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NFT: NBA Chat: Anyone else sick of Magic Johnson?

nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:39 am
The lovefest for him is laughable to me. He then blames the Pelicans and accuses them of bad negotiations in the media.

Then he tells his young players they have to grow up because all deals are in the mdia. Umm no magic they are not all in the media..


Then Ben Simmons says he wants to work with Magic and instead of saying we probably will not be able to make it happen. He puts the onus on the sixers to say no and risk alienating their star by not allowing it.

Dude shut up you have made horrible moves and lucked into lebron
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Atlanta is not a good sports town.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:45 am : link
It's a city full of transplants for the most part.
Braves were 11th last year in attendance.  
Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 11:48 am : link
The Hawks for comparison were dead last in the NBA, only team in the nba with under 80%. They were awful of course with little reason to watch so it's not apples to apples.
Somewhat related  
Anakim : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
Anthony Edwards committed to Georgia. Big get for their basketball team. Edwards and James Wiseman Jr. are the front-runners to go #1 overall in the 2020 Draft.


So Giants/Knicks fans, which of these two would you prefer:

The Duke Option:

Giants - Daniel Jones
Knicks - Zion Williamson/RJ Barrett


OR



The Georgia Option:

Giants - Jake Fromm
Knicks - Anthony Edwards
Caught a bit of 76ers-LAL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.
RE: Braves were 11th last year in attendance.  
Anakim : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14293217 Strahan91 said:
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The Hawks for comparison were dead last in the NBA, only team in the nba with under 80%. They were awful of course with little reason to watch so it's not apples to apples.


And they passed on Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Yuck. Doncic could've revitalized that franchise.
RE: Caught a bit of 76ers-LAL  
Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 11:52 am : link
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yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.

Is the consensus still that they're absolutely going to resign Butler? With Simmons up for his rookie max soon, Embiid's deal, + Harris and Butler on max contracts, that would be one massive payroll. He seems less necessary with the Harris addition who I think is a better fit next to JE and BS
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leatherneck570 : 2/11/2019 11:59 am : link
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.



That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.


I went to one Hawks game in Atlanta during the Millsap, Horford, etc years and it was completely empty in the arena. Surprising given that they were a perennial playoff team. Small sample size I know but I went to a falcons game the next day which was jam packed. I wonder if it's just not a popular sport in Atlanta the same way football and baseball is.



Aren't the Braves known for shitty attendance even during the Maddox/Glavine years?

Btw, what ever happened to GiantFilthy?


Banned for doing dirty things.
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leatherneck570 : 2/11/2019 12:00 pm : link
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.



That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.


I went to one Hawks game in Atlanta during the Millsap, Horford, etc years and it was completely empty in the arena. Surprising given that they were a perennial playoff team. Small sample size I know but I went to a falcons game the next day which was jam packed. I wonder if it's just not a popular sport in Atlanta the same way football and baseball is.



Aren't the Braves known for shitty attendance even during the Maddox/Glavine years?

Btw, what ever happened to GiantFilthy?



Banned for doing dirty things.


actually I have no idea who you are talking about...did he used to post here?
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 12:04 pm : link
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yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.


Is the consensus still that they're absolutely going to resign Butler? With Simmons up for his rookie max soon, Embiid's deal, + Harris and Butler on max contracts, that would be one massive payroll. He seems less necessary with the Harris addition who I think is a better fit next to JE and BS


The plan is to sign everyone, at least those were the reports
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djm : 2/11/2019 12:13 pm : link
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Beningo really underrates AD. He keeps harping on the fact that he's only won one postseason series. HE WAS IN THE WEST WITH TRASH TALENT AROUND HIM. Come on Joe.


Beningo isnít the sharpest sports fan around. I say that as a fan of his but he comes off as pretty immature or simple minded. FWIW I know 2 people who have interacted with Beningo on numerous occasions who swear up and down that heís a big time asshole in the real world. I know... cool story.
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djm : 2/11/2019 12:17 pm : link
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.



That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.


I went to one Hawks game in Atlanta during the Millsap, Horford, etc years and it was completely empty in the arena. Surprising given that they were a perennial playoff team. Small sample size I know but I went to a falcons game the next day which was jam packed. I wonder if it's just not a popular sport in Atlanta the same way football and baseball is.



Aren't the Braves known for shitty attendance even during the Maddox/Glavine years?

Btw, what ever happened to GiantFilthy?



Banned for doing dirty things.



actually I have no idea who you are talking about...did he used to post here?


