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AAF Week 1 / Day 2 - Memphis v. Birmingham / Arizona v. SLC

arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 4:17 pm
In the words of BBI legend Mills Lane....

Let's get it on!
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 4:17 pm : link
Also... go SLC!

Go Express!  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:19 pm : link
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I may be biased but I like the Memphis  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:21 pm : link
logo and uni's.
My Iron's uniforms are great  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:21 pm : link
Home teams look like a solid bet in this league.
RE: My Iron's uniforms are great  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14292447 PetesHereNow said:
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Home teams look like a solid bet in this league.


I am a degenerate. I took the under.
RE: RE: My Iron's uniforms are great  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14292449 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 14292447 PetesHereNow said:


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Home teams look like a solid bet in this league.



I am a degenerate. I took the under.


Two unders yesterday, it's a solid play (ok, a tad degenerate) lol.
Louie should have ran with that 3rd and 5....  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:28 pm : link
I don't like the sky cam with live action.. hard to follow the ball.

3-0 B'Ham! Forge on!
Which  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2019 4:28 pm : link
Tv stations?
RE: Which  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14292454 Jay on the Island said:
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Tv stations?


Now it's on CBS Sports. ch. 221 Direct TV.

Tonight is NFL Network.
Are the games televised?  
Tuckrule : 2/10/2019 4:30 pm : link
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CBSN  
kes722 : 2/10/2019 4:31 pm : link
215 in Altice
uuugghh  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:31 pm : link
Hackenberg sucks.
RE: Are the games televised?  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14292456 Tuckrule said:
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Yup - on CBS Sports.

Last night the SA/SD game was on regular CBS. They'll all be televised, I believe.
RE: RE: Are the games televised?  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14292459 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14292456 Tuckrule said:


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Yup - on CBS Sports.

Last night the SA/SD game was on regular CBS. They'll all be televised, I believe.


Yep, CBS sports, NFL Network, TNT. Some are streamed on their app, and some are on Bleacher Report Live (also an app on the phone/computer).
I'm watching these games as a chance to find  
Tom in NY : 2/10/2019 4:37 pm : link
OL Depth
DB Depth
LB Depth
....maybe a 4th/5th WR and/or 3rd TE.

Expectations above that are not realistic.
That said, all the positions mentioned need upgrading and perhaps this minor league is a way for the Giants to do so at league minimum level, without spending draft picks on them.
RE: I'm watching these games as a chance to find  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14292464 Tom in NY said:
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OL Depth
DB Depth
LB Depth
....maybe a 4th/5th WR and/or 3rd TE.

Expectations above that are not realistic.
That said, all the positions mentioned need upgrading and perhaps this minor league is a way for the Giants to do so at league minimum level, without spending draft picks on them.


I'm reasonably sure we can find a FS better that Curtis Riley, and he started for us, lol.
ok  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:41 pm : link
I am switching teams
RE: ok  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14292467 Jints in Carolina said:
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I am switching teams


Hahaha.
RE: ok  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14292467 Jints in Carolina said:
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I am switching teams


May I suggest the Birmingham Iron?
Nah I'll stick with them  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:46 pm : link
but my God Hackenberg is awful.
RE: Nah I'll stick with them  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14292472 Jints in Carolina said:
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but my God Hackenberg is awful.


you'll see Mettenberger soon, I think.
Defense looks good so far  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:53 pm : link
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So  
kes722 : 2/10/2019 4:53 pm : link
Does anyone think one of these teams Could beat a top 10 CFB team?
Yes!!!  
OBJRoyal : 2/10/2019 4:53 pm : link
Two FG's!!
Qb  
OBJRoyal : 2/10/2019 4:55 pm : link
Hackenberg sucks
RE: So  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14292479 kes722 said:
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Does anyone think one of these teams Could beat a top 10 CFB team?


Lawrence Tynes said that any one of the teams playing last night would beat them by 14-21 points.
RE: So  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14292479 kes722 said:
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Does anyone think one of these teams Could beat a top 10 CFB team?


Yes, from a pure physical maturity standpoint, 25-30 year old men are stronger than 19-20 year olds.

