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NGT: Browns Sign Kareem Hunt

Anando : 2/11/2019 2:00 pm
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Browns announcement:


Pretty surprising considering they have Nick Chubb, but I guess they are taking a flyer on him even if he is suspended first half of the season?

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RE: RE: He's entitled to a 2nd chance  
djstat : 2/11/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14293451 GoDeep13 said:
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He's paid for an extremely ugly mistake by being fired and taking a lower level role with another company. That said, if there's another incident, he should have to find another career outside of the public eye.

Good move for both sides. It's actually a good spot, the Browns have a decent OL with a great interior. He can show out as the 1b in a committee and earn himself a nice, heavily incentivized, payday next year.



No one is entitled to a second chance.
He is entitled to jail time, not a second chance at the NFL
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Big Al : 2/11/2019 2:33 pm : link
Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing.
They just needed another RB...  
EricJ : 2/11/2019 2:35 pm : link
who can deliver a knockout punch in the 4th QTR
No one should be surprised by Hunt  
Captplanet : 2/11/2019 2:35 pm : link
getting another chance in the NFL. Dorsey has an easier time justifying it because he drafted him to KC and can claim to "know his heart". Every other GM is saying "Damn" right now, because they could have gotten a Pro Bowl running back not yet in his prime, for a minimum contract. All it cost them is a little bit of bad publicity in Feb until the NFL Combines starts, and no one mentions it until his first carry in October or November of 2019.
RE: RE: He's entitled to a 2nd chance  
The 12th Man : 2/11/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14293451 GoDeep13 said:
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He's paid for an extremely ugly mistake by being fired and taking a lower level role with another company. That said, if there's another incident, he should have to find another career outside of the public eye.

Good move for both sides. It's actually a good spot, the Browns have a decent OL with a great interior. He can show out as the 1b in a committee and earn himself a nice, heavily incentivized, payday next year.



No one is entitled to a second chance.


I agree no one is entitled to anything but everyone deserves a 2nd chance. He has had issues in the past, this really makes it his 3rd or more. I believe like Josh Gordon this will be his last chance.
Homer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 2:39 pm : link
understood:

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Read the second paragraph; it's in there


I didn't say that Hunt shouldn't get a second chance. I said he shouldn't be "entitled" to one. It looks like he's trying to do things needed to get that chance.
RE: RE: Given  
AcesUp : 2/11/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14293468 robbieballs2003 said:
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That it was a one time incident and he wasn't a chronic abuser, I think he does. There should be some critical thinking involved in these situations, there's a big difference between what Kareem Hunt did and what Greg Hardy did.



Well, it wasn't a one-time incident. Since the woman incident, there were 2 more non-women incidents I believe.


Marijuana? Not really relevant. There's 1 DV incident involving a stranger late night with alcoholo involved.
Absolutely ugly and disgusting but I think there's a difference between that and a Greg Hardy. Guys that are scumbag serial abusers have no place in the NFL, I'm in agreement there. I think there's a stronger argument that Reuben Foster should be out of the league than Kareem Hunt because there appears to a pattern there.
RE: There..  
djm : 2/11/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14293428 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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won't be any outrage. There's a flowery explanation by the GM rationalizing the move!!


Really is amazing how much stock people put into lip service and or bullshit.

If you come off as sincere you can literally get away with the worst things imaginable.
RE: RE: RE: Given  
robbieballs2003 : 2/11/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14293493 AcesUp said:
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That it was a one time incident and he wasn't a chronic abuser, I think he does. There should be some critical thinking involved in these situations, there's a big difference between what Kareem Hunt did and what Greg Hardy did.



Well, it wasn't a one-time incident. Since the woman incident, there were 2 more non-women incidents I believe.



Marijuana? Not really relevant. There's 1 DV incident involving a stranger late night with alcoholo involved.
Absolutely ugly and disgusting but I think there's a difference between that and a Greg Hardy. Guys that are scumbag serial abusers have no place in the NFL, I'm in agreement there. I think there's a stronger argument that Reuben Foster should be out of the league than Kareem Hunt because there appears to a pattern there.


Not really sure of your point. He was involved in three incidents. Not sure why we are comparing him to other players. Where did I say there is a difference between him an other players or where did I get into the severity of the incidents. My comment was simple. He was involved in three incidents. You said it was a one-time incident. It wasn't.
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RE: RE: There..  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14293498 djm said:
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won't be any outrage. There's a flowery explanation by the GM rationalizing the move!!




Really is amazing how much stock people put into lip service and or bullshit.

If you come off as sincere you can literally get away with the worst things imaginable.


