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ZGiants98 : 2/11/2019 6:55 pm
Pitchers and Catchers report tomorrow. Brodie interviewed tonight. Divulging info.

On McNeil:

Matt Ehalt
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Brodie on McNeil/outfield: “His focus in spring training is going to be a transition to the outfield because we think we can be a lethal lineup with a McNeil, Conforto, Nimmo outfield against right-handed pitching. "


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Maybe I'm misunderstanding how wRC works?  
Metnut : 2/12/2019 9:44 am : link
How can it be that hard to post a 104 wRC? Isn't that only 4% better than average? Shouldn't a bunch of guys by definition by above average?
RE: Maybe I'm misunderstanding how wRC works?  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14294280 Metnut said:
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How can it be that hard to post a 104 wRC? Isn't that only 4% better than average? Shouldn't a bunch of guys by definition by above average?


wRC+ normalizes for things such as ballpark factor. The complicated formula

"(((wRAA per PA + league runs per PA) + (league runs per PA - ballpark factor x league runs per PA) / league wRC per plate appearance, not including pitchers)) x 100."

Syracuse wasn't a Mets affiliate but using them as an example the Chiefs had 3 qualified hitters post a wRC+ of 100 or greater including ex-Met Matt Reynolds
Being optimistic re: Cespedes is just asking for a kick in the nuts  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 10:07 am : link
that's why even Jeff Wilpon isn't doing it. How many players have we seen have complications from major surgeries? Now add to the equation 2 major surgeries and a guy who has had all sorts of troubles staying healthy as he's aged the past few years.

On a scale of complicated procedures he's somewhere between TJ Rivera's supposedly standard TJS and David Wright's "can't even sit in the dugout" neck surgeries. That doesn't mean Cespedes can't come back sooner, but recent history tells us it'd be a fool's errand to try to predict his recovery even if he was only doing 1 simpler procedure, and not 2.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 10:44 am : link
Of course the Yankees are signing the #1 rated IFA prospect, shocker @fangraphs lol
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 10:53 am : link
Dan Szymborski: I’m very optimistic about Rosario
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Shecky : 2/12/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14294381 DanMetroMan said:
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Of course the Yankees are signing the #1 rated IFA prospect, shocker @fangraphs lol


Puason or Dominguez? Either way, nice move for Yanks
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14294395 Shecky said:
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In comment 14294381 DanMetroMan said:


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Of course the Yankees are signing the #1 rated IFA prospect, shocker @fangraphs lol



Puason or Dominguez? Either way, nice move for Yanks


Dominguez is expected to sign with the Yankees for about 5 million, Puason to Oakland. The Mets have been tied to Alexander Ramirez who is not considered one of the "top" names but may get 7 figures.
Uh oh  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:24 am : link
Martino: DeGrom won't discuss extension post opening day..may have self-imposed usage restrictions... I hope the second is Martino BS or here comes the circus..
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:24 am : link

Matt Ehalt
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Mets have yet to make offer to deGrom per a source. Degrom's side was told two months ago offer would come. Now, there's a deadline. There is some frustration building.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:33 am : link
Jeffrey Paternostro
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I suppose in hindsight it was foolish of anyone to think that this would be the one player they wouldn’t jerk around in this stuff.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:35 am : link

Jeffrey Paternostro
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I still expect this to get done but the fact that it will take brinksmanship through the papers is extremely Mets.
My guess is BVW is needs to wait until he's done signing players  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 11:36 am : link
to figure out contract structure because of the way the Wilpons do the budget. If he ends up spending more on someone like Gio this year, or even going multi-year, they adjust the JDG year 1 & 2 salaries and punt money to the future - just like the Cano deal.

