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nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:39 am
The lovefest for him is laughable to me. He then blames the Pelicans and accuses them of bad negotiations in the media.

Then he tells his young players they have to grow up because all deals are in the mdia. Umm no magic they are not all in the media..


Then Ben Simmons says he wants to work with Magic and instead of saying we probably will not be able to make it happen. He puts the onus on the sixers to say no and risk alienating their star by not allowing it.

Dude shut up you have made horrible moves and lucked into lebron
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The  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 9:03 am : link
first part is simply his opinion but the Simmons stuff is absurd. The LebLakers are already on thin ice with tampering. Now you're going to let a star on another team train with an owner who has openly tampered before (Paul George?)
I do find it amusing how Phil Jackson was universally panned from day  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2019 9:05 am : link
one because of his lack of experience at running a franchise (and rightfully so), but the NBA media has spent years slobbering over Magic, who was just as inexperienced and hasn't done shit other than luck into signing Lebron.
The dumpster fire that this Lakers season is quickly becoming  
Stu11 : 2/11/2019 9:10 am : link
is very entertaining. Mix in some more Lavar Ball shenanigans and it just might become a #1 hit...
I love it  
UConn4523 : 2/11/2019 9:16 am : link
LeBron is hitting that age where he isn't worth this kind of trouble anymore. I think its fantastic how this is backfiring.
does anyone else think  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:17 am : link
Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?
RE: does anyone else think  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14292972 nygiants16 said:
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?


Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.
Uconn  
jestersdead : 2/11/2019 9:24 am : link
I agree, his body is starting to show signs of wear. He's played in over 1100 regular season games, 200+ playoff games and that doesn't count Olympics and other bball activities.
I think Magic is a good dude.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 9:28 am : link
He's a tremendous businessman. He just hasn't shown he's a good NBA executive @ all.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14292975 DanMetroMan said:
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.


The Hawks don't have the history that the Lakers do. And few care about the Hawks in The ATL.
Magic  
TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2019 9:33 am : link
Have him and Pelinka made any good moves outside being gifted Lebron? And Lebron was coming to the Lakers regardless of who was in charge. Also, Paul George, Leonard and Davis have now all be available and the Lakers haven’t even come close on any of them. Part of that has to fall on Lakers management.
Once Lebron and CP3 leave the league....  
dep026 : 2/11/2019 9:34 am : link
I hope the owners and GM take a stranglehold of the league and not let the players run it.

They would have to up the cap space but get rid of these ridiculous rules regarding contracts/trades.

I hope when Lebron retires, he has nothing to do with the NBA.
I am also loving the Lakers turmoil  
NoGainDayne : 2/11/2019 9:35 am : link
and i'm very interested to see how the movements happen this summer.

IMO if players do not come to the Lakers it is much more about not wanting be on a team with LBJ because of some of his GM / behind the scenes LBJ than anything.

He's now always consistently putting this weird pressure on the teams he plays for to get better faster than might be reasonable forcing them to make bad moves or just destroying the confidence of his teammates.

Not even just young players or mediocre players. Love. Bosh got worse each year he played with him. Kyrie straight up said he had enough.

I think signs are mounting that LBJ while maybe the GOAT doesn't seem to be the best person to be on a team with.

Maybe it's because we are producing more snowflakes. I can't see Jordan having been a more supportive teammate but it's definitely fascinating to watch.