Well yeah, the general public is not very intelligent. And combine that with decades of losing and they will just about believe anything if it means they will be a better team.
this is great for the Browns  
bluepepper : 2/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
except if Hunt has another incident with a woman then it's really going to hit the fan.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Given  
AcesUp : 2/11/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14293500 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14293468 robbieballs2003 said:


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That it was a one time incident and he wasn't a chronic abuser, I think he does. There should be some critical thinking involved in these situations, there's a big difference between what Kareem Hunt did and what Greg Hardy did.



Well, it wasn't a one-time incident. Since the woman incident, there were 2 more non-women incidents I believe.



Marijuana? Not really relevant. There's 1 DV incident involving a stranger late night with alcoholo involved.
Absolutely ugly and disgusting but I think there's a difference between that and a Greg Hardy. Guys that are scumbag serial abusers have no place in the NFL, I'm in agreement there. I think there's a stronger argument that Reuben Foster should be out of the league than Kareem Hunt because there appears to a pattern there.



Not really sure of your point. He was involved in three incidents. Not sure why we are comparing him to other players. Where did I say there is a difference between him an other players or where did I get into the severity of the incidents. My comment was simple. He was involved in three incidents. You said it was a one-time incident. It wasn't. Link - ( New Window )


You didn't provide a link and didn't state that they were violent incidents hence my replay. That changes things for sure.

It's kind of my point as well and why I brought up other players. Each case needs to be looked at individually instead a sweeping draconian response.
Honestly  
allstarjim : 2/11/2019 2:58 pm : link
She was just as much at fault than Kareem. You could clearly see he wanted her to leave and she stepped up in his face all aggressive, he pushes her away, and then she steps back in his face and throws a punch at his head, and hits him.

Men who defend themselves from crazy bitches need to get an automatic pass.

Not saying he did nothing wrong, because he lost his cool and you can't do that with a woman. The woman can lose hers and act like a fucking asshole and nobody bats an eyelash, she doesn't lose her job, her life isn't ruined. Only in the case of the man is he expected to get slapped, punched, and threatened and take it all in stride without retaliation or else he gets sued and loses everything. Female privilege.

Thank god philly didn’t get him  
eli4life : 2/11/2019 3:04 pm : link
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Now the thread's a winner  
Mad Mike : 2/11/2019 3:21 pm : link
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Here is what Hunt has going for him...  
bw in dc : 2/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
Joseph Mixon v. The NFL .

Can't kneel in silent protest against violence.  
Ryan in Albany : 2/11/2019 3:33 pm : link
but sure as shit, you can kick a woman and get another chance. Lame.



RE: Can't kneel in silent protest against violence.  
allstarjim : 2/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14293562 Ryan in Albany said:
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but sure as shit, you can kick a woman and get another chance. Lame.


Pretty sure you can kneel. Players have been doing it and playing for a long time now. In fact, CK has been offered deals. But surely you can draw relevant distinctions to on-field behavior in company uniform on national television every week to a one-time screw up (in which the perpetrator was released from employment and now has to meet a bunch of criteria to get another chance.
RE: RE: Can't kneel in silent protest against violence.  
Ryan in Albany : 2/11/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14293591 allstarjim said:
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but sure as shit, you can kick a woman and get another chance. Lame.




Pretty sure you can kneel. Players have been doing it and playing for a long time now. In fact, CK has been offered deals. But surely you can draw relevant distinctions to on-field behavior in company uniform on national television every week to a one-time screw up (in which the perpetrator was released from employment and now has to meet a bunch of criteria to get another chance.


"screw up" lol JFC The guy kicked a woman. You NEVER do that. Period. Who the hell brought you up. She's as much to blame as Hunt. Holy shit. GTFO.
RE: Honestly  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14293520 allstarjim said:
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She was just as much at fault than Kareem. You could clearly see he wanted her to leave and she stepped up in his face all aggressive, he pushes her away, and then she steps back in his face and throws a punch at his head, and hits him.

Men who defend themselves from crazy bitches need to get an automatic pass.

Not saying he did nothing wrong, because he lost his cool and you can't do that with a woman. The woman can lose hers and act like a fucking asshole and nobody bats an eyelash, she doesn't lose her job, her life isn't ruined. Only in the case of the man is he expected to get slapped, punched, and threatened and take it all in stride without retaliation or else he gets sued and loses everything. Female privilege.


I just watched a video of a woman in the snow in a Jeep in Seattle. Some kids throw a snowball at her car. She then proceeds to try to run them over. She than proceeds to get out of the car and tries to physically attack them.