There is no human on earth who knows what is going through JDG's head more than BVW, so there's zero chance he's genuinely misreading the situation. He's also not talking tough or anything, so I think it's just a stall tactic as he knows JDG is probably getting antsy, but the deal will happen before ST ends.
RE: My guess is BVW is needs to wait until he's done signing players  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14294440 Eric on Li said:
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to figure out contract structure because of the way the Wilpons do the budget. If he ends up spending more on someone like Gio this year, or even going multi-year, they adjust the JDG year 1 & 2 salaries and punt money to the future - just like the Cano deal.

There is no human on earth who knows what is going through JDG's head more than BVW, so there's zero chance he's genuinely misreading the situation. He's also not talking tough or anything, so I think it's just a stall tactic as he knows JDG is probably getting antsy, but the deal will happen before ST ends.


All due respect Eric but it sounds like DeGrom's camp is upset with the lack of movement. Why wouldn't Brodie be able to tell him exactly what you are saying if that's the case?
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:39 am : link
not buying it sorry. DeGrom would be upset if the Mets made him an offer but suggested year 1 might be structured X or Y depending on say Gio Gonzalez and this is why they are frustrated no offer has been made? Doesn't compute. If they were exchanging offers and the frustration was in said offer I'd agree.
This is an organizational hallmark for a reason  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14294439 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeffrey Paternostro
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I still expect this to get done but the fact that it will take brinksmanship through the papers is extremely Mets.


They don't operate with the financial flexibility they try to convey so things get messy. Like trying to qualify for a mortgage that's at the max someone can afford. Truth be told they may not even have enough money to even operate at the level they're at right now. Which is among the thousands of reasons the league should have forced them to divest or take on partners when the Madoff stuff happened.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:42 am : link
-Berry met with team COO Jeff Wilpon at the Winter Meetings to discuss deGrom’s future, but contract negotiations never gained traction, according to sources.

-DeGrom’s CAA agent, Jeff Berry, recently released a memo that outlined recourse for players who seek reform in free agency, following two historically slow markets. Among the ideas suggested by Berry was that pitchers could look to cap their workloads in a season to ensure their value remains at a higher level heading to free agency. And a source indicated deGrom could put such restrictions on himself if a new deal isn’t reached with the Mets.

-Now, under new representation, deGrom is attempting to put heat on the Mets by issuing the March 28 deadline to have a new contract in place or risk leaving a storm cloud lingering over the star pitcher as he embarks on a new season.-Puma


Does not at all sound like it's just a matter of seeing if they add a Gio type. Again, this would be easily communicated to DeGrom
RE: I'm still pessimistic on the pitching re depth  
Vanzetti : 2/12/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14293829 speedywheels said:
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Matz will surely take his annual trip (or two) to the DL. And though Wheeler had a great year, I'm still not sure he has put his annual DL trip(s) behind him. If one/both of those guys miss extended time, I'm not confident in any of the replacement candidates.

Same thing for the 'pen - if every one stays healthy, they should be OK.

Offense should be OK.


Mets should expect 30+ missed starts. They definitely need a sixth starter unles they have faith Gagnon, Oswald etc

I like Lowrie as a player but more of a luxury signing with McNeil being pushed into a utility role. Sixth starter is a need imo not a luxury signing
This  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:43 am : link
will be a full-on circus all season if DeGrom doesn't get his deal and caps his own innings. The fans will turn on their best player because the TEAM didn't do what they said. Best way for the bullpen to be strong... MORE usage. Best way for the Mets to have a good season "will they trade DeGrom?" talk..
RE: RE: My guess is BVW is needs to wait until he's done signing players  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14294442 DanMetroMan said:
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to figure out contract structure because of the way the Wilpons do the budget. If he ends up spending more on someone like Gio this year, or even going multi-year, they adjust the JDG year 1 & 2 salaries and punt money to the future - just like the Cano deal.

There is no human on earth who knows what is going through JDG's head more than BVW, so there's zero chance he's genuinely misreading the situation. He's also not talking tough or anything, so I think it's just a stall tactic as he knows JDG is probably getting antsy, but the deal will happen before ST ends.



