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LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/10/2019 9:24 am


Zion or bust.
A top 5 pick  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/10/2019 9:24 am : link
wouldn't be good enough for a season like this. I've said this early on in the year, I think Fizdale is lowkey tanking on purpose.
Anyone catch that block by Zion yesterday?  
Chris684 : 2/10/2019 9:47 am : link
What a freak.

The only thing that sucks a little bit is the new draft lottery rules making it more difficult to lock up the 1st pick.

Other than that, if youíve been a long time Knicks fan itís hard not to get excited about all the possibilities this coming offseason.
Isn't John Jenkins too old for this roster?  
Anakim : 2/10/2019 9:48 am : link
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Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 2/10/2019 10:14 am : link
If the Knicks end up with the 4th or 5th pick after this season. that is a true disaster.

I posted this in the other thread-

I know a lot of this hinges on the situation the Knicks are in, but would you be in favor of trading Zion for Anthony Davis?

- Iím also loving the Celtics struggle. Very telling comments from Morris. That team is a mess. Whereís the criticism of Brad Stevens?
Typical Knick bad timing  
PhilSimms15 : 2/10/2019 10:16 am : link
Could the change in lottery rules be next year. Knicks chances at the first pick (if they come in last) last year was 25% and now itís 14%. Last year the further theyíd fall is to #4 and now its #5.

Arenít the Knicks overdue for some luck. Please.
RE: Knicks  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/10/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14292215 TyreeHelmet said:
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I know a lot of this hinges on the situation the Knicks are in, but would you be in favor of trading Zion for Anthony Davis?


No. Weíd have to empty the cupboards. Weíd give up Frank, DSJ, Knox and 4 first rounders? Thatís like emptying the cupboards for Melo all over again.

Keep the core. Draft Zion (based on your scenario) and sign two max players. KD, Kawhi.
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robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14292217 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14292215 TyreeHelmet said:


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I know a lot of this hinges on the situation the Knicks are in, but would you be in favor of trading Zion for Anthony Davis?



No. Weíd have to empty the cupboards. Weíd give up Frank, DSJ, Knox and 4 first rounders? Thatís like emptying the cupboards for Melo all over again.

Keep the core. Draft Zion (based on your scenario) and sign two max players. KD, Kawhi.


As much as I really like Leonard it sounds like he is all but guaranteed to go to the Clippers.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 10:22 am : link
Fizdale is handling this masterfully.
Somehow  
Jon in NYC : 2/10/2019 10:25 am : link
I ended up at each of the last 3 home games. Im such a dumbass.
RE: RE: Knicks  
Doubledeuce22 : 2/10/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14292217 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14292215 TyreeHelmet said:


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I know a lot of this hinges on the situation the Knicks are in, but would you be in favor of trading Zion for Anthony Davis?



No. Weíd have to empty the cupboards. Weíd give up Frank, DSJ, Knox and 4 first rounders? Thatís like emptying the cupboards for Melo all over again.

Keep the core. Draft Zion (based on your scenario) and sign two max players. KD, Kawhi.


I would gladly empty the cupboard for KD, Kyrie, and AD. Who cares at that point? Good players would flock here for the veteran minimum just for a chance to play in NY and win championships.
Could They Fall to 5th?  
Samiam : 2/10/2019 10:31 am : link
They have the worst record slightly worse than Cleveland and Phoenix, a few wins less than Chicago. I could see them winning meaningless games to catch those 3 teams. But Theyíll never catch Atlanta. Is there a process where they could draft belie Atlanta?
Odds  
TyreeHelmet : 2/10/2019 10:32 am : link
Didnít realize how badly the new lottery odds hurt the worst team now. Last years rules gave the worst team a
-25% chance at number 1
-65 % chance at top 3
- could not fall past number 4

This year
- 14% at number 1
-52% at top 4
-48% at 5th overall.

That is a significant disadvantage! Itís really time for some Knicks luck. They canít have PHX or Cleveland win another lottery.
Rip Fizdale for x's and O's  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 10:33 am : link
and no offe sive system right now but he has done a fantastic job keeping this team together and playing hard..

Even deandre jordan who is 30 is playing hard
RE: Odds  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14292229 TyreeHelmet said:
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Didnít realize how badly the new lottery odds hurt the worst team now. Last years rules gave the worst team a
-25% chance at number 1
-65 % chance at top 3
- could not fall past number 4

This year
- 14% at number 1
-52% at top 4
-48% at 5th overall.

