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one is suspected for doing PED's. Literally hasnt been getting a shot to go to the Hall of Fame
Julian Edelman has a monster game in the SuperBowl. Literally failed a test for PEDs. Has been in discussion for the Hall of Fame.
i mean there has to be some irony here. I know one is the MLB and the other is NFL. Both two different sports and hold their players standards differently but still.
what are your thoughts?
The guy had OBP's near and even over .600 during those prime SF years. Just absolutely insane.
.330 hitter with 73 HR's in 2001. Stuff I thought I'd only see playing video games on rookie as a kid.
A focused investigation on it could probably bring the league down, but they put on the good face of performing testing and suspending people, so they avoid the scrutiny, much like baseball has since they started giving the appearance of cracking down.
By the way - look into exactly how hard it is to fail a test in the NFL. You need to have an insane level of certain markers to fail.
If you want to compare Edelman to another player who took PEDs in football that would be a better comparison.
There are plenty to choose from.
As for Bonds vs. Edelman as PED abusers it is not close.
Bonds took PEDs on a systematic basis over a period of years.Bonds took shots, cream, (3-4) times a day. He clearly took the PEDs to enhance his capabilities at the expense of the people he played against.
Edelman took an over the counter supplement for less than (4) months.
This isn't a defense of Bonds, but I believe he used purely out of jealousy and vanity. He was still one of the top 1 or 2 players in the game before he supposedly started using. However, coming back from the strike Mcgwire and Sosa were getting most of the attention, and the discovery of Andro in Mcgwire's locker was brushed over. I think bonds knew he was head and shoulders a better player than either and started taking to prove a point, and he did. He allegedly used at the same time countless other players were allegedly using and he blew them all out of the water with his production. It will be a big injustice (in the baseball world anyway) when Ortiz is elected to the HOF next year and Bonds and Clemens are still on the outside looking in. He was not anywhere near the player they each were and for a much longer period of time.
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My sons were playing sports at the end of Bonds career.
It was sad to see how many of their teammates were taking illegal steroids to improve their game and enhance their chances of playing college ball.
I was playing college baseball in the late 80's and early 90's. We had several guys on the team taking stuff, and I was only at a division i-AA school, although for baseball purposes, we played a predominantly D1 schedule and were eligible for the College World Series.
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in the NFL v. MLB. Maybe because it is less obvious in the NFL due to all the equipment players wear, but I think PED use has been far more prevalent in the NFL than MLB.
Barry Bonds was a great player before he started using, he should be in. McGwire, Sosa, Canseco and others probably don't sniff the HOF without steroids, so I don't think they should get in.
The irony is that Bonds is a hate sink. If he hadn't juiced, McGwire, Clemens and the others would be in the Hall of Fame right now. I still think McGwire eventually gets in.
Now, the big question is was he using while in Oakland earlier in his career.
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In NFL juices or has juiced.
I think the untold story - well, a story not discussed enough - is the steroid use at the high school level. No testing there.
And I know parents who condone it..."If it helps my son get a scholarship, then it may be worth it..."
Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.
And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.
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...Edelman took whatever he was taking for a short period - I believe that because he wasn't caught before or after his suspension. On that fact, I have to consider him clean.
Bonds, on the other hand, was taking his drug enhancement for a much longer period of time and benefiting it exponentially (as Arc said above - he was simply unreal). I mean, you had to be blind not to see it.
And Edelman is just a good WR IMO....no where near a HOF player. Very clutch, but not an all time great. Not. Even. Close.
Most observers estimate PED use in the NFL at well over 50%. Believing that Edelman's was an inadvertent ingestation or a short-term use is like believing Papi happened upon some off-brand cough syrup.
With Edelman, the point I was trying to express was he basically playing within the NFL limits - except for this one time. The guy came back from an ACL and looks better than ever, of course he's doing something.
With Bonds, the aura of steroids was all around him.....and as other have said it was like a video game watching him play. And how he was acquiring his stuff was controversial too as I remember........
I don't get that feeling with Edelman.
Maybe the title of this thread should have been is there a difference between Barry Bonds and the entire NFL lol...
2) It is also disgusting that Mcgwire is allowed to coach at the MLB level. He shouldn't allowed anywhere near a MLB clubhouse or a minor league or NCAA clubhouse for that matter.
2) It is also disgusting that Mcgwire is allowed to coach at the MLB level. He shouldn't allowed anywhere near a MLB clubhouse or a minor league or NCAA clubhouse for that matter.
Why is McGwire uniquely awful? I'd wager a substantial sum of money he's not the only guy in coaching - big leagues or otherwise - who has been implicated in PED use. At least he didn't try to blame his wife.
That's the difference.
The way NFL testing is given, it is very hard to get caught. The offseason testing window is mandated by the collective bargaining agreement. Ironically, it opens on 4/20 to the week before camp, and because of the difficulty in having resources for testing every player, you have a pretty good idea exactly when that test will happen.
that is the only guaranteed test you may have to take. There are random drug tests, but unless the league has you in their crosshairs, the randomness of them and the idea that there is no prior notification is up for debate
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Baseball's records are sacred, football barely cares about their's.
And Edelman shouldn't sniff the HOF.
Want to see where anyone ever has said HOF and Edelman other than the OP
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Ah. My favorite stalker. Hope you are well. Saw you on the dupe thread Irony.
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In comment 14293047 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 14292973 giants#1 said:
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Baseball's records are sacred, football barely cares about their's.
And Edelman shouldn't sniff the HOF.
Want to see where anyone ever has said HOF and Edelman other than the OP
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Ah. My favorite stalker. Hope you are well. Saw you on the dupe thread Irony.
I'm a dupe? Who exactly do you think I'm a dupe of? Or is it just that you don't know what "dupe" means? I've been on here and other Giants boards with one and only one handle for close to 20 years - I've never posted under any other name than Gatorade Dunk (I'm sure the mods can verify this). And I'm hardly a stalker - just a regular poster with a very low tolerance for stupidity. Sorry that your posts tend to catch my eye for that reason.
Besides, I was just trying to help, since you obviously had no idea that several people had been talking about Edelman and the HOF.