this guy's wild assed guess which is the same as 100 other wild assed guesses, but different than 200 other wild assed guesses. Why people think any of these wild assed guesses titled a mock draft are worth reading is beyond me.
Only reason to move up is concerns that Jacksonville Â
Unless you love one of the QB’s more than the others, stay at 6. I think Haskins and Lock are both very good but they are different from each other. Murray is the wild card. Jones might slip to the late 1st round and you may be able to move up and get him.
I don’t think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.
This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is “his team is to good” maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
Unless you love one of the QB’s more than the others, stay at 6. I think Haskins and Lock are both very good but they are different from each other. Murray is the wild card. Jones might slip to the late 1st round and you may be able to move up and get him.
I don’t think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.
Just read Serby has us giving up a 2020 3rd round pick. If that is all it took then sure but I doubt it.
Trading up to get Haskins, who has only a little over a year of experience as a starting QB in a big time college program, would be insanity for the GIANTS who have a still decent QB but need a lot of IMMEDIATE help on the OL and all over the defense to become any kind of a serious championship contender.
And getting only a 2020 third rounder to allow the GIANTS to move up from #6 to #4 would be insanity for the Raiders.
with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball. If this was Lawrence I would be all in but not for Haskins.
And you don't trade up 2 spots for a guy who will be sitting there at 6.
The only possible trade up scenario (IMHO), is if Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams was still on the board at number 4. Or maybe for Jonah Williams or Josh Allen if the Giants were absolutely enamored with one of them and they were sure that they'd be gone at no.4 or 5.
I get a kick out of the reporters copying each other and have predetermined that the Giants are drooling over Haskins because Eli is entering his senior years (by NFL standards)
I suspect the Giants are more likely to trade down than up in this years draft. If they are sold on getting yet another QB, it stands to reason they'd go after Daniel Jones as he's a cerebral, tall (6'5") pocket passer, with a very accurate arm.
Just my opinion. I trust the staff is doing a superb job at studying, researching, and vetting every prospect out there. They'll get a gem at the 6 spot and probably another gem in round 2.
In comment 14291804 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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the next guy... and then it would make sense. But Steve Serby has less insight than almost anyone in sports.
They all seem to jump on bandwagons for one guy (Haskins is the latest) and act like they're revealing some sort of original brilliant idea that nobody else has considered
This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is “his team is to good” maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is “his team is to good” maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
good post
College QB stats don’t mean much. With that being said, I still like Haskins. Even though he may have had more time to throw than other top QBs (not sure that’s a fact), his receivers weren’t running WFO like some offenses are able to create. He had to put a lot of passes on the money with solid coverage.
the Giants staff of experts will watch every single pass Haskins has ever thrown that has been recorded and they will take virtually everything into account from the offensive line, to the receivers, to the style of game, to his reactions to certain situations, to football IQ, to personality, to the intangibles like "is he a real true blue football player who lives for the game and plays like it" for which a number cannot be attached. And probably a dozen other things for which they can put a number on and most likely, the sections are weighted to adjust the number for optimizing their scouting reports.
That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)
They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.
the Giants staff of experts will watch every single pass Haskins has ever thrown that has been recorded and they will take virtually everything into account from the offensive line, to the receivers, to the style of game, to his reactions to certain situations, to football IQ, to personality, to the intangibles like "is he a real true blue football player who lives for the game and plays like it" for which a number cannot be attached. And probably a dozen other things for which they can put a number on and most likely, the sections are weighted to adjust the number for optimizing their scouting reports.
That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)
They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.
Lol take a OT or DE over a QB.. now I’ve heard it all, on what universe is a DE or OT on the same level as a QB. Ever heard of Joe Thomas HOF OT check the browns record with him.They foolishly passed on Carson Wentz Pat Mahommes Desean Watson....that’s what you people want?
In fact the Pats just won the Super Bowl and there 1st Round OT missed the whole season.. You think they have any shot if that happened to Brady
Lol yes let’s draft a top 10 OT or DE and win 5 games because our QB play is substandard
It’s nuanced, but they’re saying take a good to great DL or OT Â
Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.
RE: It’s nuanced, but they’re saying take a good to great DL or OT Â
Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.
The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.
You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.
Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.
The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.
You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.
There's a whole lotta stupid on draft threads.
So....you're implying that if Nick Bosa was on the board with a 99 ranking, the Giants would pass on him for Haskins because inside staffers rating system means nothing because "we need a QB no matter what to hold the clipboard for Eli?"
There's a whole lotta stupid right there...LOL
''with 13 career starts who has all day to throw the ball'... Â
You do if you've developed a conviction he's going to be a franchise type prospect at the position...and he might be. He's certainly far and away the best QB prospect in this years class.
there is a thread or post about drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds.
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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."
is the QB of the future, they'll probably have to trade up. I doubt he's there @ 6. I personally don't want Haskins, but who cares what I want? BPA to me.
there is a thread or post about drafting a quarterback in the first two rounds.
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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."
via Twitter
Doesn't matter what he thinks. I'll bet Haskins, Lock, probably Murray and possibly Jones go in the 1st round. That is because teams overreach every year.
I also do not believe the Giants have to trade up, nor do I believe DG will trade up, to get Haskins. I'm 80/20 that he does not go QB round 1.
Lock does not make it to 10 imo.