Filthy did more than post here. It still smells like sex in some rooms because of him. He is sorely missed.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 12:24 pm : link
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yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.


Is the consensus still that they're absolutely going to resign Butler? With Simmons up for his rookie max soon, Embiid's deal, + Harris and Butler on max contracts, that would be one massive payroll. He seems less necessary with the Harris addition who I think is a better fit next to JE and BS


Apparently the plan is to keep everyone around, but we'll see. Harris is a good insurance policy if Butler bolts, which I think is more realistic than Harris leaving.
Knicks still have fewest wins (10)  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 3:00 pm : link
Cavs and Suns have 11, Bulls have 13. Hawks are up to 18, so they should be locked into the #5 spot in the lottery race. Now that the Bulls added Porter and have Markkanen healthy, hopefully they can pull away from the bottom feeders a little.
similarly  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/11/2019 3:06 pm : link
need to hope that Kevin Love's return to the lineup leads to a couple of W's for the Cavs. Still can't believe how bad the Suns are with Booker and Ayton.
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santacruzom : 2/11/2019 3:22 pm : link
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but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists



Him
Giannis
Leonard should be the top 3 because they are dominant on both ends...

Unlike the new love of the league, who ISO's every trip down and plays zero defense. But hey, he shoots it a lot!


Yeah, it's totally crazy to appreciate Harden carrying his team and performing historically by placing him in the top 3.
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dep026 : 2/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
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but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists



Him
Giannis
Leonard should be the top 3 because they are dominant on both ends...

Unlike the new love of the league, who ISO's every trip down and plays zero defense. But hey, he shoots it a lot!



Yeah, it's totally crazy to appreciate Harden carrying his team and performing historically by placing him in the top 3.


Yawn. We see this every year with him and Westbrook. Yawn... carrying his team.... yawn... shoot a ton.... yawnnn..... flop for fouls..... yawn..... play no defense.... yawn....

Why are the thunder much better this year? Cause George has taken over as their best player. Heís more of a MVP than harden is. Two way players get no love. Just stat compilers.

How do the stat compilers do when playoffs come around? Oh yeah, they usually perform well below than their regular seasons.

All 4 of my candidates are two way players with better records. Shooting 44/37% is quite an accomplishment!!!
PG13 has had an incredible freaking  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
season. He's far & away OKC's best player right now & deserves serious MVP consideration.
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dep026 : 2/11/2019 4:04 pm : link
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season. He's far & away OKC's best player right now & deserves serious MVP consideration.


It could easily be argued that Harden doesnít deserve first team all-NBA. But the hysteria because of the amount of shots, I mean points he put up will cause an outrage.
I, for one, wouldn't put Harden as first team NBA.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 4:05 pm : link
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Not liking Harden's style of play  
Metnut : 2/11/2019 4:10 pm : link
and understanding his value to the Rockets are two different concepts. People shouldn't confuse the two and blend them together.

Harden's Rockets likely would've beat the dynasty Warriors last year if not for an injury to their second best player.
I'm not a huge fan of Harden's  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
play, but he's been UFB lately & has obviously carried Houston.
This  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 4:19 pm : link
anger is cute from Kevin Knox
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bw in dc : 2/11/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14293610 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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play, but he's been UFB lately & has obviously carried Houston.


Agreed.

But count me in as finding the Rucker Park Rockets impossible to watch.

i thinknit is better  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 5:03 pm : link
if the knicks finish 2nd rather than 1st, i know the lowest you can drop is 5th but it is a 47 percent chance you finish 4th...

Finishing 2nd spreads it out more to 20 percent chance at each position...
Thatís terribly flawed logic  
Really : 2/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
They chop the 48% to 20/18 for 4/5.

Youíre top 3 odds donít increase.

Donít overthink it.

Thatís bad math.
.  
Really : 2/11/2019 5:21 pm : link
28/20*
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TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2019 5:58 pm : link
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season. He's far & away OKC's best player right now & deserves serious MVP consideration.



It could easily be argued that Harden doesnít deserve first team all-NBA. But the hysteria because of the amount of shots, I mean points he put up will cause an outrage.


I actually agree with this. And I think the nba needs to do away with the positions for all nba. Just pick the top 5 guys.

And I know itís a separate issue, but I canít stand watching Harden play. Heís not even dishing or initiating the offense so much- just jacking up shots.
I agree with Benigno that I wouldnít trade Zion for AD  
Oscar : 2/11/2019 6:23 pm : link
Iíd rather win with a guy they drafted. I also donít totally believe in Davis or trust him to stay healthy. I donít want Kyrie at all and hope he stays in Boston, I think heís a dog. I would welcome Durant but I also worry heíll get eaten alive in NYC - he couldnít handle scrutiny with OKC or now Golden State and heís going to arrive late in his peak or post-peak with ludicrously high expectations.