Also, most of these players were top contributors on their college teams only a few years ago.
SU  
OBJRoyal : 2/10/2019 5:04 pm : link
Former SU Wr and Giants practice squad WR playing for Birmingham. Etta-tawo
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 5:08 pm : link
Nick Novak the star for Birmingham right now. Moving easily between the 20's but stalling in the RZ.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 5:09 pm : link
They gotta switch QB's. Hackenberg is terrible.
Why did the Jets  
kes722 : 2/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
Draft Hackenberg in the 2nd? Perez is far better
Holy crap this is like watching the Giants offense  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 5:10 pm : link
sometimes.
Wow cant believe hackenberg was  
terz22 : 2/10/2019 5:21 pm : link
A second round pick wowzers.
I think 26 Summers on B'Ham might be someone we could use at FS  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 5:35 pm : link
Looked real good in coverage in the 1st half and had an INT on a tipped ball by a LB.
whew  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 5:57 pm : link
this team stinks.
These Recievers  
kes722 : 2/10/2019 5:57 pm : link
Can not catch....they get open... but drop everything
Oh boy  
OBJRoyal : 2/10/2019 6:16 pm : link
First replay controversy!!
RE: Oh boy  
kes722 : 2/10/2019 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14292539 OBJRoyal said:
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First replay controversy!!


I think we may have an advantage over the replay guy....I'm guessing he is watching on a small TV...
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 6:22 pm : link
Ooof. Memphis finally scores.. but it won't count
Honestly, I'm rooting for the Iron  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 6:23 pm : link
and I thought it was incomplete too.
26 can play  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 6:25 pm : link
Invite him to camp, Gettleman.
Back to the drawing board for my Express  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 6:44 pm : link
Sheesh.
there's my boy Summers forcing a fumble  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 6:46 pm : link
and my Iron will go to 1-0!

We will now scout arc's team.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 6:49 pm : link
The IRON were impressive. Looks like a really tough defense and I though Perez played really well.

TRich found his niche!
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 6:50 pm : link
Branden Oliver and Matt Asiata are going to be the new Thunder & Lightning. Lessss goooooooo.
Yep Birmingham looked very good  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 6:50 pm : link
The under was free cash.
Arc I am with you on this next one my friend  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 6:58 pm : link
Go Stallions!
It'd be really hard to get these over totals in this league  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 7:04 pm : link
Defense is naturally ahead of offense with limited practice time, too.

All three home teams won and covered.
RE: Arc I am with you on this next one my friend  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14292572 Jints in Carolina said:
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Go Stallions!


Woooo! Let's go!
RE: Back to the drawing board for my Express  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14292557 Jints in Carolina said:
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Sheesh.


Come to the winners! Come to Orlando!!!!!
Fired up for the prime-time game  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 7:21 pm : link
Should be a slobberknocker
Theres no NY team? Pfff  
Brown Recluse : 2/10/2019 7:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: Back to the drawing board for my Express  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14292582 jpkmets said:
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In comment 14292557 Jints in Carolina said:


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Sheesh.



Come to the winners! Come to Orlando!!!!!


I do dig the Apollos!
Salt Lake discombobulated  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:11 pm : link
early
Is 26 Jhurell Pressley who was on the NYG in preseason?  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:13 pm : link
The Arizona RB in this game.
RE: Is 26 Jhurell Pressley who was on the NYG in preseason?  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14292629 PetesHereNow said:
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The Arizona RB in this game.


Yup. And Woodrum (SLC QB) was signed by NYG as a UDFA.
RE: Is 26 Jhurell Pressley who was on the NYG in preseason?  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14292629 PetesHereNow said:
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The Arizona RB in this game.


I believe so.
I like the SLC  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:16 pm : link
unis
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:17 pm : link
Nice play, Woody! Hung tough in there.
SLC uni's are nice  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:17 pm : link
I like Arizona's helmet and logo but don't care too much for the uni's.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:19 pm : link
Gotta get a run game going here. Supposedly we have a strong OL. Use it.
Woody with the Eli-esque laser  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:19 pm : link
on that screen pass. lol.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:20 pm : link
LOL it hit him right in the face.

