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NFT: Is there a difference between Barry Bonds and Julian Edelman

GMAN4LIFE : 2/11/2019 8:59 am
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one is suspected for doing PED's. Literally hasnt been getting a shot to go to the Hall of Fame

Julian Edelman has a monster game in the SuperBowl. Literally failed a test for PEDs. Has been in discussion for the Hall of Fame.


i mean there has to be some irony here. I know one is the MLB and the other is NFL. Both two different sports and hold their players standards differently but still.

what are your thoughts?
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RE: There is definitely a double standard with PED use  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14293030 Section331 said:
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in the NFL v. MLB. Maybe because it is less obvious in the NFL due to all the equipment players wear, but I think PED use has been far more prevalent in the NFL than MLB.

Barry Bonds was a great player before he started using, he should be in. McGwire, Sosa, Canseco and others probably don't sniff the HOF without steroids, so I don't think they should get in.


Look at your average OL or front seven defensive player post-career. Yeah some of that is that they're no longer intentionally consuming 5-7000 calories a day to maintain weight, but the obvious difference is that they're no longer cycling for bulk.
RE: There is definitely a double standard with PED use  
FStubbs : 2/11/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14293030 Section331 said:
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in the NFL v. MLB. Maybe because it is less obvious in the NFL due to all the equipment players wear, but I think PED use has been far more prevalent in the NFL than MLB.

Barry Bonds was a great player before he started using, he should be in. McGwire, Sosa, Canseco and others probably don't sniff the HOF without steroids, so I don't think they should get in.


The irony is that Bonds is a hate sink. If he hadn't juiced, McGwire, Clemens and the others would be in the Hall of Fame right now. I still think McGwire eventually gets in.
McGwire was a good three-outcome hitter...  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 10:20 am : link
until his age 31 season, when some mix of pharmaceuticals and swing/approach changes made him an elite power hitter. He also provided virtually no defensive value after about his age 29 season. He's not an obvious HOFer with his stats now; it's far from obvious that he would have been one without the juice.
RE: I thought the Edelman HOF talk was a joke.  
EricJ : 2/11/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14292999 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It's actually serious?


When you have other hall of famers saying they would put him in... then yes it is serious.

Lets not pretend to know better than those who have played and coached the game.
It amaze me that people don't realize that almost every player  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 10:27 am : link
In NFL juices or has juiced.
RE: Boomer..  
EricJ : 2/11/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14293055 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Esiason has say Edelman should be in the HoF.

And post-game of the SB, he and Nate Burleson said he should be a "lock".


Deion Sanders said the same thing...
RE: Boomer..  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14293055 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Esiason has say Edelman should be in the HoF.

And post-game of the SB, he and Nate Burleson said he should be a "lock".


But who pays any attention to Boomer Esiason?
I don't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 10:32 am : link
agree with Boomer. Just pointing out that there was a discussion about it immediately after the game.
Zeke..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 10:35 am : link
it really is amazing:

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It amaze me that people don't realize that almost every player
Zeke's Alibi : 10:27 am : link : reply
In NFL juices or has juiced.


We've had these threads before where a few posters will talk about how the linemen shrinking post-career is solely due to a better diet.

Talk to any athletic trainer and they will pretty much say the same thing. Every lineman is juicing, 80% of the skill players are and even some of the specialists are. One of the guys who actually got the North Carolina SBI to investigate the Panthers doctor a few years ago was the punter, Matt Sauerbrun, who was caught juicing, but worse yet, had a paper trail from the team physician.

It isn't even a secret within the walls of the NFL.
RE: RE: I thought the Edelman HOF talk was a joke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14293100 EricJ said:
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In comment 14292999 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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It's actually serious?



When you have other hall of famers saying they would put him in... then yes it is serious.

Lets not pretend to know better than those who have played and coached the game.


Oh, I don't pretend to know better than those guys, but Edelman a HOFer? That seems crazy to me, but maybe it's not.
Tony LaRussa put Harold fucking Baines in the HOF...  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 10:48 am : link
let's not pretend that players and coaches don't play favorites.
RE: I thought players caught using PEDs were ineligible  
Mad Mike : 2/11/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14292965 ron mexico said:
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for individual awards, or is that just offensive player of the year type of awards.

