in FA this year. First year cap hit is typically low, then will be escalating when Eli's hit is coming off the books.
DG got ran outta Carolina because of his refusal to overpay players beloved by the organization. He understands this is a business.
If they're going with Eli for the year, it's either give him more money for an extension, or stick with the contract as is.
I'd rather not extend and push dead money on next year.
The question is whether to go with Eli this year, or cut him.
As I've said before, keeping Eli for the last year of his contract does not prevent bringing in FA this year. First year cap hit is typically low, then will be escalating when Eli's hit is coming off the books.
You may see a parade of other team's failed #1's in here to find the next Kerry Collins.
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In comment 14291570 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Forget the QB this year, go all in on Eli, no more half assed plans. Go big with Eli this year and look to the QB in 2020. Use that #6 pick on a ER or an OL.
Let's keep in mind that at the end of the season, Archie was quoted as saying, "But if he [Eli] comes back, the Giants have got to win." Archie is relaying what Eli and him have discussed. It just isn't a flippant response.
Eli doesn't owe the Giants anything and is under no obligation to assist through a transition. He isn't going to dictate to Dave how to execute a FA plan or a draft strategy. But he will be keenly observing the acquisitions. If any of the moves don't serve a "win now" goal, Eli might just retire.
If Manning takes his roster bonus -- the takes his toys and goes home because he doesn't like how the team is managed, that's pathetic.
I deeply hope he doesn't go outike that.
Why? It is a team option roster bonus. Eli has no control. It is either paid on 3/17 or it isn't. There is nothing stopping from Eli staying away for OTAs and training camp. If he is on the 53 man roster, he can retire the next day with his salary guaranteed.
The truth is they really have little choice. They can really only release or extend. The latter option results in the need to sign somebody like Foles and Bridgewater with little cost savings.
I’m very tired of hearing how they screwed up last year. Move on and do the best you can to grow the team. The second half of last year witnessed a resurgent offense and depleted defense. Get a ER in the first, a center/guard with the 2nd and roll the dice
+1
LOL at everyone above getting all fired up
DG got ran outta Carolina because of his refusal to overpay players beloved by the organization. He understands this is a business.
Eli doesn't have to take a paycut. He can retire on 3/18 $5M richer. He can forfeit his $250K workout bonus by skipping OTAs. He can even skip training camp incurring a $30K fine for each day. If he is on the 53 man roster, he can retire the next day and collect his full salary.
Not surprising at all, true.
Still clueless.
Taking his roster bonus, and observing skeptically before he decides to play or not is team wrecking.
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That dog don't hunt. He's just using Archie to put pressure on DG to overpay for some pieces to win this year.
DG got ran outta Carolina because of his refusal to overpay players beloved by the organization. He understands this is a business.
Eli doesn't have to take a paycut. He can retire on 3/18 $5M richer. He can forfeit his $250K workout bonus by skipping OTAs. He can even skip training camp incurring a $30K fine for each day. If he is on the 53 man roster, he can retire the next day and collect his full salary.
When you retire you forgo your salary. Salary is only guaranteed in case of injury.
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In comment 14291597 Zeke's Alibi said:
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That dog don't hunt. He's just using Archie to put pressure on DG to overpay for some pieces to win this year.
DG got ran outta Carolina because of his refusal to overpay players beloved by the organization. He understands this is a business.
Eli doesn't have to take a paycut. He can retire on 3/18 $5M richer. He can forfeit his $250K workout bonus by skipping OTAs. He can even skip training camp incurring a $30K fine for each day. If he is on the 53 man roster, he can retire the next day and collect his full salary.
When you retire you forgo your salary. Salary is only guaranteed in case of injury.
CBA allows for vested veterans to claim their full salary once in their career. Nice try.
If he retires before the final 53, yes, there is $6.2M in signing bonus that could be recouped at the team option. After the final 53, there is no more prorated signing bonus to recoup. Also, if you think Mara would sign off on pursuing $6.2M, you haven't been following the Giants for long. If Eli retires after his RB, Mara would just shrug his shoulders at the $5M and consider it Eli's gold watch.
Fucking joke.
Seriously. What a horrible way to run an NFL team.
Fucking joke.
The bigger joke is you and others getting fired up by EVAN SILVAs speculation when he has no clue what’s really going to transpire.
Honestly if he doesn't get an extension I think it could be a sign they like a QB this year. If they gave him a one year extension at 8-10 million you now are paying Eli reasonable money to man the helm for two years and help whoever they draft in 2020.
If they draft a QB, Eli needs to be on a new team.
As long as there isn't an extension or they decide to lock in a big money QB FA for multiple years I'm okay and at peace with any decision.
That is tempered by the fact that Rivers, Ryan, Carr, Bortles, Keenum, Winston, Mariotta are just 1-2M behind him....
So is he being paid like a top QB, with a base of 17M?
He is actually paid, just about middle of the road...
What it comes down to is, the Giants want to rebuild, but they want to be competitive also.....in doing so, they actually lengthen the time it will take for this team to be a true contender...
Well, what he says furthers the cause of some, so it's true information regardless.
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and spends the majority of his days tweeting about how he hates Gettleman and the Giants. He’s a nerd.
Well, what he says furthers the cause of some, so it's true information regardless.
You’re right all OPINIONS are “true” in a sense.