And Murray will go early as well.
I don’t think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
I don’t think giving up next years 1st or this years 2nd is smart.
Just read Serby has us giving up a 2020 3rd round pick. If that is all it took then sure but I doubt it.
And getting only a 2020 third rounder to allow the GIANTS to move up from #6 to #4 would be insanity for the Raiders.
Gruden: "Better offer us a 3rd...Jacksonville is offering next years 4th....for their next franchise QB."
It will cost a minimum of this years 2nd...probably next years 1st.
I say, do not do it.
Get bpa at 6th.
And you don't trade up 2 spots for a guy who will be sitting there at 6.
The only possible trade up scenario (IMHO), is if Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams was still on the board at number 4. Or maybe for Jonah Williams or Josh Allen if the Giants were absolutely enamored with one of them and they were sure that they'd be gone at no.4 or 5.
I get a kick out of the reporters copying each other and have predetermined that the Giants are drooling over Haskins because Eli is entering his senior years (by NFL standards)
I suspect the Giants are more likely to trade down than up in this years draft. If they are sold on getting yet another QB, it stands to reason they'd go after Daniel Jones as he's a cerebral, tall (6'5") pocket passer, with a very accurate arm.
Just my opinion. I trust the staff is doing a superb job at studying, researching, and vetting every prospect out there. They'll get a gem at the 6 spot and probably another gem in round 2.
That’s good. Because he started 14 games. And Lawrence didn’t even start that many. So thanks for playing!
They all seem to jump on bandwagons for one guy (Haskins is the latest) and act like they're revealing some sort of original brilliant idea that nobody else has considered
Serby is an overdramatic corny hack
If that is the best criticism they can dig up on him, i hope he is the guy.
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
good post
Quote:
This board cracks me up regarding Haskins.. It makes me lol when the only criticism you guys can come up with is “his team is to good” maybe the offense looks that good because of the QB you know the guy touching the ball every snap the most important player on the field.. nope not with these people
Do you guys know anything about college football? Ohio State always gets the top recruits in the big 10, they always have the best talent
They never have had this type of passing season
Haskins broke Drew Brees big 10 passing records... yes that Drew Brees
good post
College QB stats don’t mean much. With that being said, I still like Haskins. Even though he may have had more time to throw than other top QBs (not sure that’s a fact), his receivers weren’t running WFO like some offenses are able to create. He had to put a lot of passes on the money with solid coverage.
That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)
They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.
That said, they'll do the same with a half dozen QBs in this draft that they might be interested in. They don't read bogus mocks from fans or magazines from Walmart/
Barnes and Noble or copy-cat reporters on the sports pages to make tough decisions (although, it's possible that might have happened with the previous staff - LOL)
They will have scores on hundreds of players that will never be made public. If there's a DE with a score of 98.96 or an OT with a score of 99.12 and they have a score of 94.79 on Haskins....they're gonna take the OT or DE first. In fact, they need an OT or a pass rushing DE worse than they need a QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines.
Lol take a OT or DE over a QB.. now I’ve heard it all, on what universe is a DE or OT on the same level as a QB. Ever heard of Joe Thomas HOF OT check the browns record with him.They foolishly passed on Carson Wentz Pat Mahommes Desean Watson....that’s what you people want?
In fact the Pats just won the Super Bowl and there 1st Round OT missed the whole season.. You think they have any shot if that happened to Brady
Lol yes let’s draft a top 10 OT or DE and win 5 games because our QB play is substandard
The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.
You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.
There's a whole lotta stupid on draft threads.
According to who? You? Lol sure
Lock does not make it to 10 imo.
And Murray will go early as well.
I think TC is going to swing a deal for Foles, so they won't be a concern if that happens!
Didn't Todd stuff Serby in his locker? Was that where he wrote the article?
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Over alesser QB than can be had next year. If the calculus was such that the QB was better or even slightly less than the DL or OT, they would be advocating for a QB. Just any old guy is not sufficient. You have to use good judgment.
The dude right above you said they'd take a "99 point" OT or DE over a "95 point" QB. That's not nuanced, that's a moronic lack of understanding of the significance of the point ratings, in all likelihood. Because a 4 point difference almost assuredly means almost nothing in terms of the higher rated player actually being better.
You have to have knowledge of what those point ratings really mean. It's not a fucking basketball score at the buzzer at 99 beats 95.
There's a whole lotta stupid on draft threads.
So....you're implying that if Nick Bosa was on the board with a 99 ranking, the Giants would pass on him for Haskins because inside staffers rating system means nothing because "we need a QB no matter what to hold the clipboard for Eli?"
There's a whole lotta stupid right there...LOL
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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."
via Twitter
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speaking of draft scouts, this is the latest from Russ Lande:
SHO'NUFF : 2/9/2019 8:26 pm : link : reply
"I must be missing something in regards to this year's QB class as every mock draft I have seen has 3 or 4 QBs in 1st round, but I have evaluated nearly all the hyped QBs and haven't given a 1st or 2nd round grade to any QB yet."
via Twitter
Doesn't matter what he thinks. I'll bet Haskins, Lock, probably Murray and possibly Jones go in the 1st round. That is because teams overreach every year.
I also do not believe the Giants have to trade up, nor do I believe DG will trade up, to get Haskins. I'm 80/20 that he does not go QB round 1.