All due respect Eric but it sounds like DeGrom's camp is upset with the lack of movement. Why wouldn't Brodie be able to tell him exactly what you are saying if that's the case?


a) we aren't even sure how much BVW is directly able to communicate with JDG because of the "recusal".
b) because the Wilpons are extremely tight lipped with all of their budgetary parameters and if the negotiations hit a snag at any point with JDG's camp or they wanted to play hard ball, it's something that could very easily find it's way into the press.

I'm all ears to other theories but I can't think of 1 where the Mets haven't even made an offer yet. The Wilpons tax refund coming out smaller than expected so they ran out of money? I mean, I just don't see how what was likely 1 of BVW's top goals from the outset could just completely go off track.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:48 am : link
Sherman said DeGrom flat out can talk to Brodie directly

#2 Why would that even matter? Jeff or Omar or whomever wouldn't be able to exchange basic outlines? or communicate "we got you, just figuring out 2019 payroll ramifications"? It's been 2 months (if you believe his camp) and nada. Brodie being able to talk to DeGrom directly (whether Sherman is right or not) is besides the point.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 11:50 am : link
Berry and Matt Ricatto met in Las Vegas with Jeff Wilpon and John Ricco, then the Mets’ assistant GM. Van Wagenen, because he had been deGrom’s agent, was recused from negotiating the NL Cy Young winner’s one-year arbitration contract. The Players Association told The Post that there is no restriction on Van Wagenen negotiating a long-term deal for deGrom with his former partners at CAA.


So 1. He's allowed to if you believe the PA (and they would be the ones to say otherwise) 2. Jeff and Ricco could have communicated (and still could) "hey man, I know it's been slow but there is a scenario where year 1 is X and it goes up or year one is Y" not radio silence.
RE: RE: I'm still pessimistic on the pitching re depth  
speedywheels : 2/12/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14294454 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14293829 speedywheels said:


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Matz will surely take his annual trip (or two) to the DL. And though Wheeler had a great year, I'm still not sure he has put his annual DL trip(s) behind him. If one/both of those guys miss extended time, I'm not confident in any of the replacement candidates.

Same thing for the 'pen - if every one stays healthy, they should be OK.

Offense should be OK.



Mets should expect 30+ missed starts. They definitely need a sixth starter unles they have faith Gagnon, Oswald etc

I like Lowrie as a player but more of a luxury signing with McNeil being pushed into a utility role. Sixth starter is a need imo not a luxury signing


I didn't even mention Thor and his annual trips to the DL, but yeah I can see the three of them missing 20+ starts (combined) pretty easily. Gio is no great shakes, but like him much more than Gagnon, etc.

Dan - the piece many are missing is this - JDG's mistrust isn't new  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 12:04 pm : link
the writers are acting surprised but it extends back several years with the organization and probably encompasses just about everyone in the org other than Brodie. He wanted an extension several years ago they said no. He (and BVW!) put out the press release 9 months ago ("sign me or trade me"). The Mets hire BVW, they express that resigning JDG is a top priority, and it seems like his prayers are answer.

It is completely understandable that his camp is antsy having not even received a contract offer.

The question is WHY haven't they even offered him a contract. That is the X in this equation. Unless BVW is completely FOS it's not for lack of desire. I don't think he's dumb enough to have made that a priority without having the financial means to do so. So what is the hold up on even extending an offer?
It’s real simple  
Shecky : 2/12/2019 12:08 pm : link
Ton sides are concerned about the current market. Why overpay in an evolving market? And as a player, wouldn’t you want an extension ASAP? Keuchel got them both wondering what to do, hence the frustration.
RE: It’s real simple  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14294490 Shecky said:
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Ton sides are concerned about the current market. Why overpay in an evolving market? And as a player, wouldn’t you want an extension ASAP? Keuchel got them both wondering what to do, hence the frustration.


