he could change a lot in this draft. Vick was 6' 215 lbs and went #1 in his draft. Murray could do the same if he comes in at 5'10 and 195 lbs. with his skill set and interview performance. Another exciting draft year after a shit season. Think we are are turning this ship around.
Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.
Take your time.
Name me some that had signed with a MLB team that were as heavily recruited as Murray was in both sports...
Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders come to mind. Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round out of HS, Sanders the 6th.
Exactly its a tiny sample size but both went on the play baseball at some point. Not necessarily quitting football but the players that signed in multiple sports ended up playing them.
That Dan Patrick interview did not make him sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. The only other interviews I could see where just some canned answer types that were edited.
That Dan Patrick interview did not make him sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. The only other interviews I could see where just some canned answer types that were edited.
Well yeah for good reason, he was probably told by his agent, etc. not to discuss certain things at that point and Patrick and others just would not drop it. He probably should have declined the interviews.
I've long been a died in the wool proponent of the old school NFL prototype pocket passer. Even guys like Wilson didn't sway me because imo he doesn't have a great arm. As a young man I watched Flutie play at BC and followed his career. He had the it factor with his athletic ability and arm strength but the league wasn't ready for him and didn't know how to use him propwerly. I thought that day may never arrive but it's here. Mahomes has that type of ability and moxie. Now Murray might, just might have it too.
If we go QB with a high 1st Round pick I'd still prefer Haskins as the guy with the better combination of celing and floor. Murray though has entered into the equation for me. There just might be two QB's worthy of our consideration.
Is there something in there that says he specifically WON'T play baseball?
I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.
Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.
Is there something in there that says he specifically WON'T play baseball?
I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.
Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.
He's going to be giving back the money. So if that happens and then he decides he wants to go back to baseball he'd have to crawl back and presumably take a lesser deal.
He's playing football, always has been IMO. He's going to go in the first round and play the sexiest position in sports for a lot more money than he'd be making this year on the A's.
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
Exactly, Murray played the game like a savvy businessman. Probably at the advice of his agents on both sides. Pretend youre 100% invested in baseball and the Athletics, just in case the football thing doesnt work out or you change your mind.
There is no word for it contract in any business, let alone one with millions on the table...
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
I don't disagree with any of that.
However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
I don't disagree with any of that.
However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.
I agree with this 100%.
IMO, theres 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.
If Tim Tebow can get a legit shot with the Mets post his failed NFL career, you better believe Murray will be able to go back and play baseball later if he wants to.
IMO, theres 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.
I don't believe Oakland took any kind of verbal guarantee. But if they did, then they are stupid.
But again - they clearly thought this could happen, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract they way they did.
Do you think the March 1st date for him to receive the rest of the signing bonus was a mistake? That date was clearly chosen because they would know by then if he would attend the combine.
You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.
we gamble for Murray as QB;
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.
No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.
This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.
Wait, you want to gamble on him in hopes he becomes a WR?!
No, I'm willing to gamble that he will be our QB of the future. But an Edelman type of career wouldn't be a bad consolation IF it doesn't work out at QB. Not that we need a slot receiver, but it wouldn't be a complete waste of a pick like Flowers or Apple. Again, I doubt Murray accepts any position other than QB.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Seriously? Murray has a decent chance of being a top 4 OVERALL pick, and you're busy wasting people's time with if he falls to the 4th round. Well...thanks for that.
Hey, if Nick Bosa falls to the 5th round, I'd take a shot on him. Quinnen Williams, too. Are we done with the nonsense yet?
Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
Thats an interesting tidbit, Rick. The risks associated with Haskins makes me think that trade offer is the best route, although the Cardinals would need to throw in another pick to balance it out.
Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.
This is correct. At least Rosen is on tape against NFL teams and survived a brutal year behind that line(durability issue resolved). While I agree with UConn on trying to get him for a 2nd round pick, I would take him for the 6th - he was who I wanted last year.
UConn you cannot say that because he was 10th last year means a 6th this year is over paying, there is no direct correlation. Rosen would easily be the top QB in the draft this year, which means he would be a top 5 pick this year if not #1.
its not just because we could have had him last year its because hes likes losing 2 seasons of being cost controlled as we arent cutting Eli. Its also because I dont believe hes as good as you guys think he is. I think hed go roughly in the exact same spot this year due to his issues (attitude and concussions) and would not be the #1 QB in 2019.