Somehow I don't think this would have even been conceivable 40 years ago. I mean one of those kids could of dropped her with one punch and killed her. I have seen many women interject themselves into potentially drunken violent situations. We rightfully protect women against violence in society, but a systemic side effect seems to be that many women seem to think they can become aggressors or agitate situations with no repercussions. It is a strange conundrum.
he wasn't arrested or charged.  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/11/2019 4:51 pm : link
he deserves a second chance
women  
jurban : 2/11/2019 4:51 pm : link
amen
If KC hadn't cut him....  
since1925 : 2/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
.....they would probably be having a Super Bowl parade.

Yep, he is a bad dude. But he is pretty special on offense.
RE: RE: Honestly  
ron mexico : 2/11/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14293605 Zeke's Alibi said:
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She was just as much at fault than Kareem. You could clearly see he wanted her to leave and she stepped up in his face all aggressive, he pushes her away, and then she steps back in his face and throws a punch at his head, and hits him.

Men who defend themselves from crazy bitches need to get an automatic pass.

Not saying he did nothing wrong, because he lost his cool and you can't do that with a woman. The woman can lose hers and act like a fucking asshole and nobody bats an eyelash, she doesn't lose her job, her life isn't ruined. Only in the case of the man is he expected to get slapped, punched, and threatened and take it all in stride without retaliation or else he gets sued and loses everything. Female privilege.




I just watched a video of a woman in the snow in a Jeep in Seattle. Some kids throw a snowball at her car. She then proceeds to try to run them over. She than proceeds to get out of the car and tries to physically attack them.

Somehow I don't think this would have even been conceivable 40 years ago. I mean one of those kids could of dropped her with one punch and killed her. I have seen many women interject themselves into potentially drunken violent situations. We rightfully protect women against violence in society, but a systemic side effect seems to be that many women seem to think they can become aggressors or agitate situations with no repercussions. It is a strange conundrum.


That woman got arrested
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 5:24 pm : link
Men are generally much stronger than women are. That's why you don't hit them back.

Even if a woman hit me, I wouldn't hit her back. I'd do only what I needed to remove myself from her path of destruction and that's that.

There's never any reason to do anything more than that. It has to be a literal matter of my own survival for me to physically strike a woman in any way. I understand she wasn't blameless in this situation, but Hunt still has to know better. He's an athlete. He's so much bigger and so much stronger than she is. It's not a fair fight and shouldn't be one that becomes physical at all.

She's absolutely at fault for this too. But Hunt made the bigger mistake and now he has to deal with the backlash and everything that comes along with it.
RE: If KC hadn't cut him....  
robbieballs2003 : 2/11/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14293657 since1925 said:
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.....they would probably be having a Super Bowl parade.

Yep, he is a bad dude. But he is pretty special on offense.


That makes no sense. Was Goodell going to remove him from the Commissioners exempt list so he could play in the super bowl?
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Zeke's Alibi : 2/11/2019 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14293682 arcarsenal said:
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Men are generally much stronger than women are. That's why you don't hit them back.

Even if a woman hit me, I wouldn't hit her back. I'd do only what I needed to remove myself from her path of destruction and that's that.

There's never any reason to do anything more than that. It has to be a literal matter of my own survival for me to physically strike a woman in any way. I understand she wasn't blameless in this situation, but Hunt still has to know better. He's an athlete. He's so much bigger and so much stronger than she is. It's not a fair fight and shouldn't be one that becomes physical at all.

She's absolutely at fault for this too. But Hunt made the bigger mistake and now he has to deal with the backlash and everything that comes along with it.


Hunt clearly made a mistake here. An older, more mature man learns just to walk away from these situations. When you decide to do that you don't even give her the chance to work you up into a frenzy. Hopefully this serves as a wake up call.

He was 22 years old at the time of the incident. Your brain doesn't even stop maturing until it is 25. 18 is the age we have decided to consider one an adult probably because the vast majority of people are done growing by than, however your brain is still maturing. For me personally, I know there was a distinct difference in my maturity in decision making from about 23 on.
RE: .  
ColHowPepper : 2/11/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14293460 arcarsenal said:
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Dorsey certainly does not seem afraid of any sort of PR backlash.

I certainly do not condone Hunt's behavior and he deserves to deal with all of the backlash and suspension that will come along with it.

But, I think Dorsey's approach is necessary for that team. He has to be willing to sacrifice a little bit for talent to get them back on the map and stop people from using them as the butt end of every NFL joke when discussing anything associated with failure, hopelessness, etc.