Kershaw just received 3 years 93 million + incentives bumping the total over 100 million. Keuchel is nowhere near the pitcher DeGrom is and if you believe DeGrom nothing has been even discussed in 2 months. Communication skills continue to be terrible with this organization.
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 12:15 pm : link
I said, if DeGrom is "lying" that's one thing but all reports say nothing has been discussed since a meeting on 12/2 in Las Vegas where he was told an offer would be forthcoming.

"LAS VEGAS — Amid their scramble to find new players, the Mets found time Tuesday to begin discussions on securing their foundation.

According to an industry source, team officials convened with Jacob deGrom’s representatives at the winter meetings in the first step toward potentially locking up the ace right-hander to a long-term contract."

What is DeGrom supposed to do other than assume the worst?
JDG  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 12:16 pm : link
I’m sure Jake feels betrayed by not only the Mets but Brodie too. And I wouldn’t blame him one bit for capping his innings or being very cautious with any injury. Because the Mets sure as hell won’t make him whole if he gets hurt heading into FA.

Only the Mets could screw up this situation. This guy is a model teammate coming off a hostoric season and they hired his agent as GM. Yet they still jerk this guy around?

And how do fans make excuses for the Wilpons? Who are they saving this money for if they won’t pay him?
RE: JDG  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14294500 TyreeHelmet said:
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I’m sure Jake feels betrayed by not only the Mets but Brodie too. And I wouldn’t blame him one bit for capping his innings or being very cautious with any injury. Because the Mets sure as hell won’t make him whole if he gets hurt heading into FA.

Only the Mets could screw up this situation. This guy is a model teammate coming off a hostoric season and they hired his agent as GM. Yet they still jerk this guy around?


I think this is dead on - which again gets me to how or why this is happening. I don't doubt Shecky but the evolving market place seems like an odd excuse to me. Corbin signed 6/140m, and he's the better comp to JDG than Keuchel anyway. Carrasco may be an even better comp and he gave them an amazingly team friendly early extension comp.

I don't see why a slower market for Keuchel would stop progress entirely to the point of not making an offer. If they thought the market conditions were favorable, just make an offer more aggressively towards Carrasco vs. Corbin. Something in between those 2 ranges makes sense for both sides. Starting lower and disagreeing I get. Not even making an offer when it was 1 of your top priorities of the offseason is strange even by Met standards.
As much as things change, they still remain  
Shecky : 2/12/2019 1:22 pm : link
Black cloud follows the team on day one lol
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 1:35 pm : link
The Wilpons see Harper and Machado unlikely to get the money expected, they see Kimbrel unlikely to get the money expected etc so they are slowing down/not engaging because they are angling to hop on with DeGrom having to settle for less than anticipated. They know they don't "have to" speak to DeGrom at all. He's under contract. It's just a dirty way to handle your star player after telling him you would. You reportedly shop Thor and now this. What reason do the players have to trust them? Would you?
Dom  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 1:38 pm : link
looking good
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TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14294571 DanMetroMan said:
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The Wilpons see Harper and Machado unlikely to get the money expected, they see Kimbrel unlikely to get the money expected etc so they are slowing down/not engaging because they are angling to hop on with DeGrom having to settle for less than anticipated. They know they don't "have to" speak to DeGrom at all. He's under contract. It's just a dirty way to handle your star player after telling him you would. You reportedly shop Thor and now this. What reason do the players have to trust them? Would you?


And this takes a toll on these players. They are human beings and not robots. Of all people, you think Brodie would have understood the importance of getting this done. It's one thing to negotiate on a fair deal. It's another thing to lie to your star player and not even make an offer.
Brodie’s going to speak about it  
Shecky : 2/12/2019 1:51 pm : link
I think it just kinda b,ew up, since everyone’s looking for a story together tkday
BVW saying their timelines are in sync (deal before season)  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 1:56 pm : link
would seem to indicate they are just waiting on something to eventually make their offer. I guess it's just waiting to see how the rest of the FA class does? Good job by BVW coming out and not letting the drama continue to build.
Here's the bvw quote  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 2:00 pm : link
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Brodie: “this concept of an opening day deadline for contract discussions is a mutual understanding. There is no reason for a distraction to carry into the regular season and we will continue to have dialogue over the course of this spring and see where those discussions lead."
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
writers are telling another story and even BVW now makes it sounds like it's not a lock they do a deal.