That is a significant disadvantage! Itís really time for some Knicks luck. They canít have PHX or Cleveland win another lottery.


with changing the odds they also changed the lottery to 4 teams not 3...

so now the top 4 is drawn
There  
Jon in NYC : 2/10/2019 10:36 am : link
were some pretty juicy tidbits in the Berman article today. Most notably:

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The Knicks have plenty of young assets the Pelicans would consider, according to a source. Along with a lottery pick in June and one of the two Dallas first-rounders, the Pelicans can choose between two of the following: Smith, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Mitchell Robinson and Damyean Dotson.

According to a league source close to Pelicans general manager Dell Demps, the Knicks tried convincing New Orleans not to wait because anything can happen to the landscape.
RE: Somehow  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/10/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14292224 Jon in NYC said:
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I ended up at each of the last 3 home games. Im such a dumbass.


How much are tickets going for these days with the Knicks being the worst team in the league?
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Jon in NYC : 2/10/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14292240 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14292224 Jon in NYC said:


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I ended up at each of the last 3 home games. Im such a dumbass.



How much are tickets going for these days with the Knicks being the worst team in the league?


I paid 75 for the Mavs game, 30 for the Pistons game and last night they were gifted to me. But beers are still each 13 a piece so fml.
RE: Knicks  
djm : 2/10/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14292215 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks end up with the 4th or 5th pick after this season. that is a true disaster.

I posted this in the other thread-

I know a lot of this hinges on the situation the Knicks are in, but would you be in favor of trading Zion for Anthony Davis?

- Iím also loving the Celtics struggle. Very telling comments from Morris. That team is a mess. Whereís the criticism of Brad Stevens?


The Hindenburg was a disaster. If the Knicks end up picking 4th or 5th the world wonít stop spinning. The Knicks can still win in 2019 if they donít get lotto luck.

Iíd prepare for pick 4 if I weíre some of you. Youíll be better off.
I am fine picks 1 to 3  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 11:09 am : link
Great thing for the knicks end all be all is not just draft lottery..
The new lottery rules are a joke. There are 4 teams that are blatantly  
Mike in NJ : 2/10/2019 11:24 am : link
Tanking this year. So obviously the changes havenít done much to deter teams from bottoming out, so what exactly is being accomplished? For a team in a small market like Cleveland, all this does is ensure that they are going to be bad, and have to tank for a longer period of time. They arenít going to attract any free agents, so their only path back to relevancy is to get lucky in the draft and now thatís less likely to happen.

These changes were a knee jerk reaction to what the Sixers did for 3 years, which ended up working out pretty damn well for them. There are going to be bad teams every year, whether they do it purposely or not. The product on the court hasnít suffered. The west is as competitive as ever, and the top 3 in the East is as strong as anyone out West, and this is despite there being teams that are still clearly trying to lose.
What the hell happened on January 4th.  
GiantsUA : 2/10/2019 11:24 am : link
We went to the Christmas Day game, bit of blowout, hoping it was close.

No more $ for tickets until there is something worth paying for.
RE: I am fine picks 1 to 3  
Earl the goat : 2/10/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14292252 nygiants16 said:
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Great thing for the knicks end all be all is not just draft lottery..


Totally agree
Barrett and Reddish and Morant will all be very very good players
No  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2019 11:50 am : link
thanks on Reddish. Would be such a disappointment to add him. Motor really scares me.
Reddish  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2019 11:53 am : link
is going to be 20 as a rookie, which obviously isn't old but it's quite old for a one and done who had a disappointing season. 37% from the field? 3 boards? Yikes
yeah no on reddish for me  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 11:55 am : link
Zion, morant, barrett...
I am up to speed on  
GMEN46 : 2/10/2019 11:56 am : link
All of the nba prospects, but watching the kid from USC a few times, early on he looked super talented and good measurements. Porter Jr is his last name I believe. Anyone have a view on him, would he be in the 5/6 range?
I meant to say  
GMEN46 : 2/10/2019 11:57 am : link
I am not up to speed
I'd be  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2019 12:01 pm : link
done with the Knicks (he has them passing on Morant)

3. New York Knicks - Jarrett Culver, SG, Texas Tech
Culver was considered a fringe first-round prospect in the preseason, but has shot up draft boards during a breakout sophomore campaign by improving his scoring efficiency while significantly raising his usage rate. A 6í6 guard who may still be growing, Culver is thriving as an offensive initiator this season, proving he can stockpile buckets (18.8 points per game) and still get his teammates involved by more than doubling his assist rate. He also plays an integral role defensively for the countryís No. 1 defense.