You can be more deliberate about the type of guys you sign when you're a little more established. But for the Browns, beggars can't be choosers and Hunt is a very talented kid who, paired with Chubb, and Johnson's pass catching prowess, will give the Browns one of the best RB groups in football.
arc, the rueful reply I have to your post is that I think the Browns have a shitload more talented roster than the Giants
never mind I can't read Dorsey's statement  
ColHowPepper : 2/11/2019 6:07 pm : link
because the two ads occlude the right half of the screen
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 6:16 pm : link
I would hope so!

Look at all of the early first round picks and picks they've had in general lately.

Winning 4 total games in 3 entire football seasons will afford you the ability to draft some top flight talent out of college and rebuild your roster.

Cleveland had tons of picks and cap space which allowed Dorsey to do some serious shopping for talent.

Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, Callaway, and Harrison all came through the 2018 draft.

Garrett, Peppers, and Njoku all came last year.

They spent money on Jarvis Landry and Carlos Hyde (who they eventually dealt to JAX to make room for Chubb to play)

Funny thing is, for all the credit they get... the Giants scored more points than they did and our defense was basically right on par with theirs.

But it's what I keep saying about a turnaround needing more than one season. Obviously going from 0 wins to 7 is a major improvement and a necessary stepping stone. But the Browns still have work to do.

I think they took a major step in the right direction this year and finally have their QB.

But I'd hope they'd have been able to accumulate talent after 4 wins in 48 tries. It's almost hard to stay THAT bad for more than a few years.
How soon they forget  
JohnF : 2/11/2019 6:22 pm : link






Unless you can play at a high level, of course. Funny, is someone who defrauds a company entitled to a second chance to work there?

If not, then fraud is worst than hitting a woman?

Oh, and here's the official NFL Video. I guess it had an expiration date.


NFL players say 'No more' to domestic violence - ( New Window )
let's hope the comparisons between Cleveland  
ColHowPepper : 2/11/2019 6:40 pm : link
and NYG henceforth are on an ascendant track...btw, good summary
Joe Mixon  
Deejboy : 2/11/2019 7:02 pm : link
smashed a girl's head in and was still drafted in the 2nd round by the Bengals and led the AFC in rushing this year. Yet the NFL still claims to care about women. They only care about $$$$$.
Unfortunately..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2019 7:31 pm : link
there's no real downside for the Browns:

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this is great for the Browns
bluepepper : 2:51 pm : link : reply
except if Hunt has another incident with a woman then it's really going to hit the fan.


If the shit hits the fan, they cut him and take the high ground about taking swift action.
A very savy move by the Browns  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 2/11/2019 7:45 pm : link
They have been the taint of the NFL for so long that they don't give a shit about any PR backlash. It's low risk and high reward. If he fucks up, they cut him and pay lip service on how they gave him a chance. If he doesn't? They get a pro bowl talent to pair with Nick Chubb. Possibly have trade bait at some point as well.

Love the move.
Wasn't the woman  
Leg of Theismann : 2/11/2019 8:09 pm : link
verbally/physically threatening Hunt's girlfriend?

Agree with the poster earlier who said we need to do everything we can to protect women from being abused in society, but when a woman involves herself in a violent situation as an aggressor she has to expect there may be consequences to her actions. Women are human beings with free will just as much as men are and if they involve themselves in a violent situation and act violently they can't just expect zero repercussions. This woman was acting like a drunken imbecile, was disrespecting and attacking his girlfriend, and Hunt did nothing that would have caused any sort of visible or lasting physical injury. Not saying he "did the right thing" by any means but to take this one-time incident and ban him from football forever and label him a "woman-abuser" would be shortsighted IMO.

Not gonna lie regardless of if someone is a woman or a man if I feel they are putting my girlfriend in physical danger I can't say I would necessarily be a peaceful diplomat. If they're just attacking that's one thing but if a woman I love (girlfriend, sister, mother, whatever) is in danger I would probably act differently.
meant to say if they are attacking me*  
Leg of Theismann : 2/11/2019 8:10 pm : link
that's one thing, but if I would respond differently if I perceive that a woman I love is in danger somehow.
That video did not show a man trying to defend his loved one  
Mellowmood92 : 2/11/2019 8:59 pm : link
That video was an enraged man trying to attack or retaliate against a much smaller woman while his friends tried mightily to restrain him. Come on, the excuses in the discussion to justify his actions are fucking gross.