"Mike Puma
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Van Wagenen: "From my standpoint, Jacob, we care about him and he knows we care about him. He knows how important he is to the organization and it will be my job to make sure there is no strained relationship no matter what takes place.""
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 3:20 pm : link
Matt Ehalt
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Should be noted Mets gave deGrom largest raise in arbitration history. That was a goodwill gesture. But, they told deGrom's side there would be an offer, and camp has started and there's nothing.

He also confirmed Joel Sherman's blurb, does not have to recuse himself from contract talks. Would be directly involved
I can't help remembering when Spano "owned" the islanders  
Eric on Li : 2/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
and kept telling creditors "the checks were coming" and then the checks arrived multiple multiple zeros off.
The  
mitch300 : 2/12/2019 3:51 pm : link
Mets have him locked up for two more years. Why not just wait. Your gonna give a long term contract to a pitcher who had TJ surgery before you have to. He will be 32 when he becomes a free agent.
RE: The  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14294699 mitch300 said:
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Mets have him locked up for two more years. Why not just wait. Your gonna give a long term contract to a pitcher who had TJ surgery before you have to. He will be 32 when he becomes a free agent.


Here is his agent in July-

"That being said.... July

“We have discussed Jacob’s future with the Mets at length. Jacob has expressed interest in exploring a long-term partnership that would keep him in a Mets uniform for years to come...

If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now. The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”

Brodie is that egg scrambled or once over easy?... whoops his agent in July... Brodie
Jay Jaffe on fangraphs has  
Metnut : 2/12/2019 5:00 pm : link
Buckholz best fit as being our NY Mets:

Clay Buchholz: Mets
Limited to just two starts in 2017 due to a partially torn flexor pronator mass, the 34-year-old Buchholz is still without a 30-start campaign to his name despite spending the better part of 12 seasons in the majors. Last year, after opting out of a minor league deal with the Royals, Buchholz resurfaced with the D-backs and assembled a half-season performance not unlike his tantalizing 2013 and ’15 ones: 16 starts, 98.1 innings, 15.0% K-BB%, with a 2.01 ERA and a 3.47 FIP. Alas, he suffered another flexor strain on September 13, and he was shut down for the year after receiving a platelet-rich plasma injection.



Obviously, Buchholz isn’t going to provide anyone with 200 innings, but he’s capable of being an average-or-better starter if healthy, and thus rates as being worth a flier. He was in contact with the Rangers earlier this winter, but no deal panned out. To these eyes, he’d make more sense for a contender like the Mets — and with 85 projected wins, it’s fair to call them that. On the strength of a front four of Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz, and Zack Wheeler, their rotation is projected to be the majors’ seventh-best, but while that group was healthy enough to combine for 116 starts last year, it’s worth remembering that in 2017, they were available for just 68. What’s more, their fifth starter right now remains Jason Vargas, who was torched for a 5.77 ERA and a 5.02 FIP in 20 starts last year. Even if he can’t match last season’s performance, Buchholz should be able to outdo whatever Vargas and nominal sixth starter Hector Santiago can provide, without breaking the bank.


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I've  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 5:04 pm : link
been pushing for Buchholz
Dan, if we were to add Buchholz  
CMicks3110 : 2/12/2019 10:38 pm : link
do you see him as the 5th starter, or long man, or somewhere in between with Vargas.

Personally, and I've been thinking about this a decent amount, I might be more open to adding another reliever and moving Lugo into the rotation.