You gotta catch that!
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:20 pm : link
Hot mics everywhere.
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PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14292641 arcarsenal said:
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Gotta get a run game going here. Supposedly we have a strong OL. Use it.


I don't think any OL will be strong in this league, just not enough continuity and cohesion when you have only 4-5 weeks of practice.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:25 pm : link
Hah yeah, it's all relative, really... I'm assuming it'll be a tallest midget type thing.

So far, they've been awful up front. Ugh.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:26 pm : link
Some good 3rd down conversions so far at least
Well...  
Hsilwek92 : 2/10/2019 8:27 pm : link
They are emulating the Super Bowl thus far. So there’s that.
Woody moving the chains  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:27 pm : link
He can't catch it for you too though.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:27 pm : link
Another one... right in the face. LOL.
got to stop hitting receivers  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:27 pm : link
right in the face
I know that it won't happen  
Jay on the Island : 2/10/2019 8:27 pm : link
But I would love it if the AAF became the minor league system for the NFL. Players like Lauletta, McIntosh, Avery Moss, Sean Chandler, Evan Brown, Nick Gates, etc would benefit greatly from receiving live reps. I would tune into every game to check out these players as I am sure others would as well. The league could be profitable if the NFL invested in it. It would allow the NFL to try out some new proposed rule changes while also evaluating the referees.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:28 pm : link
No one can fucking catch.
Betting unders this weekend has been a gold mine  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:29 pm : link
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RE: I know that it won't happen  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14292656 Jay on the Island said:
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But I would love it if the AAF became the minor league system for the NFL. Players like Lauletta, McIntosh, Avery Moss, Sean Chandler, Evan Brown, Nick Gates, etc would benefit greatly from receiving live reps. I would tune into every game to check out these players as I am sure others would as well. The league could be profitable if the NFL invested in it. It would allow the NFL to try out some new proposed rule changes while also evaluating the referees.


This is really what they want this league to essentially become. Polian said that's the goal.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:30 pm : link
I wonder of the ATL defense is really, really shitty or if the Apollos just have an offense ahead of everyone else right now.
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Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14292663 arcarsenal said:
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I wonder of the ATL defense is really, really shitty or if the Apollos just have an offense ahead of everyone else right now.


I think ATL is a disaster.
Pressley impressed me in the preseason for the Giants  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:34 pm : link
and he looks good here.
some nice work from Zona  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:35 pm : link
on that drive.

Where's the D, Arc????
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PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14292663 arcarsenal said:
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I wonder of the ATL defense is really, really shitty or if the Apollos just have an offense ahead of everyone else right now.


I think ATL is on the highway to 0-10. Their HC resigned last month. Vick, the OC, resigned last week. It's not good.

San Diego minus the pts is my best bet next week.
Scallions finally  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:45 pm : link
on the move here.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:45 pm : link
Gotta bang it in here.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:46 pm : link
Matt Asiata! All year, baby!
Let's have a good game to close out week 1!  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:47 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:48 pm : link
Hope you guys are ready for my Josh Woodrum > Eli thread I've got ready to rock for tomorrow.
RE: Scallions finally  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14292676 jpkmets said:
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on the move here.

I'm gonna say that every time I eat scallions in the future.

The announcers in this game are really monotone. Might as well play music or something.
RE: RE: Scallions finally  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14292681 Geomon said:
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In comment 14292676 jpkmets said:


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on the move here.


I'm gonna say that every time I eat scallions in the future.

The announcers in this game are really monotone. Might as well play music or something.


Yes, not too energetic. But, seeing as how it's on NFL network, we can be thankful that it's not Emmitt and Irvin or something like that.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:49 pm : link
It's funny, I don't even notice that there aren't kickoffs. Whenever I watch NFL games, it's always when I either get up to get a beer or take a piss, so I often miss the touchback anyway. This doesn't feel any different.

Down goes Wolford!
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jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14292680 arcarsenal said:
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Hope you guys are ready for my Josh Woodrum > Eli thread I've got ready to rock for tomorrow.


