I know many still subscribe to the notion that the 2019 class is an underwhelming QB group. Others want Eli Manning to play until he's 60. For those of us who think its necessary to identify the next QB asap while not settling for a guy merely that plays the position because of need, please see below.
I personally do not think the 2019 class is inferior to the 2018 or even 2020 class. I think there are three compelling prospects who project as starters with upside. Before I get there, I do want to say that I think there are 4 guys who strike me as decent backup types: Taylor Cornelius (who I like a bit more than others), Daniel Jones, Jarrett Stidham and Will Grier (admittedly, I don't like these guys as potential starters).
The 3 starter prospects:
Kyler Murray: Blazing speed, above average arm, highly competitive kid. The concern is obviously the size. That is valid. However, the following mitigate the concerns: 1) he is so quick that he doesn't really take hits 2) he gets out of bounds and has an easy baseball slide to avoid contact (see Russell Wilson for how that can be effective). The kid doesn't have Wilson's frame but he clearly is a strong guy who is diligent in the weight room.
Dwayne Haskins: Good size, tremendous accuracy. Arm talent is very good. Good enough athlete. Inexperienced, yes, but shows a lot of advanced skills/savvy.
Drew Lock: Prototypical size, arm talent that is a hair below Patrick Mahomes but in anybody's class after that. Basketball background that offers fluidity/coordination/balance not unlike Sam Darnold.
Other than Baker Mayfield, I don't see how the 2018 or 2020 guys rank above this class.
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The same “scouts” that said there were no franchise QBs in 2016 and what a shocker all 3 1st Round picks won there division and played a home playoff game.. Mahomes was the NFL MVP
The same scouts who laughed at the eagles and Rams when they traded to the top of the draft for Goff and Wentz.. well who is laughing now
Those must be NYG scouts lol
1. 2016 had Goff, Wentz, and Lynch in the first round. So lets try and get facts straight for once. Goff choked the last half of the year. Wentz was outplayed by his backup in the last year and a half. And Lynch is going to be cut. Good one though!
2. 2017 class is off to a good start. Trubisky and Watson sucked big donkey dick in the playoffs. And Watson is still a major injury risk. And Trubisky is carried by his defense. Yes, Mahomes was a great find. Good for KC.
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I remember Eli’s 1st playoff game in Giants Stadium.. it was as bad as a QB can play... if Trubisky and Watson sucked donkey dick Eli was gangbanged by said Donkeys.. my point being 1 bad playoff game won’t kill a career and these guys are big reasons why there teams were in the playoffs
Trubisky had a damn good year let’s not discredit him because his team plays good defense. Without Trubisky the Bears lost to the NYG for crying out loud
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In comment 14293016 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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how anyone can say Darnold (or for that matter Allen and Rosen) are near locks for anything is asinine.
We basically know little more about their future success now than we did entering the draft.
Bullshit.
IMO some of you are just so buried in the Barkley pick and the Eli situation that you don't honestly assess the other QB's.
Bullshit?? Exactly what has any of the young QB's shown that would say definitively that they will be good QB's? You'd have the same questions if Darnold had the year he did on the Giants.
I'm not saying these QB's won't become good or great. What I am saying is based on last year, what did they show to conclusively say they will be great?
Nothing. And I have no fucking clue what that has to do with Barkley or Eli - but carry on with your errant crusade.
Read Deps post. I;m not going to get into a back and forth on a Giants site about Darnold. I don;t give a shit about the Jets. I can give you my opinions and observations but like oyu I'm a Giants fan and ntogoingto get into it. It's not like my opinion is out in left field.
But you can google go on jetswire and as the artcle states, theJets havefound their long-term QB. You can read "touchdownwire" in which they say looks like Darnold is a franchise QB. All the reasons in that article given are why if you were a Jet fan you'd be confident. I don;t want to get into a tit-for-tat on his positives on the linksvs what you see etc.
And i'd like to remind you I did NOT SAY he would be "GREAT."
I didnt even say "Very GOOD." I said he would be good.
This is the problem I continually have with you and your ilk. You don't want to hear criticism of the draft pick and ELi (you even posted that to me) so you think everything is some swat at him and when you don't agree with another you just exaggerate what the other is saying to justify you pov.
And imo you're in denial about ELi and Barkley. It's about them with you.
anyways-- WHERE DID i CALL DARNOLD "GREAT?"" Please provide the link where I said that?
C'mon stop this nonsense.
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In comment 14293062 GoBlue6599 said:
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The same “scouts” that said there were no franchise QBs in 2016 and what a shocker all 3 1st Round picks won there division and played a home playoff game.. Mahomes was the NFL MVP
The same scouts who laughed at the eagles and Rams when they traded to the top of the draft for Goff and Wentz.. well who is laughing now
Those must be NYG scouts lol
1. 2016 had Goff, Wentz, and Lynch in the first round. So lets try and get facts straight for once. Goff choked the last half of the year. Wentz was outplayed by his backup in the last year and a half. And Lynch is going to be cut. Good one though!
