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DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 12:51 pm
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RE: RE: RE: If I am the A's  
Matt M. : 2/11/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14293334 dep026 said:
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I'd do everything in their power to get as much money as possible. He really, really dicked them over.



They don't really have to "do" much; there is language in the contract that if he doesn't come to baseball camp, the signing bonus is forfeited.

I'm sure they'd rather have the player than the money, of course...



they should get his football contract too. I know it will never happen.

But EPIC screw job by Murray. You're going to see MLB teams tell players they wont be allowed to play another sport once the contract is signed.
How is it a screw job? Players have been drafted in multiple sports for decades.
Depending on his combine measurements (height, weight) and pefromance  
TMS : 2/11/2019 2:59 pm : link
he could change a lot in this draft. Vick was 6' 215 lbs and went #1 in his draft. Murray could do the same if he comes in at 5'10 and 195 lbs. with his skill set and interview performance. Another exciting draft year after a shit season. Think we are are turning this ship around.
I guess Drew Henson would fit your criteria  
figgy2989 : 2/11/2019 2:59 pm : link
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Question:  
mrvax : 2/11/2019 3:03 pm : link
What baseball position did Murray play? I have no idea.
RE: RE: RE: Quick trivia question  
RobCarpenter : 2/11/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14293516 figgy2989 said:
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.

Take your time.



Name me some that had signed with a MLB team that were as heavily recruited as Murray was in both sports...

Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders come to mind. Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round out of HS, Sanders the 6th.


Dave Winfield was drafted in three sports: MLB, NBA (and ABA), and NFL.
RE: RE: RE: Quick trivia question  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14293516 figgy2989 said:
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.

Take your time.



Name me some that had signed with a MLB team that were as heavily recruited as Murray was in both sports...



Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders come to mind. Jackson was drafted in the 2nd round out of HS, Sanders the 6th.


Exactly it’s a tiny sample size but both went on the play baseball at some point. Not necessarily “quitting” football but the players that signed in multiple sports ended up playing them.
I'm curious what he gets on the Wonderlic.  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 3:13 pm : link
That Dan Patrick interview did not make him sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. The only other interviews I could see where just some canned answer types that were edited.
RE: I'm curious what he gets on the Wonderlic.  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14293542 Zeke's Alibi said:
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That Dan Patrick interview did not make him sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. The only other interviews I could see where just some canned answer types that were edited.


Well yeah for good reason, he was probably told by his agent, etc. not to discuss certain things at that point and Patrick and others just would not drop it. He probably should have declined the interviews.
None of those guys got 1st round NFL money  
UConn4523 : 2/11/2019 3:21 pm : link
they are basically irrelevant comps. This has never been done before.
#6 pick... would you be all for it, if:  
SHO'NUFF : 2/11/2019 3:23 pm : link
we gamble for Murray as QB;
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.

No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.

This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.
RE: #6 pick... would you be all for it, if:  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14293550 SHO'NUFF said:
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we gamble for Murray as QB;
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.

No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.

This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.


Wait, you want to gamble on him in hopes he becomes a WR?!
This kid intrigues me  
Torrag : 2/11/2019 3:34 pm : link
I've long been a died in the wool proponent of the old school NFL prototype pocket passer. Even guys like Wilson didn't sway me because imo he doesn't have a great arm. As a young man I watched Flutie play at BC and followed his career. He had the it factor with his athletic ability and arm strength but the league wasn't ready for him and didn't know how to use him propwerly. I thought that day may never arrive but it's here. Mahomes has that type of ability and moxie. Now Murray might, just might have it too.

If we go QB with a high 1st Round pick I'd still prefer Haskins as the guy with the better combination of celing and floor. Murray though has entered into the equation for me. There just might be two QB's worthy of our consideration.
Am I missing something  
allstarjim : 2/11/2019 3:36 pm : link
Is there something in there that says he specifically WON'T play baseball?

I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.

Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If I am the A's  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14293521 Matt M. said:
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But EPIC screw job by Murray. You're going to see MLB teams tell players they wont be allowed to play another sport once the contract is signed.

How is it a screw job? Players have been drafted in multiple sports for decades.


People can change their minds. Happens all the time.

But from everything I have read and heard, Murray and Boras gave Bean their word that Murray was all in on baseball.

And the A's were more than generous letting him play football, btw.

But once Murray started going on a tear, getting all the attention, then the Heisman, then everything got turned upside down.

So let's not let Murray off scot-free...
let him off scot free?  
Torrag : 2/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.
RE: let him off scot free?  
Bill L : 2/11/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14293571 Torrag said:
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wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.

You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.
RE: Am I missing something  
UConn4523 : 2/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14293566 allstarjim said:
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Is there something in there that says he specifically WON'T play baseball?

I'm fully committed to football is a nice statement but it's a little non-specific, right? I'm sure when he's playing baseball he's fully committed to that too.

Anyway, whether or not he is fully committed or not, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. I believe he's going to bust in the NFL.


He's going to be giving back the money. So if that happens and then he decides he wants to go back to baseball he'd have to crawl back and presumably take a lesser deal.

He's playing football, always has been IMO. He's going to go in the first round and play the sexiest position in sports for a lot more money than he'd be making this year on the A's.
RE: let him off scot free?  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14293571 Torrag said:
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wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.


Exactly, Murray played the game like a savvy businessman. Probably at the advice of his agents on both sides. “Pretend you’re 100% invested in baseball and the Athletics, just in case the football thing doesn’t work out or you change your mind.”

There is no “word for it” contract in any business, let alone one with millions on the table...
RE: let him off scot free?  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14293571 Torrag said:
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wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.


I don't disagree with any of that.

However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.

Good. Hopefully he does well at the combine  
Brown Recluse : 2/11/2019 3:46 pm : link
and both he and Haskins are drafted in the top 5 so the Giants get a better chance at the top defenders.
RE: RE: let him off scot free?  
dep026 : 2/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14293582 bw in dc said:
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wth are you talking about? It's his life and he gets to decide what to do with it. If the A's didn't protect themselves in the contract then they were the fools.



I don't disagree with any of that.

However, I can still take the position that Murray doesn't come out looking great and innocent - from my perspective.


I agree with this 100%.

IMO, there’s 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.
Smart...  
moze1021 : 2/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
baseball will always be there.

If Tim Tebow can get a legit shot with the Mets post his failed NFL career, you better believe Murray will be able to go back and play baseball later if he wants to.
RE: RE: RE: let him off scot free?  
speedywheels : 2/11/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14293585 dep026 said:
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IMO, there’s 0% chance Oakland took him without getting some verbal guarantee.


I don't believe Oakland took any kind of verbal guarantee. But if they did, then they are stupid.

But again - they clearly thought this could happen, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract they way they did.

Do you think the March 1st date for him to receive the rest of the signing bonus was a mistake? That date was clearly chosen because they would know by then if he would attend the combine.
RE: RE: let him off scot free?  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14293573 Bill L said:
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You'll have to forgive bw. He's from a different age where someone's word and honor meant something. That's what he meant by scot free. bw is, to put it mildly, a sap.


Why put it mildly? ;)
I hold the same prudent and sensible position  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/11/2019 4:57 pm : link
I held last year, if the Giants pick a qb they love, I am all for it. Unlike the ravening Saquon h8ing Darnold freaks.
RE: RE: #6 pick... would you be all for it, if:  
SHO'NUFF : 2/11/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14293557 Ssanders9816 said:
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we gamble for Murray as QB;
ultimately, it doesn't pan out;
we make Kylar a WR;
he ends up being Julian Edelman caliber.

No doubt Kylar is an athlete and can succeed anywhere on the field.

This is assuming he doesn't flip us off and plays baseball rather than switch positions.