Yeah, it's just the Pro Bowl and honors/awards from the League or players association.
RE: Bonds  
capone : 2/11/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14292978 Archer said:
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You cannot compare players from different sports.
If you want to compare Edelman to another player who took PEDs in football that would be a better comparison.
There are plenty to choose from.

As for Bonds vs. Edelman as PED abusers it is not close.
Bonds took PEDs on a systematic basis over a period of years.Bonds took shots, cream, (3-4) times a day. He clearly took the PEDs to enhance his capabilities at the expense of the people he played against.

Edelman took an over the counter supplement for less than (4) months.



Well said I agree 100% on Binds
RE: Zeke..  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14293112 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it really is amazing:



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It amaze me that people don't realize that almost every player
Zeke's Alibi : 10:27 am : link : reply
In NFL juices or has juiced.



We've had these threads before where a few posters will talk about how the linemen shrinking post-career is solely due to a better diet.

Talk to any athletic trainer and they will pretty much say the same thing. Every lineman is juicing, 80% of the skill players are and even some of the specialists are. One of the guys who actually got the North Carolina SBI to investigate the Panthers doctor a few years ago was the punter, Matt Sauerbrun, who was caught juicing, but worse yet, had a paper trail from the team physician.

It isn't even a secret within the walls of the NFL.


Well the guys do shrink because they aren't eating as much. Steroids don't magically make mass appear. Actually you have to eat more due to the fact steroids are going to increase your metabolism a bit due to the increase of muscle mass as well as some of the hormonal changes that happen. But they actually make you hungrier depending on what you are taking.

There was actually a study done about "muscle memory." People that have put on muscle mass before have a much easier time getting back to that baseline than those that haven't. So in theory if you juiced a ton in high school and college and than quit when you got to the NFL you would still have a massive advantage over someone that didn't. The downside would probably be that your baseline test wouldn't be as high as the person that didn't. It raises a ton of interesting questions.
Fatman what really amazes me is that it is pretty much an open secret  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 11:13 am : link
but it receives no coverage.
RE: It amaze me that people don't realize that almost every player  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14293102 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In NFL juices or has juiced.


I think the untold story - well, a story not discussed enough - is the steroid use at the high school level. No testing there.

And I know parents who condone it..."If it helps my son get a scholarship, then it may be worth it..."

RE: Fatman what really amazes me is that it is pretty much an open secret  
EricJ : 2/11/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14293173 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but it receives no coverage.


What amazes me is that we actually care so much. I know that I am going to be in the minority on this. We get concerned about an athletes' well being only when it comes to certain sports and situations.

Athletes knowingly put harmful substances into their bodies to extend their careers or to perform better.

Athletes knowingly risk serious injury by playing a violent sport and then we look to somehow ruin the game by trying to take all of the risk out of a violent game.

Meanwhile, nobody cares that the guys who fight in the octagon are beating each other in the head repeatedly and will likely be drooling by the age of 60.

Zeke... I am glad there is little coverage.
Wait, PEDs in Pro Football?  
M.S. : 2/11/2019 11:35 am : link

Nahhhhhhh.
I think their is difference when you get caught and are punished  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/11/2019 11:39 am : link
Like Edelman was compared to Barry who was basically caught, denied it forever, and was never punished while he was a player.

Both did something wrong and one was punished and one was not.

On top of that Baseball is a more individual stat runned sport.

Side note, Edelman shouldn’t be in the NFL Hall of Fame. People talk about his playoff yards, but no one talks about how his team is in the playoffs every year and at makes it to the Super Bowl or AFC championship.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 11:39 am : link
Edelman is nowhere near the equivalent of Bonds. PED's or not.

When Bonds was in SF, you couldn't even throw him a strike - he'd just hit it out of the park. It was one of the most insane stretches for a hitter ever. The guy would just get walked in situations where the book says nothing about walking someone because it was too risky to even pitch to him at all.

Edelman isn't even a top 10 player at his own position, let alone the best in the sport.