RE: Magic  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14292995 TyreeHelmet said:
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Have him and Pelinka made any good moves outside being gifted Lebron? And Lebron was coming to the Lakers regardless of who was in charge. Also, Paul George, Leonard and Davis have now all be available and the Lakers haven’t even come close on any of them. Part of that has to fall on Lakers management.


no one wants to deal withth pelinka, new orleans flat out would not speak to him because the way hr handled things as an agent
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 9:47 am : link
Ryen Rusillo was beating that drum last fall: a lot of top NBA players don't want to play w/ LBJ. If you win, it's because of LBJ. If you lose, you're at fault, not LeBron.
Unrelated  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 9:51 am : link
but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists
RE: Unrelated  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14293037 DanMetroMan said:
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but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists


Probably because he's an obnoxious clown and no one really likes him.
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 9:53 am : link
Damn, Bagley 32 and 7, 17 and 10 over his last 5 games, coming along nicely. Really like Joerger as a HC.
I just hope the Lakers  
Harvest Blend : 2/11/2019 9:54 am : link
make the playoffs. Something tells me that if they don't they're going to get very, very 'lucky' come lottery night.
KD  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 9:59 am : link
last night 1/7 from 3, 15/17 from everywhere else wow.
LOL...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 9:59 am : link
I like Embiid. He's a character. And one helluva player.
RE: Once Lebron and CP3 leave the league....  
Jints in Carolina : 2/11/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14292996 dep026 said:
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I hope the owners and GM take a stranglehold of the league and not let the players run it.

They would have to up the cap space but get rid of these ridiculous rules regarding contracts/trades.

I hope when Lebron retires, he has nothing to do with the NBA.


you know that ain't happening.
RE: RE: Magic  
TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14293007 nygiants16 said:
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Have him and Pelinka made any good moves outside being gifted Lebron? And Lebron was coming to the Lakers regardless of who was in charge. Also, Paul George, Leonard and Davis have now all be available and the Lakers haven’t even come close on any of them. Part of that has to fall on Lakers management.



no one wants to deal withth pelinka, new orleans flat out would not speak to him because the way hr handled things as an agent


Pelinka does seem like a scum bag.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 10:12 am : link
Beningo really underrates AD. He keeps harping on the fact that he's only won one postseason series. HE WAS IN THE WEST WITH TRASH TALENT AROUND HIM. Come on Joe.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 10:18 am : link

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
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3m
Over the last 30 years, only six rookies have averaged at least two blocks per game and shot over 50% from the field:
David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Shaq, Chris Webber, Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan.

Mitchell Robinson is currently averaging two blocks per game and shooting 69.7%
RE: Unrelated  
dep026 : 2/11/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14293037 DanMetroMan said:
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but Embiid season is almost being overlooked 27 and 14 with 2 blocks 4 assists


Him
Giannis
Leonard should be the top 3 because they are dominant on both ends...

Unlike the new love of the league, who ISO's every trip down and plays zero defense. But hey, he shoots it a lot!
RE: .  
Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14293084 DanMetroMan said:
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Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
·
3m
Over the last 30 years, only six rookies have averaged at least two blocks per game and shot over 50% from the field:
David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Shaq, Chris Webber, Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan.

Mitchell Robinson is currently averaging two blocks per game and shooting 69.7%

He also leads the league in blocks per 48 min. By almost a full block too. He needs to work on his conditioning and play a little more under control to avoid foul trouble.
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giants#1 : 2/11/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14293084 DanMetroMan said:
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Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
·
3m
Over the last 30 years, only six rookies have averaged at least two blocks per game and shot over 50% from the field:
David Robinson, Alonzo Mourning, Shaq, Chris Webber, Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan.

Mitchell Robinson is currently averaging two blocks per game and shooting 69.7%


He looks like a steal, but that "stat" is a little ridiculous. Robinson averages 3.6 shots/game. Out of the other 6 players, Webber had the fewest attempts/game with >13.5.

PHX  
TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2019 11:12 am : link
How are the Suns this bad? Is Booker just overrated filling up stats in a losing way? They have some talent on the roster but they have 11 wins...

They consistenly pick at the top of the draft and have had some serious misses/ busts. Len/ Bender/ Chriss/ Jackson
The  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 11:16 am : link
league threatened to fine the Pelicans 2.5 million if they benched Davis per SI
Should the Knicks have any interest in guys on the wire?  
Anakim : 2/11/2019 11:17 am : link
We have a couple of open roster spots.