Wait, you want to gamble on him in hopes he becomes a WR?!


No, I'm willing to gamble that he will be our QB of the future. But an Edelman type of career wouldn't be a bad consolation IF it doesn't work out at QB. Not that we need a slot receiver, but it wouldn't be a complete waste of a pick like Flowers or Apple. Again, I doubt Murray accepts any position other than QB.
RE: Quick trivia question  
FStubbs : 2/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14293501 djm said:
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.

Take your time.


Brian Jordan
I'd take a chance on Murray  
PatersonPlank : 2/11/2019 9:33 pm : link
in the 4th round. He's too small.
Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
Big Rick in FL : 2/11/2019 10:57 pm : link
Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.

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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.


If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
RE: Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14293970 Big Rick in FL said:
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.



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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.



If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.


No, they don’t. And they won’t.
RE: RE: Quick trivia question  
djm : 2/11/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14293905 FStubbs said:
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Name me one instance where a productive nfl player QUIT the game to go to baseball.

Take your time.



Brian Jordan


We have a winner!

You kinda ruined my point?

Ok other than Brian Jordan who doesn’t count because I forgot about him.... anyone else?

Doesn’t matter giants may think he’s too small. Poopy to that.
RE: Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
UConn4523 : 2/11/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14293970 Big Rick in FL said:
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.



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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.



If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.


So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.
RE: I'd take a chance on Murray  
Giants38 : 2/12/2019 12:40 am : link
In comment 14293927 PatersonPlank said:
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in the 4th round. He's too small.


Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Seriously? Murray has a decent chance of being a top 4 OVERALL pick, and you're busy wasting people's time with if he falls to the 4th round. Well...thanks for that.

Hey, if Nick Bosa falls to the 5th round, I'd take a shot on him. Quinnen Williams, too. Are we done with the nonsense yet?
RE: Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
cosmicj : 2/12/2019 3:36 am : link
In comment 14293970 Big Rick in FL said:
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.



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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.



If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.
That’s an interesting tidbit, Rick. The risks associated with Haskins makes me think that trade offer is the best route, although the Cardinals would need to throw in another pick to balance it out.
RE: RE: Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
Big Rick in FL : 2/12/2019 6:20 am : link
In comment 14293976 UConn4523 said:
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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.



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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.



If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.



So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.


Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.
RE: RE: RE: Kyler hired the same agent as Kingsbury  
section125 : 2/12/2019 6:38 am : link
In comment 14294038 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14293976 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 14293970 Big Rick in FL said:


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Josina Anderson who is pretty plugged in just tweeted this.



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Tweet from @JosinaAnderson: So....now the first question mark in the NFL Draft starts at #2.



If that means Kyler to Arizona the Giants have to offer the 6th pick for Rosen.



So pay more when we could take him last year, sounds like a great business model. No thanks. Offer our 2 and add on from there.



Last draft had a Saquon. This draft does not. If Josh Rosen is available for the 6th pick he's the best player available. Has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's still just 22. Only 3 months older then Haskins.


This is correct. At least Rosen is on tape against NFL teams and survived a brutal year behind that line(durability issue resolved). While I agree with UConn on trying to get him for a 2nd round pick, I would take him for the 6th - he was who I wanted last year.

UConn you cannot say that because he was 10th last year means a 6th this year is over paying, there is no direct correlation. Rosen would easily be the top QB in the draft this year, which means he would be a top 5 pick this year if not #1.
Yes I can  
UConn4523 : 2/12/2019 6:45 am : link
it’s not just because we could have had him last year it’s because he’s likes losing 2 seasons of being cost controlled as we aren’t cutting Eli. It’s also because I don’t believe he’s as good as you guys think he is. I think he’d go roughly in the exact same spot this year due to his issues (attitude and concussions) and would not be the #1 QB in 2019.