Lugo, in my opinion, has #3 starter upside and really lengthens out the rotation. Why not add someone like Warren or Madsen, move Lugo to rotation.

I wonder if there might be a trade target for a set-up man, I know it might be pricey, but would love to grab Leclerc from Texas. I know Brodie had talks back at the winter meetings with the Rangers. I wonder if we could package something for him.
RE: Dan, if we were to add Buchholz  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14295017 CMicks3110 said:
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do you see him as the 5th starter, or long man, or somewhere in between with Vargas.

Personally, and I've been thinking about this a decent amount, I might be more open to adding another reliever and moving Lugo into the rotation.

Lugo, in my opinion, has #3 starter upside and really lengthens out the rotation. Why not add someone like Warren or Madsen, move Lugo to rotation.

I wonder if there might be a trade target for a set-up man, I know it might be pricey, but would love to grab Leclerc from Texas. I know Brodie had talks back at the winter meetings with the Rangers. I wonder if we could package something for him.


I'd be all about Lugo in the rotatiom but if not yeah i'd give Buchholtz first shot. His cutter was dominant last year.
I could care less about the deGrom negotiations  
ZGiants98 : 2/12/2019 10:48 pm : link
Mets are in the drivers seat. deGrom will be a 33 year old free agent and its not like he's in the last year of control even yet. The deGrom deal almost certainly ends up a bad one for the Mets anyway. I personally would wrap up Syndergaard long term before I worried about deGrom.

That said this is all posturing and the deGrom deal gets done this spring. 99% chance.

So this is going back to Cespedes  
bhill410 : 2/13/2019 6:45 am : link
I posted this last summer but essentially same as what Shecky posted. One of my best friends is an ortho surgeon who has done multiple surgeries on that level of athlete (will not get more specific than that), but essentially said removing the Achilles to remove the calcification is fairly serious especially if they are doing both but that 8-10 months is too long. Had it closer to 5-6.

That is why the notion that cespedes will be out all year is only accurate if cespedes wants it to be accurate. The other thing to consider is that insurance isn’t going to pay if someone is medically cleared but trying to game the system. So there are factors at play for multiple parties.
And I take the same stance as Z and Shecky  
bhill410 : 2/13/2019 6:56 am : link
That unless there was some crazy abnormality in that surgery there is no medical reason why he couldn’t be ready by April May. After Conforto last year + Cespedes’s unique personality you get the conservative timeline of all star break to the vagaries of all season. The Mets clearly don’t know what to expect from him emotionally and want to maintain a consistent record for insurance purposes when/if his questionable work ethic arises. For purposes of discussing from a fans perspective it means nothing because there is an enormous gradient of outcomes, but know that a July or all season outcome is not supported by the medical community
I actually had the surgery done  
csb : 2/13/2019 8:55 am : link
I had these bone spurs from hockey skates; I had the surgery in early May and was able to play again in September for training camp. Granted, I was 18 years old and heal quicker than a 30 year old, but I was shocked to hear the 10-12 months. I get that the Achilles needs more time to heal for running than for skating, however 3-5 months would seem reasonable to me.
In matters of money and contracts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 8:59 am : link
there's really no justifiable reason to give the Mets the benefit of the doubt.
RE: And I take the same stance as Z and Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14295095 bhill410 said:
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That unless there was some crazy abnormality in that surgery there is no medical reason why he couldn’t be ready by April May. After Conforto last year + Cespedes’s unique personality you get the conservative timeline of all star break to the vagaries of all season. The Mets clearly don’t know what to expect from him emotionally and want to maintain a consistent record for insurance purposes when/if his questionable work ethic arises. For purposes of discussing from a fans perspective it means nothing because there is an enormous gradient of outcomes, but know that a July or all season outcome is not supported by the medical community


He's not going to be back in April or May. I'm so positive of this fact, I will not post on a single Mets thread all season of Yoenis Cespedes is playing for the Mets before June 1st. It's not happening.
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