Evan Silva
@evansilva
Releasing Eli Manning before his $5 million bonus comes due on 3/17 would save $17 million vs the cap, but "the sense is the #Giants will keep Manning" & "requesting a straight pay cut from a player beloved within the organization seems unlikely."
I am not totally sold on Haskins at this time. I need to see him throw at the combine
And clowns fall for it every time (see Terps above).
If these hypotheticals happen and if the Giants have a good year behind Eli, will that be enough for some to get that other players besides the quarterback matter?
If these hypotheticals happen and if the Giants have a good year behind Eli, will that be enough for some to get that other players besides the quarterback matter?
1) He didn't even say it -- he's quoting someone who said it -- which makes him something much less useful than even a hack.
2) Do you really read this site and think people are "surprised" the Giants err on the side of loyalty to Manning?
I think you routinely confuse surprise with disappointment and criticism.
SO if you are talking 2020 - you're in the camp that the Gmen must draft "to need?"
Many on here believe you go BPA and that's it. So next year you are all-in to draft by need even if the QB is either mediocre of you have to go beyond extreme to trade up and get one?
How many offensive linemen should the giants get in Free Agency? You need two? Because GMen 1st rd pick you won't take one with the 6th pick because more than likely that is not an OLineman. And the 2nd rd pick isn't going ot be assured of a starter, will it more than likely? ELi needs an OL due to immobility.
Really only were 3 possibilities :
1)Extension
2)Play out the year
3)Retirement
Really only were 3 possibilities :
1)Extension
2)Play out the year
3)Retirement
Correct.
Duggan said it. This shit stain regurgitated it.
Mara is clueless please sell the team
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In comment 14291587 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14291570 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Forget the QB this year, go all in on Eli, no more half assed plans. Go big with Eli this year and look to the QB in 2020. Use that #6 pick on a ER or an OL.
Let's keep in mind that at the end of the season, Archie was quoted as saying, "But if he [Eli] comes back, the Giants have got to win." Archie is relaying what Eli and him have discussed. It just isn't a flippant response.
Eli doesn't owe the Giants anything and is under no obligation to assist through a transition. He isn't going to dictate to Dave how to execute a FA plan or a draft strategy. But he will be keenly observing the acquisitions. If any of the moves don't serve a "win now" goal, Eli might just retire.
If Manning takes his roster bonus -- the takes his toys and goes home because he doesn't like how the team is managed, that's pathetic.
I deeply hope he doesn't go outike that.
Why? It is a team option roster bonus. Eli has no control. It is either paid on 3/17 or it isn't. There is nothing stopping from Eli staying away for OTAs and training camp. If he is on the 53 man roster, he can retire the next day with his salary guaranteed.
I assume you are a big fan of Eli for the way he handles himself off the field as much as how he does in it.
To suggest Eli would even comtplate such a thing is redicoulous.
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but what he's saying is going to happen is likely going to happen so anybody that's surprised by this should prepare themselves.
Duggan said it. This shit stain regurgitated it.
yes, a lot of shit stains seem to repeat it...
Lol ok Tom Cordon.
The cap hasn’t killed the giants the last so many years. Bad drafts have.
Cap is the least of our problems. You guys literally obsess over this shit.
While he is reporting what another said, he also shares his opinion. I imagine if the Giants won the Super Bowl he would say it was complete luck. I agreed with his opinion that the Giants should have selected a QB at 2, his repetitive tweets minute after minute reporting were aggravating. When I said as much, he called the Giants fan base “the most sensitive fan base” and blocked me. He’s a fuckturd.
Of course this won’t stop many of you from gojng ape shit and killing the giants. If they do anything it’s awful because they suck and ok we get it.
The cap hasn’t killed the giants the last so many years. Bad drafts have.
Both statements are true. However, the first sentence is only true because of the second. There's a 5-6 year blackhole where our shitty drafting afforded us the luxury of not having to hand out big second contracts to our own. That has already started to change. OBJ just signed a mega-extension. Collins is on deck. Shep is behind him. If DG continues to draft well, you bet your ass that it's a concern because mismanaging the cap can undo good drafting when those players walk.
Knee jerk response to that is "we worry about that once we draft well". Cap is fluid though. Financial decisions in 2019 have a residual effect in future years, which impact decisions in those years that have a residual effect even further out, etc, etc. Wastefully allocating resources in what is a transition year may impact us when we actually need the money to compete. That is why it matters.
The cap hasn’t killed the giants the last so many years. Bad drafts have.
Cap is the least of our problems. You guys literally obsess over this shit.
The Giants have compounded bad drafts with bad cap allocation. They have 57% of this year's cap allocated to 6 players -- and a number of holes to fill on the roster. Most notably on defense, which you post about frequently.
The Giants bad cap allocation is most certainly not the least of their problems.
They might not be in proverbial cap hell -- but they are bottom third in monies to spend over the next two years with plenty of problem areas.
