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GFAN52 : 2/9/2019 3:11 pm
Giants trade up to #4 with Raiders to select QB Dwayne Haskins.


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you don't trade up for a guy  
Chip : 2/9/2019 3:28 pm : link
with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.
We bother reading a mock draft....  
Reb8thVA : 2/9/2019 3:31 pm : link
From a guy who has already written extensively how the Giants have to everything to draft Haskins. You already know what the article says.
I now give you  
Gman11 : 2/9/2019 3:38 pm : link
this guy's wild assed guess which is the same as 100 other wild assed guesses, but different than 200 other wild assed guesses. Why people think any of these wild assed guesses titled a mock draft are worth reading is beyond me.
Only reason to move up is concerns that Jacksonville  
George from PA : 2/9/2019 3:52 pm : link
Will jump us for a QB...but at 7..they dont????

Lock does not make it to 10 imo.

And Murray will go early as well.
Here is the deal  
Rjanyg : 2/9/2019 3:56 pm : link
Unless you love one of the QBís more than the others, stay at 6. I think Haskins and Lock are both very good but they are different from each other. Murray is the wild card. Jones might slip to the late 1st round and you may be able to move up and get him.

I donít think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.
If we trade up so be it  
GoBlue6599 : 2/9/2019 3:57 pm : link
This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is ďhis team is to goodĒ maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
RE: Here is the deal  
Rjanyg : 2/9/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14291749 Rjanyg said:
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Unless you love one of the QBís more than the others, stay at 6. I think Haskins and Lock are both very good but they are different from each other. Murray is the wild card. Jones might slip to the late 1st round and you may be able to move up and get him.

I donít think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.


Just read Serby has us giving up a 2020 3rd round pick. If that is all it took then sure but I doubt it.
Anyone know if Serbyís recovered from  
Big Blue '56 : 2/9/2019 3:59 pm : link
the Richard Todd fight?
RE: you don't trade up for a guy  
Beer Man : 2/9/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14291733 Chip said:
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with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.
+1. Especially when your team has so many big holes to fill.
I dont think you move up here  
MotownGIANTS : 2/9/2019 4:11 pm : link
BUT if they really have the conviction lose a single 3rd next yr that is not a steep price.
Serby is another worthless media hack.  
Red Dog : 2/9/2019 4:26 pm : link
Trading up to get Haskins, who has only a little over a year of experience as a starting QB in a big time college program, would be insanity for the GIANTS who have a still decent QB but need a lot of IMMEDIATE help on the OL and all over the defense to become any kind of a serious championship contender.


And getting only a 2020 third rounder to allow the GIANTS to move up from #6 to #4 would be insanity for the Raiders.

Why jump the bucs  
NikkiMac : 2/9/2019 4:27 pm : link
Are they moving on from Winston ?
A 2020 3rd....now that is even funnier  
George from PA : 2/9/2019 4:29 pm : link
Moving up....will cost much more.

Gruden: "Better offer us a 3rd...Jacksonville is offering next years 4th....for their next franchise QB."

It will cost a minimum of this years 2nd...probably next years 1st.

I say, do not do it.

Get bpa at 6th.
Who dafuq  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/9/2019 4:36 pm : link
Asked for a Steve Soyboy mock draft?
RE: you don't trade up for a guy  
mavric : 2/9/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14291733 Chip said:
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with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.


And you don't trade up 2 spots for a guy who will be sitting there at 6.

The only possible trade up scenario (IMHO), is if Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams was still on the board at number 4. Or maybe for Jonah Williams or Josh Allen if the Giants were absolutely enamored with one of them and they were sure that they'd be gone at no.4 or 5.

I get a kick out of the reporters copying each other and have predetermined that the Giants are drooling over Haskins because Eli is entering his senior years (by NFL standards)

I suspect the Giants are more likely to trade down than up in this years draft. If they are sold on getting yet another QB, it stands to reason they'd go after Daniel Jones as he's a cerebral, tall (6'5") pocket passer, with a very accurate arm.

Just my opinion. I trust the staff is doing a superb job at studying, researching, and vetting every prospect out there. They'll get a gem at the 6 spot and probably another gem in round 2.
RE: you don't trade up for a guy  
Giants38 : 2/9/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14291733 Chip said:
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with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.


Thatís good. Because he started 14 games. And Lawrence didnít even start that many. So thanks for playing!
Trading up for Haskins  
montanagiant : 2/9/2019 5:02 pm : link
With all the holes this team has would be about the most idiotic thing the Giants could do
Unless the Giants believe that Haskins is  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/9/2019 5:34 pm : link
the next guy... and then it would make sense. But Steve Serby has less insight than almost anyone in sports.
RE: Unless the Giants believe that Haskins is  
jnoble : 2/9/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14291804 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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the next guy... and then it would make sense. But Steve Serby has less insight than almost anyone in sports.


They all seem to jump on bandwagons for one guy (Haskins is the latest) and act like they're revealing some sort of original brilliant idea that nobody else has considered

Serby is an overdramatic corny hack
RE: you don't trade up for a guy  
GiantGrit : 2/9/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14291733 Chip said:
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with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.