So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and it’s a no for me.
RE: Yes I can  
The_Boss : 2/12/2019 7:03 am : link
In comment 14294046 UConn4523 said:
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it’s not just because we could have had him last year it’s because he’s likes losing 2 seasons of being cost controlled as we aren’t cutting Eli. It’s also because I don’t believe he’s as good as you guys think he is. I think he’d go roughly in the exact same spot this year due to his issues (attitude and concussions) and would not be the #1 QB in 2019.

So yeah add in the fact that we passed on him last year to the above and it’s a no for me.


To me, the only draft eligible QB I would take over Rosen is Trevor Lawrence. Too bad he’s not available until 2021. He’s certainly better (significantly) than any of these guys in 2019 and I’m confident he’d be better than the projected guys many here, myself included, prefer DG choose from in 2020. If Rosen is available, DG must be willing to trade whatever it takes to get him, including the #6.
Since when did Josh Rosen become Peyton manning  
UConn4523 : 2/12/2019 7:14 am : link
?
RE: Since when did Josh Rosen become Peyton manning  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/12/2019 7:59 am : link
In comment 14294062 UConn4523 said:
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There's a special level of dumb on bbi. Derp Ari don't want rosen, likely because of his douchy suckiness.
Lost in..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 8:35 am : link
the Rosen discussion is that it stems from a tweet from Josina Anderson, who the poster said is "plugged in".

She's rarely on the mark and a joke.
She is  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/12/2019 10:08 am : link
An outright troll.
I'm definitely  
allstarjim : 2/12/2019 11:13 am : link
in the "don't judge a QB off a rookie year" camp, but let's be honest, Rosen had a terrible rookie year. He can recover, he might be a good QB in the future, but other than projection and speculation, he has never put up wow numbers. He had one decent year in college after two so-so years.

He was the 4th QB taken, even after Josh Allen who was and is a project, and some people believe he'd be the first taken this year? He wouldn't go before Haskins or Lock. And next year? He might not even go in the first round. Rosen isn't going to be a NY Giant. And the Giants would be crazy to hitch their wagon to Rosen when they are in good position to get Haskins or Lock if they wanted to go QB this year, or to trade down and acquire extra picks to go after a QB in next year's draft.



As for Murray, newsflash, he won't even be the 2nd QB taken this year. I have doubts he will go in the first round. Haskins, Lock, and perhaps Daniel Jones will all go before Murray.

Apparently Kyler Murray wrote a 100% commitment....  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 11:23 am : link
to Baseball letter if taken in the first round, too. Anybody seen this?

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Wrote a pre draft letter to MLB teams guaranteeing “100% commitment” to baseball if taken in 1st R. A’s have now lost Top 10 pick they’ll never get back


Here's the thread from Ross Tucker:

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RE: Apparently Kyler Murray wrote a 100% commitment....  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14294423 Britt in VA said:
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to Baseball letter if taken in the first round, too. Anybody seen this?



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Paul Crane


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Replying to @RossTuckerNFL @ProFootballTalk
Wrote a pre draft letter to MLB teams guaranteeing “100% commitment” to baseball if taken in 1st R. A’s have now lost Top 10 pick they’ll never get back



Here's the thread from Ross Tucker: Link - ( New Window )


I believe that is a different situation. Of course he is going to write that when he didn't think he was going to be a first round pick. Now that both options are viable he is stating his preference for football.
I'm sorry, but that's BS when it costs a team a pick.  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 11:32 am : link
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So 100% committed doesn't mean 100% committed.  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 11:33 am : link
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Aaaaannnnnnnnnnndddddd, he changed his statement.  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 11:40 am : link


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RE: So 100% committed doesn't mean 100% committed.  
speedywheels : 2/12/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14294435 Britt in VA said:
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OK, so supposedly he told teams he was "100% committed".

Obviously the A's didn't fully believe that, otherwise they wouldn't have structured the contract to give them just about a full refund if(when) he bailed.
Wait, nevermind....  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 11:42 am : link
I thought the verbage was that he was 100% committed to becoming an NFL QB.
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