Honestly I kind of think the best thing that could happen to the team might be landing Zion and whiffing on the free agents.

The most likely scenario is probably picking 4 or 5 and signing Kemba Walker in free agency,
RE: I agree with Benigno that I wouldnít trade Zion for AD  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 6:33 pm : link
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Iíd rather win with a guy they drafted. I also donít totally believe in Davis or trust him to stay healthy. I donít want Kyrie at all and hope he stays in Boston, I think heís a dog. I would welcome Durant but I also worry heíll get eaten alive in NYC - he couldnít handle scrutiny with OKC or now Golden State and heís going to arrive late in his peak or post-peak with ludicrously high expectations.

Honestly I kind of think the best thing that could happen to the team might be landing Zion and whiffing on the free agents.

The most likely scenario is probably picking 4 or 5 and signing Kemba Walker in free agency,


so you would rather keep zion than form a big 3 of davis, kyrie and kd because they wouldnt have a homegrown guy? hahahahahaha
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santacruzom : 2/11/2019 7:07 pm : link
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but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists



Him
Giannis
Leonard should be the top 3 because they are dominant on both ends...

Unlike the new love of the league, who ISO's every trip down and plays zero defense. But hey, he shoots it a lot!



Yeah, it's totally crazy to appreciate Harden carrying his team and performing historically by placing him in the top 3.



Yawn. We see this every year with him and Westbrook. Yawn... carrying his team.... yawn... shoot a ton.... yawnnn..... flop for fouls..... yawn..... play no defense.... yawn....

Why are the thunder much better this year? Cause George has taken over as their best player. Heís more of a MVP than harden is. Two way players get no love. Just stat compilers.

How do the stat compilers do when playoffs come around? Oh yeah, they usually perform well below than their regular seasons.

All 4 of my candidates are two way players with better records. Shooting 44/37% is quite an accomplishment!!!


Harden isn't merely compiling stats though. Well, unless you count "a win that never should have fucking happened" as a stat.
NBA to investigate if Lakers, Ben Simmons contact violated rules  
Steve in ATL : 2/11/2019 7:24 pm : link
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I donít think a big three would happen  
Oscar : 2/11/2019 7:25 pm : link
But yes I would rather have Zion, Durant and Kyrie than trade half the roster and a few future draft picks for AD.

Dream scenario for me would be Zion, KD and Kawhi. Just Zion would be fine. None of the above is a distinct possibility if not the most likely outcome.
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Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 7:39 pm : link
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But yes I would rather have Zion, Durant and Kyrie than trade half the roster and a few future draft picks for AD.

Dream scenario for me would be Zion, KD and Kawhi. Just Zion would be fine. None of the above is a distinct possibility if not the most likely outcome.

If the Knicks do win the lottery, I highly doubt AD would cost all that much more than that
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dep026 : 2/11/2019 7:56 pm : link
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Harden isn't merely compiling stats though. Well, unless you count "a win that never should have fucking happened" as a stat.


Itís exactly what he is doing. It what Westbrook has done the last few years too. Itís what Lebron does in the playoffs. Making yourself the one who touches the ball 85% of the time means you are going to compile stats. Points, assists, shots, free throws. He compiled stats.... regardless if he plays well or not.
Dep...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:14 pm : link
I think you're a bit harsh towards Harden. He is a great player, though I agree he's a chucker. But he carried Houston when Paul was out. He needed to be scoring @ an outrageous pace if they were going to win.
RE: NBA to investigate if Lakers, Ben Simmons contact violated rules  
Jay on the Island : 2/11/2019 8:19 pm : link
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Oh no the league will hit Magic with his fourth 500k fine for tampering. If it were any other franchise they would have lost a 1st round pick plus a fine.
I could see Simmons leaving Philly.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:27 pm : link
That is Embiid's team. The fans love him & he is their heart & soul. Ben might want his own team one day.

I did LOL yesterday when LBJ was pretty much daring him to shoot. He wasn't even guarding him. Simmons took a 3 & it went in & out. But the funniest thing was that you could actually hear the crowd gasp when he put it up, like the entire arena was thinking, 'WTF?'
Probably too shitty to bring up  
chopperhatch : 2/11/2019 8:35 pm : link
the past rumors of his diagnosis being faked only to try and draw awareness to AIDS?