The NFL is a joke, they don’t give a shit about domestic violence or protecting women when there is money to be made. He wouldn’t be deserving or entitled to a ‘second chance’ if he were a 30 year old running back instead of a 22 year old.
The professional level  
anon837 : 2/11/2019 9:19 pm : link
is all about acquisition of talent. Be it NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL, you want the best of the best on your team. They figure he can help this team AND won't tear apart the locker room. The name of the game is racking up many more W's than L's. Hunt is talented and that is why he has, for the moment, been given another uniform.
RE: He's entitled to a 2nd chance  
PatersonPlank : 2/11/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14293447 AcesUp said:
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He's paid for an extremely ugly mistake by being fired and taking a lower level role with another company. That said, if there's another incident, he should have to find another career outside of the public eye.

Good move for both sides. It's actually a good spot, the Browns have a decent OL with a great interior. He can show out as the 1b in a committee and earn himself a nice, heavily incentivized, payday next year.


Nothing is ever enough for the social justice warriors
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christian : 2/11/2019 10:06 pm : link
He's certainly not entitled to anything -- but it's silly to think he wouldn't get a second chance.

A young and very talented player would need to do something much worse to not get anorher shot.

Hopefully the NFL suspends him for 8 games, and puts him on a zero-tolerance warning.

Letting him play again doesn't justify or make light of his actions. It means there's a significant, but not total price to pay for conduct.
RE: ...  
SterlingArcher : 2/11/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14293951 christian said:
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He's certainly not entitled to anything -- but it's silly to think he wouldn't get a second chance.

A young and very talented player would need to do something much worse to not get anorher shot.

Hopefully the NFL suspends him for 8 games, and puts him on a zero-tolerance warning.

Letting him play again doesn't justify or make light of his actions. It means there's a significant, but not total price to pay for conduct.
How about Ray Rice, did he deserve another chance?
RE: He's entitled to a 2nd chance  
SterlingArcher : 2/11/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14293447 AcesUp said:
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He's paid for an extremely ugly mistake by being fired and taking a lower level role with another company. That said, if there's another incident, he should have to find another career outside of the public eye.

Good move for both sides. It's actually a good spot, the Browns have a decent OL with a great interior. He can show out as the 1b in a committee and earn himself a nice, heavily incentivized, payday next year.
How about Ray Rice, did he deserve another chance?
RE: RE: He's entitled to a 2nd chance  
christian : 2/11/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14293962 SterlingArcher said:
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He's paid for an extremely ugly mistake by being fired and taking a lower level role with another company. That said, if there's another incident, he should have to find another career outside of the public eye.

Good move for both sides. It's actually a good spot, the Browns have a decent OL with a great interior. He can show out as the 1b in a committee and earn himself a nice, heavily incentivized, payday next year.

How about Ray Rice, did he deserve another chance?


Sure, why not?
The man was  
jtfuoco : 2/11/2019 11:03 pm : link
Never arrested or charged with a crime despite the police seeing the tape and conducting interviews. He absolutely deserves to play again he has already paid his price with the suspension and the lost of income and endorsements over this incident.
RE: RE: RE: Can't kneel in silent protest against violence.  
allstarjim : 2/11/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14293603 Ryan in Albany said:
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but sure as shit, you can kick a woman and get another chance. Lame.




Pretty sure you can kneel. Players have been doing it and playing for a long time now. In fact, CK has been offered deals. But surely you can draw relevant distinctions to on-field behavior in company uniform on national television every week to a one-time screw up (in which the perpetrator was released from employment and now has to meet a bunch of criteria to get another chance.



"screw up" lol JFC The guy kicked a woman. You NEVER do that. Period. Who the hell brought you up. She's as much to blame as Hunt. Holy shit. GTFO.


^^ fucking white knight here. I loathe violence against women. But anyone that says they wouldn't hit a woman is either a fool or a liar. You got a girl holding a knife on you? I'd kick her right in vageebs asap and with authority.

Some woman beating up my wife? I'd rag doll the hell out of her by her hair.

I'd never hit a lady, though. But a lady knows how to conduct herself.
jim is really earning that all-star designation  
Mad Mike : 2/11/2019 11:51 pm : link
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jim is the resident "shittiest person on the forum"  
adamg : 2/12/2019 12:11 am : link
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RE: jim is the resident  
allstarjim : 2/12/2019 2:02 am : link
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Adam is the resident biggest pussy here.
RE: jim is really earning that all-star designation  
allstarjim : 2/12/2019 2:09 am : link
In comment 14293986 Mad Mike said:
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I don't know why anyone would have a problem with what I said. Not a fan of violence against women. A man hitting a woman is no man without just cause. But you know why a woman attacks guys like Kareem Hunt? Because she's not afraid of getting hit back.

And even if I wouldn't do what Hunt did, I'm not going to villify the guy because if you're a woman and you get violent...then what happens next is on you.
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