2. 2017 class is off to a good start. Trubisky and Watson sucked big donkey dick in the playoffs. And Watson is still a major injury risk. And Trubisky is carried by his defense. Yes, Mahomes was a great find. Good for KC.
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I remember Eli’s 1st playoff game in Giants Stadium.. it was as bad as a QB can play... if Trubisky and Watson sucked donkey dick Eli was gangbanged by said Donkeys.. my point being 1 bad playoff game won’t kill a career and these guys are big reasons why there teams were in the playoffs
Trubisky had a damn good year let’s not discredit him because his team plays good defense. Without Trubisky the Bears lost to the NYG for crying out loud
You remember a game specficially when you were 4 years old? Sure you do...
This x 100. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand such a simple concept. 2005 was a poor quarterback class but Aaron Rodgers emerged from it.
Just look at my opening response:
See the word "great" in there? You see the word "good". Alright then.
I love when people say Mayfield,now... who was never considered the top guy....until word got out that the Browns wanted him.
It's hilarious how many people act like they had Mayfield pegged all along and just didn't like the other QB's. Nearly all BBI discussions last year were about the entire class and people who didn't want a QB wanted none of them including Mayfield who until a couple of days before the draft was expected to be available at 2.
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That does not mean that the Giants are powerless to address the position. They're trying to draft a QB and not a QB class.
This x 100. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand such a simple concept. 2005 was a poor quarterback class but Aaron Rodgers emerged from it.
I actually trust Gettleman, I am a BPA guy and I fully believe Gettleman means it when he says it... that said I support whoever they draft. I hope they do have a QB rated high on their board and they get him. But I don't want them to reach/overdraft. I have not heard one person say they want Eli to play until he is 60, that's just a stupid dig by the OP. Anyone with a brain knows they have an eye out for the next QB, as well they should. But don't draft one just because like I see a lot of people here seemingly advocating. It's mind numbing actually lol. BTW Strahan91 I totally agree with your Darnold assessment. My Uncle is a lifelong Jets fan so I actually watch the Jets. I think he has potential but I am still not sold on him. Time will tell.
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It is all about the individuals.
I love when people say Mayfield,now... who was never considered the top guy....until word got out that the Browns wanted him.
It's hilarious how many people act like they had Mayfield pegged all along and just didn't like the other QB's. Nearly all BBI discussions last year were about the entire class and people who didn't want a QB wanted none of them including Mayfield who until a couple of days before the draft was expected to be available at 2.
Mayfield was always my top guy. All the "concerns" about him really weren't real concerns in my eyes. Just things to knock him for because they personally don't like the guy. And I can't remember where I read it but some poll after the draft 11 NFL GMs had him as their 1st qb.
What worries me the most is I get the feeling that Mayfield wasn't even on the Giants radar.
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In comment 14293077 dep026 said:
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In comment 14293062 GoBlue6599 said:
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The same “scouts” that said there were no franchise QBs in 2016 and what a shocker all 3 1st Round picks won there division and played a home playoff game.. Mahomes was the NFL MVP
The same scouts who laughed at the eagles and Rams when they traded to the top of the draft for Goff and Wentz.. well who is laughing now
Those must be NYG scouts lol
1. 2016 had Goff, Wentz, and Lynch in the first round. So lets try and get facts straight for once. Goff choked the last half of the year. Wentz was outplayed by his backup in the last year and a half. And Lynch is going to be cut. Good one though!
2. 2017 class is off to a good start. Trubisky and Watson sucked big donkey dick in the playoffs. And Watson is still a major injury risk. And Trubisky is carried by his defense. Yes, Mahomes was a great find. Good for KC.
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I remember Eli’s 1st playoff game in Giants Stadium.. it was as bad as a QB can play... if Trubisky and Watson sucked donkey dick Eli was gangbanged by said Donkeys.. my point being 1 bad playoff game won’t kill a career and these guys are big reasons why there teams were in the playoffs
Trubisky had a damn good year let’s not discredit him because his team plays good defense. Without Trubisky the Bears lost to the NYG for crying out loud
You remember a game specficially when you were 4 years old? Sure you do...
I was 19 actually and I remember that game vividly. Eli was awful air mailing Shockey and Plax repeatedly gave the NYG no shot
How vividly do you remember the repeated two times Plax was targeted??
By the way, Eli only had 18 attempts and completed 10.
And one of the attempts to Plax was underthrown for a INT.
So that one time he airmailed him must have been a bitch!!
I see no reason Haskins or Lock can't turn into good quarterbacks, especially Dwayne. His demeanor is awesome. He got better as the year went along. Would love him in blue.