I know that's not what you're really getting at - but the profile does matter. Bonds was a generational player. Edelman isn't.
If Edelman retired tomorrow...  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 11:43 am : link
generic slot receiver would come in and post comparable numbers. Edelman is a decent receiver, but he's still a function of QB and scheme. He's not the insane mismatch Gronk is or Moss was.
Ericj....I think I may have misspoke when I meant coverage  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 11:47 am : link
The Peyton Manning HGH story was a good example of what I mean. You got guys killing him for it, calling for suspensions, and making it into this giant circus when in reality it's as mundane as them waking up in the morning. Like all the fake hysteria that surrounds it is insane when all these guys are doing it.
RE: If Edelman retired tomorrow...  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14293212 Dunedin81 said:
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generic slot receiver would come in and post comparable numbers. Edelman is a decent receiver, but he's still a function of QB and scheme. He's not the insane mismatch Gronk is or Moss was.


Edelman isn't better than his predecessor, Welker. Who I think has a much better case for the HoF.
I think there is a difference....  
BillKo : 2/11/2019 11:50 am : link
...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.

Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.

And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.

RE: I think there is a difference....  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14293220 BillKo said:
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...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.

Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.

And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.


Most observers estimate PED use in the NFL at well over 50%. Believing that Edelman's was an inadvertent ingestation or a short-term use is like believing Papi happened upon some off-brand cough syrup.
RE: RE: I think there is a difference....  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14293227 Dunedin81 said:
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...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.

Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.

And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.




Most observers estimate PED use in the NFL at well over 50%. Believing that Edelman's was an inadvertent ingestation or a short-term use is like believing Papi happened upon some off-brand cough syrup.


This blows my mind! People can actually think that well he wasn't caught before so it was just a one time thing.

These guys are taking all kinds of designer steroids to give them an extra edge, and listen to this because its important, over a lax steroid policy that already lets them juice!

If you want to take 500mg of test a week, which is considered a basic beginner cycle, in should keep your test levels below what the NFL deems acceptable.
Yep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 12:08 pm : link
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Most observers estimate PED use in the NFL at well over 50%


And the overall number is likely in the 80& range.
When guys..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 12:14 pm : link
get caught in the NFL for supposed use of over-the-counter medication, the NFL is fine with that being the story. It preserves the player's legacy and takes the spotlight off the league. I bet many here don't know Julius Peppers was caught.

But the levels that they test for are often in the range of 7-10x the normal reading. This isn't the Olympics testing where eating a poppy seed bagel will get you in hot water - you have to be intentionally taking enough to raise your levels to non-human heights. The NFL is fine with you thinking the poppy seed effect is in play.

And like EricJ asked above - should people really care? A wholesale crackdown on PED's would completely change the face of the sport.
Bonds had  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/11/2019 12:50 pm : link
Big Sam Darnold melon lumpy head durr face. Looked nothing like himself earlier in his career.
It's an avenue no one has explored...  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 12:57 pm : link
in reference to PEDs, which is interesting. I wonder whether or not that would be the next frontier.
RE: When guys..  
EricJ : 2/11/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14293266 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And like EricJ asked above - should people really care? A wholesale crackdown on PED's would completely change the face of the sport.


Right...and I am fine with just allowing PED's and have the players sign a waiver not to sue the league if they end up with issues down the road.

There are many players who take them just so they can rehab their injuries faster to get back on the field and not for an advantage.
RE: RE: what Dunedin said  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14293047 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Baseball's records are sacred, football barely cares about their's.

And Edelman shouldn't sniff the HOF.



Want to see where anyone ever has said HOF and Edelman other than the OP


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RE: I think there is a difference....  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14293220 BillKo said:
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Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.


Bonds was also already a three time MVP and sure Hall of Famer before he ever started using PEDs. He got mad after 1998 that inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were getting so much press and adulation just for hitting homers and figured, you wanna see roided up guys crushing homers? OK, I'll show you what I can do.
Maybe my standards are tougher than most  
Big Al : 2/11/2019 2:09 pm : link
Babur Phil Simms should not be in HOF. Eli should not be in HOF. Now someone actually mentions Edelman. How trivial and worthless are some people trying to make this “honor”?
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 2:16 pm : link
Bonds was a great player as it was that basically turned into a video game when he was BALCO Barry.

The guy had OBP's near and even over .600 during those prime SF years. Just absolutely insane.

.330 hitter with 73 HR's in 2001. Stuff I thought I'd only see playing video games on rookie as a kid.
RE: For years..  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14292980 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the NFL has avoided the scandal baseball went through regarding steroids.

A focused investigation on it could probably bring the league down, but they put on the good face of performing testing and suspending people, so they avoid the scrutiny, much like baseball has since they started giving the appearance of cracking down.