So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and its a no for me.
its not just because we could have had him last year its because hes likes losing 2 seasons of being cost controlled as we arent cutting Eli. Its also because I dont believe hes as good as you guys think he is. I think hed go roughly in the exact same spot this year due to his issues (attitude and concussions) and would not be the #1 QB in 2019.
So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and its a no for me.
To me, the only draft eligible QB I would take over Rosen is Trevor Lawrence. Too bad hes not available until 2021. Hes certainly better (significantly) than any of these guys in 2019 and Im confident hed be better than the projected guys many here, myself included, prefer DG choose from in 2020. If Rosen is available, DG must be willing to trade whatever it takes to get him, including the #6.
in the "don't judge a QB off a rookie year" camp, but let's be honest, Rosen had a terrible rookie year. He can recover, he might be a good QB in the future, but other than projection and speculation, he has never put up wow numbers. He had one decent year in college after two so-so years.
He was the 4th QB taken, even after Josh Allen who was and is a project, and some people believe he'd be the first taken this year? He wouldn't go before Haskins or Lock. And next year? He might not even go in the first round. Rosen isn't going to be a NY Giant. And the Giants would be crazy to hitch their wagon to Rosen when they are in good position to get Haskins or Lock if they wanted to go QB this year, or to trade down and acquire extra picks to go after a QB in next year's draft.
As for Murray, newsflash, he won't even be the 2nd QB taken this year. I have doubts he will go in the first round. Haskins, Lock, and perhaps Daniel Jones will all go before Murray.
Apparently Kyler Murray wrote a 100% commitment....
to Baseball letter if taken in the first round, too. Anybody seen this?
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I believe that is a different situation. Of course he is going to write that when he didn't think he was going to be a first round pick. Now that both options are viable he is stating his preference for football.
I'm sorry, but that's BS when it costs a team a pick.
OK, so supposedly he told teams he was "100% committed".
Obviously the A's didn't fully believe that, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract to give them just about a full refund if(when) he bailed.
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I'd do everything in their power to get as much money as possible. He really, really dicked them over.
They don't really have to "do" much; there is language in the contract that if he doesn't come to baseball camp, the signing bonus is forfeited.
I'm sure they'd rather have the player than the money, of course...
they should get his football contract too. I know it will never happen.
But EPIC screw job by Murray. You're going to see MLB teams tell players they wont be allowed to play another sport once the contract is signed.
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.
Take your time.
Name me some that had signed with a MLB team that were as heavily recruited as Murray was in both sports...
Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders come to mind. Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round out of HS, Sanders the 6th.
Dave Winfield was drafted in three sports: MLB, NBA (and ABA), and NFL.
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.
Take your time.
Name me some that had signed with a MLB team that were as heavily recruited as Murray was in both sports...
Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders come to mind. Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round out of HS, Sanders the 6th.
Exactly its a tiny sample size but both went on the play baseball at some point. Not necessarily quitting football but the players that signed in multiple sports ended up playing them.
Well yeah for good reason, he was probably told by his agent, etc. not to discuss certain things at that point and Patrick and others just would not drop it. He probably should have declined the interviews.
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.
No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.
This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.
No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.
This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.
Wait, you want to gamble on him in hopes he becomes a WR?!
If we go QB with a high 1st Round pick I'd still prefer Haskins as the guy with the better combination of celing and floor. Murray though has entered into the equation for me. There just might be two QB's worthy of our consideration.
I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.
Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.
But EPIC screw job by Murray. You're going to see MLB teams tell players they wont be allowed to play another sport once the contract is signed.
How is it a screw job? Players have been drafted in multiple sports for decades.
People can change their minds. Happens all the time.
But from everything I have read and heard, Murray and Boras gave Bean their word that Murray was all in on baseball.
And the A's were more than generous letting him play football, btw.
But once Murray started going on a tear, getting all the attention, then the Heisman, then everything got turned upside down.
So let's not let Murray off scot-free...
You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.
I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.
Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.