Not even sure it would be too out of place!!!

So long as you stop into my "Gilbert caddies for Eli and then takes the reins in 2020" campaign.
I don't miss kickoffs at all  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 8:50 pm : link
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awww shit  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:51 pm : link
LOTS of flat-out dropped punts this weekend.

Really makes me appreciate the difficulty of the task.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:51 pm : link
Holy shit. CATCH THE BALL!
RE: RE: RE: Scallions finally  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14292684 jpkmets said:

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Yes, not too energetic. But, seeing as how it's on NFL network, we can be thankful that it's not Emmitt and Irvin or something like that.


Oh geez, you're right it could be worse.
wow, that's a big  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:51 pm : link
reversal of fortune. Nice throw!!!
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:52 pm : link
Awesome swing. Ugh.
Pressley  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:52 pm : link
showing he might get another look. Good drive.
Please let Mike Ditka commentate one of these  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:53 pm : link
I would like a "tits, merple, merple" sequel like that Raiders MNF game from years ago.
I think that's four  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:54 pm : link
really unprovoked punt muffs this weekend.

Teams are gonna have to find a pure hands guy.

SLC needs to calm this shit down and take this the other way.
Wolford is throwing some really good passes in this game.  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 8:55 pm : link
Salt Lake receivers need a lot of work catching balls.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 8:56 pm : link
The groundhog is giving me 6 more weeks of bad football I guess. :(
Damn, come on wooddrum  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:56 pm : link
Just have to not lose your head here. One score game.
Woody looking like Eli before the half at Philly there  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 8:56 pm : link
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kinda like the Zona  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:58 pm : link
unis better as I see them more.

SLC needs a big play here.
Wolford loves that post  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 8:59 pm : link
through.

Good play by the DB
How many passes will hit someone in the head in this game?  
PetesHereNow : 2/10/2019 9:00 pm : link
I count 3 so far.
More drops than  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:02 pm : link
Giants receivers.
I really wish  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 9:02 pm : link
they would stop pushing the "Most of this guys were NFL guys before" thing.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:02 pm : link
Can they just shut Marvin Lewis' mic off?
A lot of people writing  
madgiantscow009 : 2/10/2019 9:05 pm : link
AAF football, which is like saying the alliance of american football football. Which I like.
RE: A lot of people writing  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14292718 madgiantscow009 said:
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AAF football, which is like saying the alliance of american football football. Which I like.


Shades of WCW Wrestling
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Geomon : 2/10/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14292715 arcarsenal said:
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Can they just shut Marvin Lewis' mic off?

Yes please
nice kick by  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:10 pm : link
Folk
that's the through  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:13 pm : link
Woody needed right there.

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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:14 pm : link
Really nice throw. And finally caught!

TD before half would be big.
Something else Marvin Lewis isn't good at  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:14 pm : link
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RE: Something else Marvin Lewis isn't good at  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14292729 Jints in Carolina said:
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Commenting with all the insight and energy of a cinder block.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:15 pm : link
Ugh. We have one guy who can catch and now he's hurt.
So we're not going to explain what the penalty was?  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 9:15 pm : link
Ok
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:17 pm : link
Poor Woodrum. About 6 drops already.
these fuckers  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:17 pm : link
have got to catch better
Dragon Screw Leg Whip  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 9:17 pm : link
Good form there.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
Lol that should have been delay of game.
Not gonna explain the flag again.  
Geomon : 2/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
ugh
he's down  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:19 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:20 pm : link
TD!
Nice to have a close game at the half  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:20 pm : link
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there ya go!  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 9:20 pm : link
TD overcomes the super sketchy clock mgmt.

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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:21 pm : link
Yeah, holy shit - that clock management was terrible. And they got away with the DOG too. Lucky to come away with a TD but I'll take it.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:22 pm : link
Nice! We got a game.
Looks like this one is going to go over the total of 45  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:22 pm : link
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Woodrum is out?  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:39 pm : link
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RE: Woodrum is out?  
arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14292768 Jints in Carolina said:
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LOL yup. Already lost my QB!