Eli’s cap hit won’t preclude the Giants from adding quality players in FA.
1. He will end up in the middle of salary ranges
2. He has a maximum of one year here - good or bad season
3. He can mentor the new kid on the block
Frankly, when our OL stopped looking like the Ram's OL in the Superbowl, he played a lot better. I'm not sure anyone plays well with the crappy work our OL did in the 1st half of the season.
Get a new guy in free agency and I doubt you are saving much money. Getting a new draft pick, you are probably not throwing him to the wolves to start with regardless.
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
Alex Smith has never won a championship but has overcome a tough first 5 years to produce a better winning percentage overall and only 22 less wins total (94-66-1 to 116-114-0).
He has been shown the door twice now while coming off playoff appearances. If he returns to play football again it's likely it will happen a 3rd time.
Even Brady was close to being sent packing. Kraft prevented it otherwise now maybe Brady is the Niner QB, and Jimmy is in NE.
Forget the streak, Eli really is the iron man of QBs.
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
He's there until next season. They don't want to go into the season with a rookie and nothing else behind him. If they had another vet, he costs an awful lot and will be worse than Manning. The likes of Bridgewater, Tyrod, Bradford, please, they're terrible. No one is fighting over for their services.
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
Right, let’s not even bother to consider that signing a vet like bridgewater or Flacco ends up with the giants spending the same qb money in 2019 anyway. And now they are even worse at the position. Nope, it’s all about the platitudes. It’s all about how much Eli is worth... whatever the hell that even means at this point.
Oh, we could sign Tyrod Taylor and develop him into something more than backup qb. That would work out well I’m sure.
The qb position isn’t in a state of crisis no matter how you slice it.
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
Your assumption is that this team would contend for a title but for Manning. Examine your assumption.
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Is Eli worth $23M? Is having him in 2019 worth the $17M in cap space we'd get by cutting him?
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
He's there until next season. They don't want to go into the season with a rookie and nothing else behind him. If they had another vet, he costs an awful lot and will be worse than Manning. The likes of Bridgewater, Tyrod, Bradford, please, they're terrible. No one is fighting over for their services.
The Giants would be signing a placeholder to help install the offense, keep the team functional, and wait until the rookie could play.
There is nothing exotic about this approach.
Moving onto a rookie means there will be growing pains -- exactly how Eli Manning came to be a starter on this team.
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Is Eli worth $23M? Is having him in 2019 worth the $17M in cap space we'd get by cutting him?
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
Right, let’s not even bother to consider that signing a vet like bridgewater or Flacco ends up with the giants spending the same qb money in 2019 anyway. And now they are even worse at the position. Nope, it’s all about the platitudes. It’s all about how much Eli is worth... whatever the hell that even means at this point.
Oh, we could sign Tyrod Taylor and develop him into something more than backup qb. That would work out well I’m sure.
The qb position isn’t in a state of crisis no matter how you slice it.
The answer to both questions is a resounding no. The only reason to keep him is nostalgia.
So it's no surprise the team sucks. It's run like a mom and pop malt shop.
The cap hit/space only matters if it’s preventing the Giants from signing one or more players in FA. Who are they potentially missing out on?
You keep bringing up the cap hit without providing any FA plan that makes the team better.
Cap space for the sake of cap space means nothing.
It's amazing how poorly people read, and how rolling they are to put words in your mouth.
Going on Snyder-like free agent spending isn't a good idea even if it looks good in March and Madden. Giants should stay the course, get a "choice" free agent of 2 and another strong draft. Do just as they say: continue to address the OL, add talent to the D.
I see a lot of "Giants stuck in their old ways". Not buying it. Their old ways work. Great run game, play action to receivers who know what they're doing and a strong D = contender. There is no stopping it and Eli has shown he can go all the way, in any hostile environment, if he's got the team around him. Stay the course. It's worked before, and it'll work again.
Going on Snyder-like free agent spending isn't a good idea even if it looks good in March and Madden. Giants should stay the course, get a "choice" free agent of 2 and another strong draft. Do just as they say: continue to address the OL, add talent to the D.
I see a lot of "Giants stuck in their old ways". Not buying it. Their old ways work. Great run game, play action to receivers who know what they're doing and a strong D = contender. There is no stopping it and Eli has shown he can go all the way, in any hostile environment, if he's got the team around him. Stay the course. It's worked before, and it'll work again.
Well, if we don’t need the cap space and Eli has all this gas left in the tank, why not pay him another $90M / 3 yrs?
May as well lock up this still great player who is more mobile than ever, a stronger arm than ever, and stands taller and more poised than ever in the pocket.
Right?
He's never going to see playoff action again with this shitshow of an organization.
If I recall correctly, bw has espoused taking a second tier QB in round 2 (possibly trading to get back into low round 1).