Culver might lack the ideal athletic pop for a top-three draft pick, but he makes up for it with versatility and smarts. This is a big guard who can play on or off the ball. Heís a reliable catch-and-shoot threat from three-point range (37 percent) and also a master at moving around screens without the ball to put himself in position to score. He may not have the star upside of a player like Barrett, but he almost feels like a safer bet to contribute to winning within a team construct.
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For those watching more closely than me  
theold5j : 2/10/2019 12:06 pm : link
Where do you project Zion in the NBA. From a distance to me I feel like hes a little under sized for PF and prob cant play SF.
RE: For those watching more closely than me  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14292287 theold5j said:
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Where do you project Zion in the NBA. From a distance to me I feel like hes a little under sized for PF and prob cant play SF.


I suspect Zion will begin his career as an undersized 4, but some teams apparently like him at the 5 believe it not.
RE: I'd be  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14292282 DanMetroMan said:
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done with the Knicks (he has them passing on Morant)

3. New York Knicks - Jarrett Culver, SG, Texas Tech
Culver was considered a fringe first-round prospect in the preseason, but has shot up draft boards during a breakout sophomore campaign by improving his scoring efficiency while significantly raising his usage rate. A 6í6 guard who may still be growing, Culver is thriving as an offensive initiator this season, proving he can stockpile buckets (18.8 points per game) and still get his teammates involved by more than doubling his assist rate. He also plays an integral role defensively for the countryís No. 1 defense.

Culver might lack the ideal athletic pop for a top-three draft pick, but he makes up for it with versatility and smarts. This is a big guard who can play on or off the ball. Heís a reliable catch-and-shoot threat from three-point range (37 percent) and also a master at moving around screens without the ball to put himself in position to score. He may not have the star upside of a player like Barrett, but he almost feels like a safer bet to contribute to winning within a team construct. Link - ( New Window )


doesnt matter it is going to new orleans anyway
I would not be upset if the Knicks drafted at 4/5 and selected  
Optimus-NY : 2/10/2019 12:30 pm : link
Romeo Langford, the Freshman 2-Guard from Indiana.
If the Knicks pick 4th or 5th, is it Rui Hachimora?  
manh george : 2/10/2019 12:31 pm : link
NBADraft.net has him going 4th.

The linked scouting report is fairly impressive. His downside is his outside shot at this point. The unknown is whether that can be fixed.

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Hachimura is a physical specimen who shows flashes of big time upside. He has all the physical tools
to be a big time player and is starting to put it all together on the court. Projects as a versatile, stand-out defender.
Rui has an NBA build with great strength, long arms and awesome coordination
A menace in transition who can out run most other players on the floor
Has a really strong dribble drive game, using his bulk and quickness to get into the lane
Scores well in the lane and has a relentless motor on the offensive glass
Can rip and run, taking the defensive rebound and turning it into transition
Has become a solid free throw shooter
Has all the tools to be a standout defender with switch-ability


That wouldn't be a "fun" selection, but he sounds better than Reddish. 7'2" wingspan. He's very green because he comes out of Japan before Gonzaga.
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RE: I would not be upset if the Knicks drafted at 4/5 and selected  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14292313 Optimus-NY said:
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Romeo Langford, the Freshman 2-Guard from Indiana.

I want to like this guy, but the 3PT% is just dreadful. Definitely talented though. I wish there was a lights-out shooter at the top of this draft we could select.
My dark horse pick would be Darius Garland.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2019 12:37 pm : link
I could see him wowing teams in workouts.
Personally, and yes I think it would be a reach  
Really : 2/10/2019 12:39 pm : link
I think De'andre Hunter will be a stud in the league
any player the knicks add next year  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 12:41 pm : link
especially if they add durant, they need to be good 3 point shooters especially if you keep smith and deandre...

Knicks will need 2 shooters next to those 3 guys
No way to passing up Morant  
Pan-handler : 2/10/2019 12:41 pm : link
I think the clear top 2 are Williamson and Morant then there is a drop. All the other guys have much bigger question marks to become elite players. You see both those guys just at another speed than everyone else on the court. I remember going to a Seton Hall vs Gtown game when I was in college (wasnt a big college BBall guy at the time , more NBA) but there was this kid who looked like he was in fast forward while everyone else was in slo motion. I was like who is that guy?! Of course it was Iverson. Now Im not saying Morant is iverson. But the point is both these guys play at rare speed and explosiveness for their positions.
RE: RE: For those watching more closely than me  
Pan-handler : 2/10/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14292288 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14292287 theold5j said:


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Where do you project Zion in the NBA. From a distance to me I feel like hes a little under sized for PF and prob cant play SF.



I suspect Zion will begin his career as an undersized 4, but some teams apparently like him at the 5 believe it not.