DOINK.
You wait to show everyone what you can do  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:46 pm : link
and then you get hurt. Feel bad for him.
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:47 pm : link
Linehan about to Wally Pip Woody
Why couldn't Hackenberg get hurt?  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 9:48 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 2/10/2019 9:48 pm : link
Go for it
This escalated  
jpkmets : 2/10/2019 10:03 pm : link
Quickly
Arizona looks very good  
Jints in Carolina : 2/10/2019 10:04 pm : link
It sucks that the SLC QB got injured though.
I saw on twitter the AAF had higher ratings..  
Sean : 2/11/2019 3:33 am : link
than the NBA on ABC showcase game. Football is so far & away ahead of every other sport with regards to popularity.
RE: I saw on twitter the AAF had higher ratings..  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14292889 Sean said:
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than the NBA on ABC showcase game. Football is so far & away ahead of every other sport with regards to popularity.


The XFL debuted to huge ratings in week 1 years ago because I think people (including myself) were curious. After week 1 the ratings were a disaster.

The AAF debuted to more modest ratings this past weekend and I think this can really grow as a developmental league for the NFL. They have the financial backing and very good people in place.
It might end..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 8:14 am : link
up being a developmental league, but it will be bleeding cash really quickly.

The game thread was pretty generous in making it seem like there's good football being played. Those games were pretty brutal.
RE: It might end..  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14292925 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up being a developmental league, but it will be bleeding cash really quickly.

The game thread was pretty generous in making it seem like there's good football being played. Those games were pretty brutal.


Let's give it more time...they had a month to practice together and they had one scrimmage. I think the play will improve.
I don't know if it will...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 8:50 am : link
there have been leagues out there attempting to have an alternative, but the quality of play keeps tripping them up.

Even ignoring the XFL or the NFL Europe, the CFL has been in existence for decades and viewership peaked back when it was a sideshow on ESPN's early days, probably coinciding with Australian Rules Football's heyday!

These leagues aren't making it for one major reason - people in the end do care about the quality of play.

The only way I can see any alternate league succeeding is if they truly use it as a feeder system, moving players up and down from clubs so some attachment to the players with an established club forms in the fan's minds. Otherwise, we are just going to be watching a bunch of talentless hacks mucking it out in tertiary cities that will locally support them, but national interest will be nearly zilch.
Surprised  
Harvest Blend : 2/11/2019 9:32 am : link
anyone gives a shit about this league. Didn't know they were playing until Sunday morning.
RE: I don't know if it will...  
HomerJones45 : 2/11/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14292944 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there have been leagues out there attempting to have an alternative, but the quality of play keeps tripping them up.

Even ignoring the XFL or the NFL Europe, the CFL has been in existence for decades and viewership peaked back when it was a sideshow on ESPN's early days, probably coinciding with Australian Rules Football's heyday!

These leagues aren't making it for one major reason - people in the end do care about the quality of play.

The only way I can see any alternate league succeeding is if they truly use it as a feeder system, moving players up and down from clubs so some attachment to the players with an established club forms in the fan's minds. Otherwise, we are just going to be watching a bunch of talentless hacks mucking it out in tertiary cities that will locally support them, but national interest will be nearly zilch.
Alternate leagues haven't succeeded because a) they haven't been given a chance and b) the NFL and its toadies have conspired to trash the league. (the CFL predates the NFL and has been successful, but its entry in the US was handicapped by league rules that mandated a certain number of Canadians on every team and its reluctance to link itself to the US. For example, its tv commentators almost never tell you what US college a player attended).

You weren't around in the AFL days, or the WFL or the USFL. They all started the same way every other league started- ex-NFL players, players from small colleges and guys cut and waived from the NFL. What the AFL got was time: time to sort out owners, time for NBC to market it and time to acquire players. It took 7 or 8 years for it to get to parity with the NFL.

