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"A team source told SNY's Ralph Vacchiano that Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray is "probably a little too small" for the Giants.
The Giants "prefer to stick to the established measurables they have for a prototypical quarterback," Vacchiano notes. The Giants' organization emphasizes conventional wisdom and inside-the-box thinking, and they haven't started a quarterback that measures below 6-feet since 5-foot-11 Gary Wood went 0-6 in 1966. And "the philosophy hasn't changed all that much (in that over half-century timeframe)," Vacchiano confirms. 6-foot-3 Dwayne Haskins, 6-foot-4 Drew Lock, and 6-foot-5 Daniel Jones appear to be likelier candidates to succeed 6-foot-4 Eli Manning than 5-foot-9 Murray."
Source: SNY.com
Right now, the general consensus is that the only quarterbacks worthy of a first-round pick are Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins, Missouri's Drew Lock and maybe Duke's Daniel Jones. But there are three teams in the Top 10 that could be looking for a quarterback - the Giants (at 6), the Jaguars (7) and the Broncos (10) - and a few others who could trade up for a quarterback like the Dolphins (13) and Redskins (15).
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There may not be a team more in the box than Jints Central. They love their box. It's warm, comfortable and predictable. And I think this a large reason for the wild inconsistency the last 25+ years...
Thought crossed my mind too. Disinformation campaign.
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The Giants' organization emphasizes conventional wisdom and inside-the-box thinking
Ha, I thought the same thing when I read this.
I don't think so. Young and Accorsi made numerous public comments on team size requirements by position for premium picks. Given that Gettleman was raised in that Giants' culture, and his numerous old school type comments on personnel, I would be shocked to see the Giants break from their past.
Also, for years, there are those out there who insist the Giants are using disinformation because no team would be so public in voicing their pre-draft preferences. And every year, we find out that it was no smoke.
The most recent example was Barkley.
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Also, for years, there are those out there who insist the Giants are using disinformation because no team would be so public in voicing their pre-draft preferences. And every year, we find out that it was no smoke.
The most recent example was Barkley.
The Giants are just extremely predictable because of these requirements and what they look for. If the New York Post would let me write the same article, which is obvious to any Giants fan, all of a sudden I'm a journalist.
You really are embarrassing. I mean, this is Jints Central. "The Waltons" of the NFL...
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I don't think so. Young and Accorsi made numerous public comments on team size requirements by position for premium picks. Given that Gettleman was raised in that Giants' culture, and his numerous old school type comments on personnel, I would be shocked to see the Giants break from their past.
Agreed.
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You really are embarrassing. I mean, this is Jints Central. "The Waltons" of the NFL...
That's why it's perfect. Took 90 something years to spring this trap
And they qualified thet by saying "they think", obviously keenly aware that's 1 inch shorter than Drew Brees. They definitely see the whole picture.
And by not commenting on arm strength or mobility, the brain trust is playing this very close to the vest. No leaks, excpet for Ralph.
Very shrewd front office. Great story by Ralph
I'm wondering that myself. What is his job? Isn't he a Jets beat writer now? Why is he all of a sudden getting sources from the Giants to openly talk about a QB that could potentially be our pick?
Say what you want about the lack of smokescreens which I agree about but when have we ever openly discussed not having a player valued at a certain spot? I cannot remember a time. Gettleman was very openly gushing over Barkley but never discredited any of the QBs leading many to think we could be taking a QB last year. This sounds like bullshit RV to me.
This "report" doesn't mean anything.
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I don't think so. Young and Accorsi made numerous public comments on team size requirements by position for premium picks. Given that Gettleman was raised in that Giants' culture, and his numerous old school type comments on personnel, I would be shocked to see the Giants break from their past.
Agreed.
Seconded.
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Also, for years, there are those out there who insist the Giants are using disinformation because no team would be so public in voicing their pre-draft preferences. And every year, we find out that it was no smoke.
The most recent example was Barkley.
Yeah. I recall being one of the folks that thought all the Barkley talk was smoke.
Boy, was I ever wrong.
It seems that the Giants don't use smoke signals. Therefore, it is pretty safe to conclude that, when it comes to the Giants, where there is smoke there is fire.
For better or worse, this is an organization that will eliminate (or severely downgrade) guys due to physical or mental issues.
We don't know if they would completely erase Murray from their draftboard.
Look at Jesse Armstead. The Giants admitted they drafted him even due to his lack of size and previous injury history because they value was too great in the 8th round.