Totally believe it because many teams dont have dominant Cs like back in the day of Ewing, Olujuwan, Robinson, Shaquille, Duncan, Smits etc.

With his immense frame a very strong 285 and his hops he would do OK at that spot provided he wasnt playing a really good C who could post him up with superior height and simultaneously deal with his strength.

On the Knicks if they somehow got him and Durant while keeping Knox, he would very likely get some minutes at the 5 depending on match ups.
Super  
Jon in NYC : 2/10/2019 12:56 pm : link
uninterested in Hachimura. Just looks like a good college player that will really struggle in the pros.
I think Bol and Doumbouya  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2019 12:57 pm : link
are going to go higher than the mocks have them right now by the time the draft rolls around. Both guys are raw and there are concerns but Iím intrigued by their upside vs most of the guys not named Williamson, Barrett or Morant.
Jesus christ  
theold5j : 2/10/2019 1:35 pm : link
I just saw Zion block from last night
Alan Hahn called the Zion block...  
manh george : 2/10/2019 2:57 pm : link
the most athletic play he has ever seen in basketball.

Could be.
The Knicks just sent out season ticket renewals.  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2019 3:36 pm : link
Look what photo they chose to use...

So they  
XBRONX : 2/10/2019 3:39 pm : link
open the season with GSW? LOL
RE: The Knicks just sent out season ticket renewals.  
Eli Wilson : 2/10/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14292420 Strahan91 said:
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Look what photo they chose to use...



No way that's a coincidence lol.
I was talking NBA with some friends the other day  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 3:54 pm : link
and they're from Oakland and Boston respectively. And, they're talking like their teams might make the Finals and the Knicks are in full tank mode.

For 20 years, it's been varying shades of down hill with their dumb trades, bad picks, and idiot moves.

For that reason, we, Knicks fans, deserve KD/Kyrie/Zion.
RE: I was talking NBA with some friends the other day  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14292435 PetesHereNow said:
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and they're from Oakland and Boston respectively. And, they're talking like their teams might make the Finals and the Knicks are in full tank mode.

For 20 years, it's been varying shades of down hill with their dumb trades, bad picks, and idiot moves.

For that reason, we, Knicks fans, deserve KD/Kyrie/Zion.


Boston is not making the finals...
PetesHereNow  
Samiam : 2/10/2019 4:36 pm : link
You have it backwards. If it was 20 years of injuries or bad luck, then the Knicks would deserve the break you described. With the Knicks, it been almost exclusively 20 years of stupidity and you get what you deserve. And Iíve been a Knicks fan since the 1950s.
RE: PetesHereNow  
robbieballs2003 : 2/10/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14292462 Samiam said:
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You have it backwards. If it was 20 years of injuries or bad luck, then the Knicks would deserve the break you described. With the Knicks, it been almost exclusively 20 years of stupidity and you get what you deserve. And Iíve been a Knicks fan since the 1950s.


In fairness I think he said the fans deserve it. The front office sure as hell doesn't but I do like the job Perry has done.
RE: I was talking NBA with some friends the other day  
chopperhatch : 2/10/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14292435 PetesHereNow said:
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and they're from Oakland and Boston respectively. And, they're talking like their teams might make the Finals and the Knicks are in full tank mode.

For 20 years, it's been varying shades of down hill with their dumb trades, bad picks, and idiot moves.

For that reason, we, Knicks fans, deserve KD/Kyrie/Zion.


That would be a ridiculous front court.
RE: RE: PetesHereNow  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14292503 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14292462 Samiam said:


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You have it backwards. If it was 20 years of injuries or bad luck, then the Knicks would deserve the break you described. With the Knicks, it been almost exclusively 20 years of stupidity and you get what you deserve. And Iíve been a Knicks fan since the 1950s.



In fairness I think he said the fans deserve it. The front office sure as hell doesn't but I do like the job Perry has done.

Agreed. After dealing with Layden, Isiah, Phil, Dolan, etc we deserve to win the lottery and come away with Zion, Durant, and Irving this offseason plus a few good veterans who sign cheap deals because they want to come here and win.
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PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14292503 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14292462 Samiam said:


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You have it backwards. If it was 20 years of injuries or bad luck, then the Knicks would deserve the break you described. With the Knicks, it been almost exclusively 20 years of stupidity and you get what you deserve. And Iíve been a Knicks fan since the 1950s.



In fairness I think he said the fans deserve it. The front office sure as hell doesn't but I do like the job Perry has done.


I meant the fans. We/I deserve to be relevant in these random NBA conversations.
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