Coaching, desire to improve, even luck in avoiding injuries etc....the path to qb stardom is complex.
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I was 19 actually and I remember that game vividly. Eli was awful air mailing Shockey and Plax repeatedly gave the NYG no shot
How vividly do you remember the repeated two times Plax was targeted??
By the way, Eli only had 18 attempts and completed 10.
And one of the attempts to Plax was underthrown for a INT.
So that one time he airmailed him must have been a bitch!!
He was sitting in the same row as Antdog. Duh!
I love when people say Mayfield,now... who was never considered the top guy....until word got out that the Browns wanted him.
Sounds like 3 possibly 4 decent guys this year.....but who knows how the Giants feel about anyone of them.....
If they want a QB, it will be one over the others....who knows if any other would even be considered
I know Greg Cosell loved him. He's a pretty good source, isn;t he? He LOVED him.
As far as why does it matter for example if some poster loved a guy who eventually turns into a bust that he can't criticize DG?
I’m 32 in fact and it’s funny you can say those things and you don’t know anything about me.. like I said before I just wanna talk Giants football with other fanatics.. I’m not here to banter back and forth with you or fatty from North Carolina
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you are over 30 years old. None whatsoever. And if you are, I feel bad for your parents and what you have become.
I’m 32 in fact and it’s funny you can say those things and you don’t know anything about me.. like I said before I just wanna talk Giants football with other fanatics.. I’m not here to banter back and forth with you or fatty from North Carolina
Yet you respond, personally attack, and make up lies every time we post something.
You're 32? Wow.
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you are over 30 years old. None whatsoever. And if you are, I feel bad for your parents and what you have become.
I’m 32 in fact and it’s funny you can say those things and you don’t know anything about me.. like I said before I just wanna talk Giants football with other fanatics.. I’m not here to banter back and forth with you or fatty from North Carolina
Yet you respond, personally attack, and make up lies every time we post something.
You're 32? Wow.
October 1986
I see no reason Haskins or Lock can't turn into good quarterbacks, especially Dwayne. His demeanor is awesome. He got better as the year went along. Would love him in blue.
Coaching, desire to improve, even luck in avoiding injuries etc....the path to qb stardom is complex.
But he's got great demeanor...?
And, I'll bet he can cook.
Yup. Why would another 3rd or 4th round QB pick give us any hope? We still have Lauletta and who knows what he will turn out to be or not turn out to be?
But there are glaring holes in everyone's game that are glaring and create question marks. And with a talent rich supply of defensive players, it's very hard, despite the premium on the position, to elevate these guys so high in this draft.
Nobody wants to find a solution for our QB issue than me. I think we are at DECON 2. But I wouldn't risk the #6 pick for any of this year's supply. So I think there is going to be great value in the second and third round at QB...
Someone said this earlier, maybe even in another thread, but you can’t just wait for the perfect QB prospect to come along. You guys sound like you will only accept an Andrew Luck as a draftable QB. Even if we pass on a QB, you think the QBs next year will be perfect? We’ll just end up running this conversation back. Oh, Tua doesn’t have the greatest arm and played with superior talent; Herbert plays in a spread offense; etc. Then everyone will say tank until 2021.
Amirite?
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Someone said this earlier, maybe even in another thread, but you can’t just wait for the perfect QB prospect to come along. You guys sound like you will only accept an Andrew Luck as a draftable QB. Even if we pass on a QB, you think the QBs next year will be perfect? We’ll just end up running this conversation back. Oh, Tua doesn’t have the greatest arm and played with superior talent; Herbert plays in a spread offense; etc. Then everyone will say tank until 2021.
No arguments over Trevor Lawrence.
Amirite?
I would take a QB in every draft. Obviously not in the first few rounds, but always later in the draft.
If you hit on one, what a great asset to have...
Amirite?
I don't know why BBI posters continue to take this angle. The thought is not that NYG would pass on the next Reggie White to draft the next Dave Brown. Its that our QB has been on his last legs for years now and there are 3 very good prospects. While none are on the Carson Wentz or Baker Mayfield level as far as prospects, they are in or in some cases above the Darnold, Allen, Rosen tier.
I mean Gettleman can draft the Rookie of the Year and still get incessantly bashed here because he didn't take one of the "sure" QB's last year.
This year's QB's look equally as shaky, so drafting a QB simply for the sake of it does seem to be really stupid.
You set things back so much more if you commit to a high draft pick QB for the next several years if he's a bust. The teams that end up on the short stick of the 1st round QB struggle for years afterwards.
It's not impossible that one of those QBs is available at #6, and they value the guy highly but not enough to trade the farm to move up.
Imagine if DG went out on a limb and picked Murray at #6.
I mean Gettleman can draft the Rookie of the Year and still get incessantly bashed here because he didn't take one of the "sure" QB's last year.