By the way - look into exactly how hard it is to fail a test in the NFL. You need to have an insane level of certain markers to fail.
The joke of it is, I recall MLB saying they would turn to the NFL as the model for PED testing. The NFL testing allows for levels of testosterone that are impossible to reach naturally; they allow insane levels.
RE: Bonds  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14292978 Archer said:
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You cannot compare players from different sports.
If you want to compare Edelman to another player who took PEDs in football that would be a better comparison.
There are plenty to choose from.

As for Bonds vs. Edelman as PED abusers it is not close.
Bonds took PEDs on a systematic basis over a period of years.Bonds took shots, cream, (3-4) times a day. He clearly took the PEDs to enhance his capabilities at the expense of the people he played against.

Edelman took an over the counter supplement for less than (4) months.
Technically, none of that about Bonds is proven to be true. This is what people suppose, but he never failed a test.

This isn't a defense of Bonds, but I believe he used purely out of jealousy and vanity. He was still one of the top 1 or 2 players in the game before he supposedly started using. However, coming back from the strike Mcgwire and Sosa were getting most of the attention, and the discovery of Andro in Mcgwire's locker was brushed over. I think bonds knew he was head and shoulders a better player than either and started taking to prove a point, and he did. He allegedly used at the same time countless other players were allegedly using and he blew them all out of the water with his production. It will be a big injustice (in the baseball world anyway) when Ortiz is elected to the HOF next year and Bonds and Clemens are still on the outside looking in. He was not anywhere near the player they each were and for a much longer period of time.
RE: It wasn't..  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14293009 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just the Bonds effect:



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My sons were playing sports at the end of Bonds career.
It was sad to see how many of their teammates were taking illegal steroids to improve their game and enhance their chances of playing college ball.



I was playing college baseball in the late 80's and early 90's. We had several guys on the team taking stuff, and I was only at a division i-AA school, although for baseball purposes, we played a predominantly D1 schedule and were eligible for the College World Series.
And Bonds wasn't not likely using for 3/4 of his career, when he was well on his way to the HOF and 600 HRs.
And it goes without saying that we don't know when...  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 2:43 pm : link
McGwire or Bonds started using. Bonds could have been using all along. But it's easier to pinpoint the decision to add 30-40 lbs of muscle and start trying to break records.
RE: RE: There is definitely a double standard with PED use  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14293058 FStubbs said:
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in the NFL v. MLB. Maybe because it is less obvious in the NFL due to all the equipment players wear, but I think PED use has been far more prevalent in the NFL than MLB.

Barry Bonds was a great player before he started using, he should be in. McGwire, Sosa, Canseco and others probably don't sniff the HOF without steroids, so I don't think they should get in.



The irony is that Bonds is a hate sink. If he hadn't juiced, McGwire, Clemens and the others would be in the Hall of Fame right now. I still think McGwire eventually gets in.
I disagree on McGwire primarily because his usage seriously elongated his career. Personally, I thought he was too one dimensional to be a HOF candidate before using, but he was a premier power hitter for a good chunk of that first period in his career. However, when he started seriously using his career was almost over due to injuries. He couldn't play a full season. Then, all of a sudden, 97-99 he is a full time player and at an obscene level at ages 33-35. Without those 3 seasons, he was likely out of baseball a little earlier and with about 50-100 less HRs, at least. He was not a HOFer without that late career usage.

Now, the big question is was he using while in Oakland earlier in his career.
RE: RE: It amaze me that people don't realize that almost every player  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14293193 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14293102 Zeke's Alibi said:


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In NFL juices or has juiced.



I think the untold story - well, a story not discussed enough - is the steroid use at the high school level. No testing there.

And I know parents who condone it..."If it helps my son get a scholarship, then it may be worth it..."
+1...and any parent that condones it is a real piece of shit. That is right up there with parents asking for elective Tommy John surgery thinking it will add 5+ MPH to the fastball of a perfectly healthy teen.
RE: I think there is a difference....  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14293220 BillKo said:
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...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.

Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.

And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.
He wasn't caught because he adjusted his cycle. The NFL allows an insane amount of testosterone; he just took less enough to not get caught.
RE: RE: I think there is a difference....  
BillKo : 2/11/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14293227 Dunedin81 said:
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...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.

Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.

And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.