I get that you hate Harden dep  
santacruzom : 2/12/2019 4:40 am : link
So I concede that you will never be rational about him.
Loving the Lakers turmoil..  
Sean : 2/12/2019 5:04 am : link
hope they miss the playoffs.
RE: I get that you hate Harden dep  
dep026 : 2/12/2019 7:13 am : link
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So I concede that you will never be rational about him.


And what have I said thatís wrong about him? Heís a dominant ISO ball player who rarely plays defense. He went six straight games where not one of his baskets was assisted. You know how insane that is?

I figured you of all posters would appreciate ball movement and defense since thatís why your team is dominating the sport.
depressing loss for nets last night  
hitdog42 : 2/12/2019 8:37 am : link
had raptors beat in toronto and didnt get a stop or a bucket in the last few possessions.

i struggle to understand the issue with inbounding a basketball at the end of games.
30 straight 30 point games from Harden  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2019 11:22 am : link
Just an amazing player and one of the top 3 MVP candidates along with Giannis/George. His blend of scoring volume, efficiency, and passing makes him special.

The way he's carried this team with Paul/Gordon/Capela injured for stretches has been amazing. It's not like he was putting up empty stats either, as the Rockets offense was Top 2 with the Warriors in the league during this stretch despite having a 25 win squad outside of Harden during this time. Empty stat compilers don't lead their team to success like that.

His defense is also much improved from a while ago. The memes about his D were deserved in 2016, but he's so much better now to the point that opposing teams usually attack Gordon on switches instead of Harden. He's the best post defender on the team and making a lot more of an effort overall on that end.

Awesome player. Giannis vs. Harden is a toss up for MVP right now imo, with George playing ridiculous of late to get in the mix.
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santacruzom : 2/12/2019 12:02 pm : link
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So I concede that you will never be rational about him.



And what have I said thatís wrong about him? Heís a dominant ISO ball player who rarely plays defense. He went six straight games where not one of his baskets was assisted. You know how insane that is?

I figured you of all posters would appreciate ball movement and defense since thatís why your team is dominating the sport.


I think Harden's game is uninteresting and unentertaining as hell, but that doesn't mean I have to believe untrue things about him.
I gave a lot of effort  
dep026 : 2/12/2019 12:26 pm : link
Trying to bang the hottest chick in school. Didnít mean I was good at it though.

Again... 6 games at least without a teammate getting an assist on his shot. Ridiculous ball hog.

Hope he chokes a big one in the playoffs...... again.
The teams offense is built around Harden/Paul/Gordon  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2019 1:01 pm : link
Creating and surrounding them with shooters and Capela rolling to the rim. All of those guys were out for that stretch so Harden had to do it by himself. If it was so easy to do then every perimeter player would try it. But heís the only dude in the NBA who can play that way and dominate for 82 games.

Heís a ball-hog but thatís because itís clearly the best way for the offense to function. And itís led him to a historic offensive season. Thatís whatís different from this and Westbrookís monster volume season where OKC had a middling offense.

His D is much better than it was 3 years ago. Heís still mediocre at defending his man on the perimeter but heís much more active and a tank down low. Heís a better defender than guys like Curry/Lillard/Kyrie at this point.
Heís not a better defender  
dep026 : 2/12/2019 1:06 pm : link
Than kyrie or curry. Trying a few possessions a game means nothing. Curry guards the other teams PG every game. You wonít see harden going after curry orwestbrook anytime soon.
RE: I gave a lot of effort  
Metnut : 2/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
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Trying to bang the hottest chick in school. Didnít mean I was good at it though.

Again... 6 games at least without a teammate getting an assist on his shot. Ridiculous ball hog.

Hope he chokes a big one in the playoffs...... again.


Are baskets where a teammate assists worth more than unassisted ones?
Ummmm  
dep026 : 2/12/2019 1:36 pm : link
Ok.
RE: Heís not a better defender  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/12/2019 2:10 pm : link
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Than kyrie or curry. Trying a few possessions a game means nothing. Curry guards the other teams PG every game. You wonít see harden going after curry orwestbrook anytime soon.


You do realize Klay guards the good PGs the Warriors play right?

Curry is an ok defender but his size kills him on switches. Iíd say Curry has been better than Harden over the years on D but that gap has closed. Kyrie and Lillard are awful defenders, Kyrie has improved but Iíd still take Harden easy over both of them especially Lillard.

And offensively heís one of the top 4 players in the league along with Curry/Durant/LeBron. Heís a beast and Iíd give him MVP right now.

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