I don't remember Go Terps advocating any alternative. Most just yells to get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli.
Is there any particular QB either of you want to draft? or is it anyone but Eli?
If I recall correctly, bw has espoused taking a second tier QB in round 2 (possibly trading to get back into low round 1).
I don't remember Go Terps advocating any alternative. Most just yells to get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli.
Is there any particular QB either of you want to draft? or is it anyone but Eli?
I've suggested an alternative several times. The way I see it, we have the viable options after cutting Eli:
1. Enter the season with Lauletta as the starter and Tanney the backup
2. Draft a QB and let him compete with Lauletta for the starting job
3. Trade for an inexpensive backup from someone else's roster. Names of the top of my head include Kyle Sloter, Jacoby Brissett, Mason Rudolph, Josh Dobbs, Nick Mullens, and Jeff Driskell.
Each of those is a viable, realistic alternative and preferable to overpaying Eli (or Files or Flacco).
Take our lumps now. We will not be any worse in fact we will likely get better quicker
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People, myself included, want to build through the draft. The cap has gone up and the QB costing $23.2M isn't destroying anything if, again, you want to build through the draft.
Going on Snyder-like free agent spending isn't a good idea even if it looks good in March and Madden. Giants should stay the course, get a "choice" free agent of 2 and another strong draft. Do just as they say: continue to address the OL, add talent to the D.
I see a lot of "Giants stuck in their old ways". Not buying it. Their old ways work. Great run game, play action to receivers who know what they're doing and a strong D = contender. There is no stopping it and Eli has shown he can go all the way, in any hostile environment, if he's got the team around him. Stay the course. It's worked before, and it'll work again.
Well, if we don’t need the cap space and Eli has all this gas left in the tank, why not pay him another $90M / 3 yrs?
May as well lock up this still great player who is more mobile than ever, a stronger arm than ever, and stands taller and more poised than ever in the pocket.
Right?
Idiotic argument.
Brady just won the SB and is entering the final year of his deal just like Eli. Why aren’t the Pats extending him? Are the Pats dumb? Does it mean they are locked into drafting his replacement? Does it mean they have to draft his replacement? Does it mean Brady sucks now? No.
When a QB gets to this stage of his career it’s really in the best interest of the organization to take it year by year until you’re certain about the replacement.
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so who is your choice for QB, and what do you think it will take to get him?
If I recall correctly, bw has espoused taking a second tier QB in round 2 (possibly trading to get back into low round 1).
I don't remember Go Terps advocating any alternative. Most just yells to get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli, get rid of Eli.
Is there any particular QB either of you want to draft? or is it anyone but Eli?
I've suggested an alternative several times. The way I see it, we have the viable options after cutting Eli:
1. Enter the season with Lauletta as the starter and Tanney the backup
2. Draft a QB and let him compete with Lauletta for the starting job
3. Trade for an inexpensive backup from someone else's roster. Names of the top of my head include Kyle Sloter, Jacoby Brissett, Mason Rudolph, Josh Dobbs, Nick Mullens, and Jeff Driskell.
Each of those is a viable, realistic alternative and preferable to overpaying Eli (or Files or Flacco).
None of those options are “viable” except option 2, which would represent reaching for a QB in a weak class and losing out on the opportunity to draft a better prospect in subsequent years.
No real prospects (except maybe a draft pick this year). just a hope that someone is able to step up.
It would be a dream scenario if Lauletta is the man, or if there's some sleeper out there that a team is willing to trade us (I know Dave-Te was creaming his pants over Sloter). If such were the case, I'd be ecstatic. I don't know as it's realistic to plan on, though.
The one thing Shurmur supposedly does well is work with quarterbacks. Why not use that to gain a roster building advantage?
It is when the poster admittedly wants the Giants to go 0-16 so that Gettleman and Shurmer lose their jobs...
The problem is that we don't have much evidence that he can be an option. At this point, he represents an anybody but Eli option.
Take our lumps now. We will not be any worse in fact we will likely get better quicker
Yeah Curtis Riley, Chad Wheeler, and Spencer Pulley would be all pros if it wasn’t for that way overpaid asshole making 20+ million a year.
Here’s a novel concept. Give current version of Eli a decent line and a defense that can make a stop in the 4th quarter, and maybe things are improved. Last off-season was a good draft. Let’s have another one and hit on a few FA’s so that when we do get the next Giants quarterback, he can succeed without the weight of the world on his shoulders.
The whole team matters. Old guys like Brady, Brees, Ben, and Rivers don’t have their fan bases clamoring for their replacements. Why? They’re old and make a lot of money too. But, the teams around them are good enough and they continue to achieve and add to their HOF reputations.
Whereas, our Eli, he gets surrounded by stooges for about 7 years of bad drafts and our fan base has members like you in it who ignore basic obvious facts about the sport and question what the locker room thinks of him when about everyone on the current team has said he’s their leader.