I would argue that most NFL teams don't see Murray as the #6 overall pick.
I agree with poster above - what grade did the Giants have on Mayfield? That would be telling.
Well to be fair, which team keeps hitting on QB after QB? The Packers had Favre (who they traded for) and then Rodgers. Who else seamlessly moved from one great QB to the next through the draft in the past 20 years or so?
People are going to keep telling this kid he's too small and he will continue to prove them wrong. He was too small to play QB in the first place, then went on to be (statistically speaking) the greatest high school football player in history. Then he was too small to play D1 football and he went on to win the Heisman trophy. Now he's too small to play in the NFL or be a top 10 pick. At what point are people going to stop doubting him and accept the fact he's an absolutely exceptional quarterback?
I would argue that most NFL teams don't see Murray as the #6 overall pick.
I agree with poster above - what grade did the Giants have on Mayfield? That would be telling.
For me that is the most frustrating part of the Giants and the current situation. If the Browns take Barkley at 1 they probably pass on a talent like Mayfield because of "character concerns" or his lack of "ideal" height. It's a wide open game. These height concerns really aren't what they used to be.
I don't think Murray's issue is height, he is less than an inch shorter than Wilson. It's hard to see him avoiding upperbody injuries at his size. Things like broken collar bones and shoulder injuries.
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is a quarterback with high measurable, height, arm strength and leadership. He also generally stunk to high heaven... Other than Phil Sims and Eli Manning (in the best quarterback class since '84), how has that 'winning formula' played out?
Well to be fair, which team keeps hitting on QB after QB? The Packers had Favre (who they traded for) and then Rodgers. Who else seamlessly moved from one great QB to the next through the draft in the past 20 years or so?
Manning and Luck?
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Thought crossed my mind too. Disinformation campaign.
Yes, the Giants as an organization and Dave Gettleman in particular are well known for their well-honed skills in subterfuge.
Right - no one was able to predict Barkley last year, or McCaffrey in Carolina the year before.
His interest in McCaffrey was so obvious and so well documented that even PFT questioned whether it was a smokescreen because no GM would be that transparent in telegraphing their pick.
There's a difference between reality and wishful thinking. DG's football acumen and talent appraisal skills may be outstanding, but there is nothing in his history to suggest that he's particularly good at hiding his intentions. But if you want to believe that he's good at that simply because he's not Jerry Reese, have at it.
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Before combine and taking a look at him up close. This can be a close minded organization lacking in innovation.
For better or worse, this is an organization that will eliminate (or severely downgrade) guys due to physical or mental issues.
We don't know if they would completely erase Murray from their draftboard.
Look at Jesse Armstead. The Giants admitted they drafted him even due to his lack of size and previous injury history because they value was too great in the 8th round.
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The Giants have used the same grading system since George Young took over and in that system, they would have a hard time giving Murray a high grade. the system is designed to prevent the team from being small--its all about size and speed.
I hate to say it, but too many signs point to Jones as a target.
Manning Camp guy, Cutcliffe, loves Eli, prototype size per the Jints Central box, etc.
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but the question is if Murray drops significantly and is at or in range of our second round pick, do we pass on him then? Say if he and Jones are on the board at the top of round 2, are we seriously going to pick Jones ahead of him? That would be tough to take.
I hate to say it, but too many signs point to Jones as a target.
Manning Camp guy, Cutcliffe, loves Eli, prototype size per the Jints Central box, etc.
Yup.
2/11/19, 4:24 PM
The Giants have used the same grading system since George Young took over and in that system, they would have a hard time giving Murray a high grade. the system is designed to prevent the team from being small--its all about size and speed.
Except for the fact that Gettleman said he changed a lot of stuff last year including how they evaluate and grade players. He said he stated that he learned some good things in Carolina and brought them over. He also said he was emphasizing more production than projection. So, that Lombardi tweet is bullshit to me. No offense defenderdawg. That isn't directed at you. I appreciate the info you bring.
If you read sources unaffiliated with the Giants you get the sense the way they are doing things isn't particularly well respected.
And they qualified thet by saying "they think", obviously keenly aware that's 1 inch shorter than Drew Brees. They definitely see the whole picture.
And by not commenting on arm strength or mobility, the brain trust is playing this very close to the vest. No leaks, excpet for Ralph.
Very shrewd front office. Great story by Ralph
He's 5'9