It is very cheap and easy to trash a new league with "quality of play". That is to be expected. Hopefully, Charlie Ebersol and his partners will have more nerve than his Dad did and stick with it. They were smart to head off some of the immediate critiques from NFL toadies in the sporting press by getting NFL-connected coaches and executives and billing it as a no-threat developmental league. I also fully expect the NFL will have its claws out for the reboot of the XFL. The NFL will probably spare the AAF so as to be able to say that it is not a monopoly because oh look there is this other league.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 10:29 am : link
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You weren't around in the AFL days, or the WFL or the USFL.


I was around for the USFL. What did all of those leagues have in common? Talented football players. And that's what sunk the other leagues.

The USFL would've had a difficult time maintaining sustained success, just as any league will, because they couldn't keep turning a profit with the salaries they were using to lure players there.

The AFL and NFL merged and the WFL sort of did the same thing the USFL did - a net effect of raising player salaries (as well as having a pretty good group of coaches migrate over to the NFL).

But how did they all first compete? by having a high level of talent. If football itself was the draw, Semipro leagues would at least have some relevency.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 11:08 am : link
Quality of play wasn't really consistent across all of the games. The SA/SD game was actually not bad. The ATL team looked awful, there were also a lot of drops and mis-throws last night but it's also Week 1 and literally the first weekend of the league. Of course it's going to be sloppy.

I think everyone should be used to the NFL not even resembling its best product until around Thanksgiving. And that's the highest level. We've been talking about the dip in the quality of play there for years now - so, I think it depends on expectations.

I was actually expecting worse, honestly. Given the talent pool, the limited prep time, ironing out all of the kinks, etc.... I didn't think it was terrible and think there's room to grow.

It's like watching minor league baseball. Same type of thing. If you just really enjoy the sport, you'll find some intrigue - I think it's true enough to the game that it can work.

The XFL was different - I was totally turned off by that the minute I watched it and knew it had zero staying power. That's not football.

But if they stick with this and develop it, I think it can work.

It's in its infancy... I'd temper my expectations for now .
All, thanks for the comments.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:22 am : link
I'm going to give it a whirl this weekend.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 11:32 am : link
The team I picked seems to be very weak @ WR - Denham the TE seems to be our only viable pass catcher.

Woodrum was in camp with NYG as a UDFA - I thought he played well. Drops absolutely sabotaged him but he had them in the game.

Linehan wasn't awful after Woodrum had to leave with the hammy injury, but the mistakes just gave Arizona too many chances. Kind of felt like the game turned on the muffed punt that turned into 8 points on the very next play.

The Arizona QB played well.

Perez - the Iron QB was probably the most impressive of the bunch.

I also like Patton - that WR the Iron have. They look like the best team to me right now, but the Apollos won really convincingly too - albeit against ATL who will probably be the worst in the league.

SLC has the Iron next, too. On the road. We might be looking at 0-2 :(
The team that was picked for me is just weak  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 11:50 am : link
period.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14293222 Jints in Carolina said:
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The football groundhog may have given you and I 6 (10) more weeks of shitty football!

I also fear I may have one of the worst coaches. Erickson's clock management at times was baffling. Not calling timeout on the plus side of the 2 min warning when he had 3 left and waiting... the 2nd TD drive before the half they almost ran out of time, too - there was no urgency or clock management at all.
RE: RE: The team that was picked for me is just weak  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14293229 arcarsenal said:
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period.



The football groundhog may have given you and I 6 (10) more weeks of shitty football!

I also fear I may have one of the worst coaches. Erickson's clock management at times was baffling. Not calling timeout on the plus side of the 2 min warning when he had 3 left and waiting... the 2nd TD drive before the half they almost ran out of time, too - there was no urgency or clock management at all.


Hey but both of our teams road uni's are sweet!
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 12:02 pm : link
Haha, agreed! At least we'll look good while we lose!
Hey arc...I mean how great is this card!  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
Glad I went with Orlando as my team  
YAJ2112 : 2/11/2019 3:41 pm : link
had no idea they were the Giants affiliate
RE: Hey arc...I mean how great is this card!  
arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14293572 Jints in Carolina said:
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Ooof. Bercovici has probably had a tough start to his week. That guy got absolutely lit up in that game.
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