He's going to be giving back the money. So if that happens and then he decides he wants to go back to baseball he'd have to crawl back and presumably take a lesser deal.
He's playing football, always has been IMO. He's going to go in the first round and play the sexiest position in sports for a lot more money than he'd be making this year on the A's.
Exactly, Murray played the game like a savvy businessman. Probably at the advice of his agents on both sides. Pretend youre 100% invested in baseball and the Athletics, just in case the football thing doesnt work out or you change your mind.
There is no word for it contract in any business, let alone one with millions on the table...
I don't disagree with any of that.
However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.
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wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
I don't disagree with any of that.
However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.
I agree with this 100%.
IMO, theres 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.
If Tim Tebow can get a legit shot with the Mets post his failed NFL career, you better believe Murray will be able to go back and play baseball later if he wants to.
IMO, theres 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.
I don't believe Oakland took any kind of verbal guarantee. But if they did, then they are stupid.
But again - they clearly thought this could happen, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract they way they did.
Do you think the March 1st date for him to receive the rest of the signing bonus was a mistake? That date was clearly chosen because they would know by then if he would attend the combine.
You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.
Why put it mildly? ;)
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we gamble for Murray as QB;
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.
No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.
This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.
Wait, you want to gamble on him in hopes he becomes a WR?!
No, I'm willing to gamble that he will be our QB of the future. But an Edelman type of career wouldn't be a bad consolation IF it doesn't work out at QB. Not that we need a slot receiver, but it wouldn't be a complete waste of a pick like Flowers or Apple. Again, I doubt Murray accepts any position other than QB.
Take your time.
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If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
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If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
No, they dont. And they wont.
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.
Take your time.
Brian Jordan
We have a winner!
You kinda ruined my point?
Ok other than Brian Jordan who doesnt count because I forgot about him.... anyone else?
Doesnt matter giants may think hes too small. Poopy to that.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Seriously? Murray has a decent chance of being a top 4 OVERALL pick, and you're busy wasting people's time with if he falls to the 4th round. Well...thanks for that.
Hey, if Nick Bosa falls to the 5th round, I'd take a shot on him. Quinnen Williams, too. Are we done with the nonsense yet?
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.
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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.
If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.
This is correct. At least Rosen is on tape against NFL teams and survived a brutal year behind that line(durability issue resolved). While I agree with UConn on trying to get him for a 2nd round pick, I would take him for the 6th - he was who I wanted last year.
UConn you cannot say that because he was 10th last year means a 6th this year is over paying, there is no direct correlation. Rosen would easily be the top QB in the draft this year, which means he would be a top 5 pick this year if not #1.
So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and its a no for me.
So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and its a no for me.
To me, the only draft eligible QB I would take over Rosen is Trevor Lawrence. Too bad hes not available until 2021. Hes certainly better (significantly) than any of these guys in 2019 and Im confident hed be better than the projected guys many here, myself included, prefer DG choose from in 2020. If Rosen is available, DG must be willing to trade whatever it takes to get him, including the #6.
There's a special level of dumb on bbi. Derp Ari don't want rosen, likely because of his douchy suckiness.
She's rarely on the mark and a joke.
He was the 4th QB taken, even after Josh Allen who was and is a project, and some people believe he'd be the first taken this year? He wouldn't go before Haskins or Lock. And next year? He might not even go in the first round. Rosen isn't going to be a NY Giant. And the Giants would be crazy to hitch their wagon to Rosen when they are in good position to get Haskins or Lock if they wanted to go QB this year, or to trade down and acquire extra picks to go after a QB in next year's draft.
As for Murray, newsflash, he won't even be the 2nd QB taken this year. I have doubts he will go in the first round. Haskins, Lock, and perhaps Daniel Jones will all go before Murray.
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Wrote a pre draft letter to MLB teams guaranteeing 100% commitment to baseball if taken in 1st R. As have now lost Top 10 pick theyll never get back
Here's the thread from Ross Tucker: Link - ( New Window )
I believe that is a different situation. Of course he is going to write that when he didn't think he was going to be a first round pick. Now that both options are viable he is stating his preference for football.
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OK, so supposedly he told teams he was "100% committed".
Obviously the A's didn't fully believe that, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract to give them just about a full refund if(when) he bailed.