This year's QB's look equally as shaky, so drafting a QB simply for the sake of it does seem to be really stupid.
You set things back so much more if you commit to a high draft pick QB for the next several years if he's a bust. The teams that end up on the short stick of the 1st round QB struggle for years afterwards.
I would consider Mayfield to be a great prospect.
I would put Darnold, Lock and Haskins all in the good prospect tier. Sort of like Jared Goff (despite where he was selected). I think all 3 have a high floor.
I would put Allen and Murray in the high risk, high reward category. Very unique athletes but not without concerns.
Still, to your comment, we can't avoid it forever. Despite a borderline HOF career with great contributions to two SBs and great duration, Eli has been a bottom 3rd QB for several years now. Its time to fix the most important problem.
Fair enough, apologies for any "attitude" that may have come off as.
Just look at my opening response:
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Bullshit?? Exactly what has any of the young QB's shown that would say definitively that they will be good QB's?
See the word "great" in there? You see the word "good". Alright then.
You said this too-- you changed the narrative from "good" in the beginning to "great."
"What I am saying is based on last year, what did they show to conclusively say they will be great?"
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Someone said this earlier, maybe even in another thread, but you can’t just wait for the perfect QB prospect to come along. You guys sound like you will only accept an Andrew Luck as a draftable QB. Even if we pass on a QB, you think the QBs next year will be perfect? We’ll just end up running this conversation back. Oh, Tua doesn’t have the greatest arm and played with superior talent; Herbert plays in a spread offense; etc. Then everyone will say tank until 2021.
You have to be completely dull to think that Tua, Fromm, and Herbert are not clearly better prospects than Haskins and Lock. Sure every QB is going to have his flaws but there's a reason why everyone is saying 2020 is a much stronger class than 2019, that isn't just a made-up thing.
Murray is the Wild Card in this class I think. He's the only one in 2019 class with the potential of being a superstar but he could very well be a bust or out of football in 2 years due his size and option to play another sport. I personally have 100% faith in him but there's no question he is a risk. Haskins and Lock are flat-out mediocre prospects.
Fromm is an Alex Smith type. Tough kid, can run when necessary. Not exactly a pretty thrower though.
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Someone said this earlier, maybe even in another thread, but you can’t just wait for the perfect QB prospect to come along. You guys sound like you will only accept an Andrew Luck as a draftable QB. Even if we pass on a QB, you think the QBs next year will be perfect? We’ll just end up running this conversation back. Oh, Tua doesn’t have the greatest arm and played with superior talent; Herbert plays in a spread offense; etc. Then everyone will say tank until 2021.
Basically, we can't be serious about turning the page from all this losing if we continue to roll out a bottom tier QB making top tier $ in a salary cap league.
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Someone said this earlier, maybe even in another thread, but you can’t just wait for the perfect QB prospect to come along. You guys sound like you will only accept an Andrew Luck as a draftable QB. Even if we pass on a QB, you think the QBs next year will be perfect? We’ll just end up running this conversation back. Oh, Tua doesn’t have the greatest arm and played with superior talent; Herbert plays in a spread offense; etc. Then everyone will say tank until 2021.
Basically, we can't be serious about turning the page from all this losing if we continue to roll out a bottom tier QB making top tier $ in a salary cap league.
Exactly this. Eli's cap number is like $10M higher than Brady's. Currently he's not even half as good as Brady. On top of that the Pats are masterminds at finding the best "bang-for-your-buck" players and managing their salary cap. That right there sums up the entire reason why the Pats are champs and the Giants are chimps.
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how anyone can say Darnold (or for that matter Allen and Rosen) are near locks for anything is asinine.
We basically know little more about their future success now than we did entering the draft.
Bullshit.
IMO some of you are just so buried in the Barkley pick and the Eli situation that you don't honestly assess the other QB's.
Uh I’ll see your bullshit and raise you another bullshit. I love the Barkley pick, think Eli is ok and you can win or lose with him but I don’t know nearly enough about darnold or rosen to form an opinion. I’m sure darnold will have A career, but what kind of career remains to be seen. He’s not a transcendent player I’ll tell you that right now. Never will be either.
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In comment 14293016 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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how anyone can say Darnold (or for that matter Allen and Rosen) are near locks for anything is asinine.
We basically know little more about their future success now than we did entering the draft.
Bullshit.
IMO some of you are just so buried in the Barkley pick and the Eli situation that you don't honestly assess the other QB's.
Uh I’ll see your bullshit and raise you another bullshit. I love the Barkley pick, think Eli is ok and you can win or lose with him but I don’t know nearly enough about darnold or rosen to form an opinion. I’m sure darnold will have A career, but what kind of career remains to be seen. He’s not a transcendent player I’ll tell you that right now. Never will be either.
Who said Darnold will be near a transcendent player never mind "A transcedent player?"