Most observers estimate PED use in the NFL at well over 50%. Believing that Edelman's was an inadvertent ingestation or a short-term use is like believing Papi happened upon some off-brand cough syrup.


With Edelman, the point I was trying to express was he basically playing within the NFL limits - except for this one time. The guy came back from an ACL and looks better than ever, of course he's doing something.

With Bonds, the aura of steroids was all around him.....and as other have said it was like a video game watching him play. And how he was acquiring his stuff was controversial too as I remember........

I don't get that feeling with Edelman.

Maybe the title of this thread should have been is there a difference between Barry Bonds and the entire NFL lol...
A few more thoughts  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:56 pm : link
1) The real comparison is Bonds to a guy like A-Rod, who also has unreal seasons and unreal career numbers. However, the only difference is not that A-Rod got caught and then admitted use. To me, the bigger difference is that there are a lot of different stories about when A-Rod began using that range from HS to early in Seattle to Texas. Any way you slice it, most to all of his career is now tainted.

2) It is also disgusting that Mcgwire is allowed to coach at the MLB level. He shouldn't allowed anywhere near a MLB clubhouse or a minor league or NCAA clubhouse for that matter.
Edelman's test was triggered by a designer peptide more than likely  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 3:25 pm : link
which is all the rage now apparently amongst athletes due to the fact that you can say well I want to increase this, this, and this and they'll give you a peptide for exactly that. They also can't test for them because they have no idea what to test for. A substance came back that was unrecognizable in Edelmann's test. Just shit luck on his part. Not all PED's are test boosters.
RE: A few more thoughts  
Dunedin81 : 2/11/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14293518 Matt M. said:
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1) The real comparison is Bonds to a guy like A-Rod, who also has unreal seasons and unreal career numbers. However, the only difference is not that A-Rod got caught and then admitted use. To me, the bigger difference is that there are a lot of different stories about when A-Rod began using that range from HS to early in Seattle to Texas. Any way you slice it, most to all of his career is now tainted.

2) It is also disgusting that Mcgwire is allowed to coach at the MLB level. He shouldn't allowed anywhere near a MLB clubhouse or a minor league or NCAA clubhouse for that matter.


Why is McGwire uniquely awful? I'd wager a substantial sum of money he's not the only guy in coaching - big leagues or otherwise - who has been implicated in PED use. At least he didn't try to blame his wife.
Bonds was a cheat on a team with no history of cheating  
since1925 : 2/11/2019 4:41 pm : link
Edelman was on a team with a long and demonstrated culture of cheating.

That's the difference.
But here's the thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 7:20 pm : link
you have no way of knowing this:

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With Edelman, the point I was trying to express was he basically playing within the NFL limits - except for this one time.


The way NFL testing is given, it is very hard to get caught. The offseason testing window is mandated by the collective bargaining agreement. Ironically, it opens on 4/20 to the week before camp, and because of the difficulty in having resources for testing every player, you have a pretty good idea exactly when that test will happen.

that is the only guaranteed test you may have to take. There are random drug tests, but unless the league has you in their crosshairs, the randomness of them and the idea that there is no prior notification is up for debate
RE: RE: RE: what Dunedin said  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/11/2019 9:40 pm : link
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Baseball's records are sacred, football barely cares about their's.

And Edelman shouldn't sniff the HOF.



Want to see where anyone ever has said HOF and Edelman other than the OP

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Ah. My favorite stalker. Hope you are well. Saw you on the dupe thread Irony.
RE: RE: RE: RE: what Dunedin said  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/12/2019 9:44 am : link
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Baseball's records are sacred, football barely cares about their's.

And Edelman shouldn't sniff the HOF.



Want to see where anyone ever has said HOF and Edelman other than the OP

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Ah. My favorite stalker. Hope you are well. Saw you on the dupe thread Irony.

I'm a dupe? Who exactly do you think I'm a dupe of? Or is it just that you don't know what "dupe" means? I've been on here and other Giants boards with one and only one handle for close to 20 years - I've never posted under any other name than Gatorade Dunk (I'm sure the mods can verify this). And I'm hardly a stalker - just a regular poster with a very low tolerance for stupidity. Sorry that your posts tend to catch my eye for that reason.

Besides, I was just trying to help, since you obviously had no idea that several people had been talking about Edelman and the HOF.
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