If that is the best criticism they can dig up on him, i hope he is the guy.
RE: If we trade up so be it  
GiantGrit : 2/9/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14291750 GoBlue6599 said:
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This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is ďhis team is to goodĒ maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees


good post
I think  
Jerry from Maine : 2/9/2019 6:21 pm : link
I have a better chance at winning Powerball then this ever happening.
RE: RE: If we trade up so be it  
Boy Cord : 2/9/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14291814 GiantGrit said:
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In comment 14291750 GoBlue6599 said:


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This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is ďhis team is to goodĒ maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees



good post


College QB stats donít mean much. With that being said, I still like Haskins. Even though he may have had more time to throw than other top QBs (not sure thatís a fact), his receivers werenít running WFO like some offenses are able to create. He had to put a lot of passes on the money with solid coverage.
I guarantee  
mavric : 2/9/2019 7:12 pm : link
the Giants staff of experts will watch every single pass Haskins has ever thrown that has been recorded and they will take virtually everything into account from the offensive line, to the receivers, to the style of game, to his reactions to certain situations, to football IQ, to personality, to the intangibles like "is he a real true blue football player who lives for the game and plays like it" for which a number cannot be attached. And probably a dozen other things for which they can put a number on and most likely, the sections are weighted to adjust the number for optimizing their scouting reports.

That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)

They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.
RE: I guarantee  
GoBlue6599 : 2/9/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14291840 mavric said:
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the Giants staff of experts will watch every single pass Haskins has ever thrown that has been recorded and they will take virtually everything into account from the offensive line, to the receivers, to the style of game, to his reactions to certain situations, to football IQ, to personality, to the intangibles like "is he a real true blue football player who lives for the game and plays like it" for which a number cannot be attached. And probably a dozen other things for which they can put a number on and most likely, the sections are weighted to adjust the number for optimizing their scouting reports.

That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)

They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

Lol take a OT or DE over a QB.. now Iíve heard it all, on what universe is a DE or OT on the same level as a QB. Ever heard of Joe Thomas HOF OT check the browns record with him.They foolishly passed on Carson Wentz Pat Mahommes Desean Watson....thatís what you people want?
In fact the Pats just won the Super Bowl and there 1st Round OT missed the whole season.. You think they have any shot if that happened to Brady
Lol yes letís draft a top 10 OT or DE and win 5 games because our QB play is substandard
Itís nuanced, but theyíre saying take a good to great DL or OT  
Bill L : 2/9/2019 8:07 pm : link
Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.
RE: Itís nuanced, but theyíre saying take a good to great DL or OT  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14291871 Bill L said:
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Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.


The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.

You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.

There's a whole lotta stupid on draft threads.
Maybe in 2020 or 2018  
Bill L : 2/9/2019 9:41 pm : link
In 2019, youíre talking 95 to 70ís at best.
I don't think so.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2019 11:37 pm : link
Not physically, anyway. Whether or not the 2019 crop has what it takes in the head and heart is another puzzle I'm not knowledgeable enough to assess.
RE: Maybe in 2020 or 2018  
GoBlue6599 : 2/10/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14292008 Bill L said:
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In 2019, youíre talking 95 to 70ís at best.

According to who? You? Lol sure
RE: Only reason to move up is concerns that Jacksonville  
TheMick7 : 2/10/2019 8:55 am : link
In comment 14291746 George from PA said:
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Will jump us for a QB...but at 7..they dont????

Lock does not make it to 10 imo.

And Murray will go early as well.


I think TC is going to swing a deal for Foles, so they won't be a concern if that happens!
RE: Anyone know if Serbyís recovered from  
JohnF : 2/10/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14291752 Big Blue '56 said:
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Anyone know if Serbyís recovered from the Richard Todd fight?


Didn't Todd stuff Serby in his locker? Was that where he wrote the article?
RE: RE: Itís nuanced, but theyíre saying take a good to great DL or OT  
mavric : 2/10/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14292002 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14291871 Bill L said:


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Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.



The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.

You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.

There's a whole lotta stupid on draft threads.


So....you're implying that if Nick Bosa was on the board with a 99 ranking, the Giants would pass on him for Haskins because inside staffers rating system means nothing because "we need a QB no matter what to hold the clipboard for Eli?"

There's a whole lotta stupid right there...LOL
''with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball'...  
Torrag : 2/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
You do if you've developed a conviction he's going to be a franchise type prospect at the position...and he might be. He's certainly far and away the best QB prospect in this years class.
I plan to post this every single time  
Beezer : 2/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
there is a thread or post about drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds.

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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."

via Twitter
If the Giants think Haskins  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 7:22 am : link
is the QB of the future, they'll probably have to trade up. I doubt he's there @ 6. I personally don't want Haskins, but who cares what I want? BPA to me.
RE: I plan to post this every single time  
section125 : 2/11/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14292873 Beezer said:
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there is a thread or post about drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds.

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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."

via Twitter


Doesn't matter what he thinks. I'll bet Haskins, Lock, probably Murray and possibly Jones go in the 1st round. That is because teams overreach every year.

I also do not believe the Giants have to trade up, nor do I believe DG will trade up, to get Haskins. I'm 80/20 that he does not go QB round 1.
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