Wade Baldwin IV?
Henry Ellenson?
Ike Anigbogu?
Good to see this thread  
GiantGrit : 2/11/2019 11:17 am : link
Everyone is hitting the nail on the head with Lebron. Phenomenal talent but he's either slowing, saving energy for offensive possesions, lazy, or all 3. His help defense is absolutely atrocious now.

About a week ago he ripped the Mavs for playing Harrison Barnes through the middle of a trade...except he didn't mention the Mavs told Barnes and his agent talks with the Kings and Hornets were ongoing. Barnes chose to play. Said people need to understand its a business from both ends. And yet, this dude literally plays NBA2k gm and has guys traded all the time. Anyone remember when the Cavs wanted to let Tristan Thompson walk? Not on Bron's watch! He made them pay him. How'd that work out?

He showed up in Miami and wanted Spoesltra fired. Riley said no way. Not a surprise he left Miami, he didn't like where he was on the totem pole.

David Blatt has won in every spot he's been in. Lebron never gave him a chance.

Reports come out that Lebron's camp wants the Lakers to fire Walton. People defend Lebron and say they weren't his words directly. Where was his quote defending his coach to the media? He was silent.

He deserves everything that comes his way.


Magic is too egotistical to succeed as a FO guy. Loves hearing himself speak way too much. Their roster is just a horrible mix of veterans and young guys, and at this point i think its safe to say there is no good mix of the two.

I don't think anyone is coming either. What Magic failed to realize is these star players care A LOT about their public image. Why play for a GM who feels entitled to spout off to the media about current players?

Now i'm reading Ingram and Kuzma aren't too fond of Lebron and i don't blame them. I like Kuzma. If i were him, i'd ask out of that toxic organization.

My hot take? I'd trade Lebron and continue with the youth movement.
Durant was on get up  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 11:18 am : link
Basically said he just wanted the local beat writers to stop asking about free agency, asked if he was mad the national media and the rumors, he said no he was just mad at the local guys
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Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14292975 DanMetroMan said:
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.


That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.
RE: Durant was on get up  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14293182 nygiants16 said:
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Basically said he just wanted the local beat writers to stop asking about free agency, asked if he was mad the national media and the rumors, he said no he was just mad at the local guys


I think Ethan Strauss in general.
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Bill L : 2/11/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14293184 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Basically said he just wanted the local beat writers to stop asking about free agency, asked if he was mad the national media and the rumors, he said no he was just mad at the local guys



I think Ethan Strauss in general.

particular?
Yes, and I'm also sick of Steve Kerr too  
nyjuggernaut2 : 2/11/2019 11:23 am : link
guy always has something to say, whether it be political, other sports, etc. And the funny thing is we really don't know how good a NBA coach he is considering his only resume is coaching perhaps the most talented team in NBA history. Luke Walton had the same success in GS when Kerr was out as he is having, and look how well Walton has been doing in LA. They aren't even a playoff team right now.
Particular, yes.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:23 am : link
Not general. It's Monday Bill & I got tomorrow off so I'm not relatively sharp right now.
RE: Particular, yes.  
Bill L : 2/11/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14293189 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not general. It's Monday Bill & I got tomorrow off so I'm not relatively sharp right now.


I know the feeling.
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14293177 DanMetroMan said:
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league threatened to fine the Pelicans 2.5 million if they benched Davis per SI


Load of BS, if this was not a suoerstar the nba would not care...

And nownif davis gets hurt the pelicans are left holding the bag and get nothing
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Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14293183 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.



That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.

I went to one Hawks game in Atlanta during the Millsap, Horford, etc years and it was completely empty in the arena. Surprising given that they were a perennial playoff team. Small sample size I know but I went to a falcons game the next day which was jam packed. I wonder if it's just not a popular sport in Atlanta the same way football and baseball is.
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DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14293196 nygiants16 said:
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league threatened to fine the Pelicans 2.5 million if they benched Davis per SI



Load of BS, if this was not a suoerstar the nba would not care...

And nownif davis gets hurt the pelicans are left holding the bag and get nothing




Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The Pelicans are being held to a standard that the NBA has not held other teams to this season. A very healthy Carmelo Anthony was essentially exiled by the Rockets in November. Memphis' Chandler Parsons and Cleveland's JR Smith, too
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14293206 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14293177 DanMetroMan said:


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league threatened to fine the Pelicans 2.5 million if they benched Davis per SI



Load of BS, if this was not a suoerstar the nba would not care...

And nownif davis gets hurt the pelicans are left holding the bag and get nothing





Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The Pelicans are being held to a standard that the NBA has not held other teams to this season. A very healthy Carmelo Anthony was essentially exiled by the Rockets in November. Memphis' Chandler Parsons and Cleveland's JR Smith, too


yup and cleveland are refusing to buyout smith
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giants#1 : 2/11/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14293206 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14293177 DanMetroMan said:


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league threatened to fine the Pelicans 2.5 million if they benched Davis per SI



Load of BS, if this was not a suoerstar the nba would not care...

And nownif davis gets hurt the pelicans are left holding the bag and get nothing





Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The Pelicans are being held to a standard that the NBA has not held other teams to this season. A very healthy Carmelo Anthony was essentially exiled by the Rockets in November. Memphis' Chandler Parsons and Cleveland's JR Smith, too


Wasn't Melo latered waived because...he sucks.

And JR Smith isn't close to a star (or box office draw).
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giants#1 : 2/11/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14293198 Strahan91 said:
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Anthony davis woukd have zero jnterest in la if he was not signed with rich paul?



Well in fairness it's still LA and they still have Lebron. The Lakers have always been an appealing destination whether we like it or not. I'm kind of surprised Atlanta hasn't become more of a player in the FA game. It's a very hot/popular city and had a huge hip hop culture which obviously would appeal to many of the younger players.



That is a very interesting thought about Atlanta. Atlanta is like the Wakanda of the US, you'd think you have a ton of players that would want to flock there.


I went to one Hawks game in Atlanta during the Millsap, Horford, etc years and it was completely empty in the arena. Surprising given that they were a perennial playoff team. Small sample size I know but I went to a falcons game the next day which was jam packed. I wonder if it's just not a popular sport in Atlanta the same way football and baseball is.


Aren't the Braves known for shitty attendance even during the Maddox/Glavine years?

Btw, what ever happened to GiantFilthy?
Atlanta is not a good sports town.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:45 am : link
It's a city full of transplants for the most part.
Braves were 11th last year in attendance.  
Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 11:48 am : link
The Hawks for comparison were dead last in the NBA, only team in the nba with under 80%. They were awful of course with little reason to watch so it's not apples to apples.
Somewhat related  
Anakim : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
Anthony Edwards committed to Georgia. Big get for their basketball team. Edwards and James Wiseman Jr. are the front-runners to go #1 overall in the 2020 Draft.


So Giants/Knicks fans, which of these two would you prefer:

The Duke Option:

Giants - Daniel Jones
Knicks - Zion Williamson/RJ Barrett


OR



The Georgia Option:

Giants - Jake Fromm
Knicks - Anthony Edwards
Caught a bit of 76ers-LAL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.
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Anakim : 2/11/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14293217 Strahan91 said:
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The Hawks for comparison were dead last in the NBA, only team in the nba with under 80%. They were awful of course with little reason to watch so it's not apples to apples.


And they passed on Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Yuck. Doncic could've revitalized that franchise.
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Strahan91 : 2/11/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14293224 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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yesterday...

Man, the 76ers are good. They're going to be a tough out. Simmons didn't have a good game, but Embiid was a monster, Harris was solid, & Redick continues to be on fire.

Is the consensus still that they're absolutely going to resign Butler? With Simmons up for his rookie max soon, Embiid's deal, + Harris and Butler on max contracts, that would be one massive payroll. He seems less necessary with the Harris addition who I think is a better fit next to JE and BS
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