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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 7:04 pm
10-45 NY vs. 11-45 Cleveland. FEEELLLLL THEEEEEE EXCITTTTEEEEEMENNNTTTTT!

As usual, please lose. Lose. Lose.
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RE: It's not like the Knicks are non-competitive.  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14294007 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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They've lost a bunch of close games, which is to be expected when they're playing a bunch of kids and young, unproven players.

Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.


The Knicks are -9.0 in point differential, 3rd worst in the league. Over the past 3 seasons the Knicks would be the 4th worst mark. So they have been legit bad.
RE: If you had Kyrie and KD  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14294227 Carl in CT said:
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And Jordan took the MLE. Zion would perfect. A more athletic Anthony Mason and a rebounder like Rodman who can score fits right in as a third option. We can only dream. Imagine if someone gets him on a weight program and losses some baby fat?


He pretty clearly can still drop 10-15 pounds just from natural maturity. Guy is an absolute freak any way you slice it.
Zion  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 10:00 am : link
Not exactly going out on a limb, but I love him as a NBA prospect. I know its college, but he absolutely moves bodies, has great feet, and can jump out of the gym. I actually think he complements Durant really well ( most players do). But I do think his strengths line up well with Durant.

If the Knicks land the top pick, and have Durant and another max FA- I'm keeping Zion. It would also be nice to have a young player for the future to play with the 2 vets.

And Charles Barkley in his prime would be great in this NBA. He might even be better...
RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/12/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14293952 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...


I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
RE: RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14294350 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...




I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.


Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...

When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...

You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...

I almost think Zion  
Carl in CT : 2/12/2019 11:11 am : link
And a couple #1ís is all we would need. (Not all our young guys) as he is getting so much hype for Davis. The ďBig ThreeĒ would have to get creative on the $ís. If there is a will there is a way. BTW whose good at Ping Pong here? Can you make a ball lighter so it shoots to the top faster?
Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Anakim : 2/12/2019 11:28 am : link
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


1 through 3 i am good, knicks get 4 or 5 and all this tanking was for nothing unless they trade the pick for a useful piece
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 11:42 am : link
I really hope Phoenix or Cleveland don't win the lottery again. I think the NBA should really look at enacting a rule excluding teams that are consistently at the top of the lottery from winning it consecutive years. Or atleast limited how many times they can win over a course of time.

This would be Clevelands 4th time winning it since 2011 and 5th since 2003. And this will be Phoenix's 5th consecutive year selecting in the top 5.

There are some crazy scenarios with this lottery. Imagine if Dallas wins the lottery? That would be a hard pill to swallow? Or the Lakers?
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Really : 2/12/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


Completely agree.

Barrett looked good against UVA, not sure when and why the consensus seems to favor Morant.
Is a big three really needed?  
#10* : 2/12/2019 3:02 pm : link
More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.

Zion is a willing ball mover.

Barrett seems to look for his own offense.

Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.

Looks like a two pony race to me.

RE: Is a big three really needed?  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14294651 #10* said:
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More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.

Zion is a willing ball mover.

Barrett seems to look for his own offense.

Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.

Looks like a two pony race to me.


Ja Morant may be better than anyone not named Zion
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


Basically 1 in 7 chance for each of top 3 worst records. Not high odds.
Zion  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 3:47 pm : link
my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Garland would definitely be in my top five.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:52 pm : link
I think he'll be an excellent pro - can break down defenses and has NBA 3PT range.
RE: Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14294696 DanMetroMan said:
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol


Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
The kind of crazy thing happening with the Knicks right now  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 3:54 pm : link
I don't think this will sway KD one way or the other but I think by far the most exciting player on the Knicks to come play with is Robinson.

He needs to add bulk and endurance but he is the perfect teammate for a guy like Durant. Great help defender. Ridiculous range on alley oops. Crashes the boards like a mad man. Does not need the ball and shoots at a really high %. And maybe the most of all, he can switch to 2-5 probably a lot of 1's too.
I wish there was a sharpshooter anywhere near the top of this draft.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:56 pm : link
I'd take him and run, especially if the free agency rumors are true. A JJ Redick type would be great.
Yeah, Mitchell Robinson can be a monster.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
You can tell who wants to fight for rebounds and who doesn't, and he does. Once he gets stronger he's gonna clean up the boards AND block everything in sight. I agree he's a huge weapon on a talented team.
RE: RE: Zion  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol



Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.


I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
I think it's a team construction thing too  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
if we think we will and end up signing a few stars a guy like Culver is probably better on that team than Barrett.

If we are doing a tank / multi year build it might be Bol Bol over Culver.

Obviously we won't know 100% at the draft but the way these things work now I think we will "know"
Bol Bol, another really tall guy with a major foot injury?  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2019 4:13 pm : link
I'd stay away.
I'm thinking about it purely from a tank purpose  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 4:18 pm : link
if you are the 4th or 5th pick best thing to do is maximize upside and minimize contribution. A guy like Culver is not who you want for tanking.
This is where i wish the draft  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 4:28 pm : link
was after free agency...
Draft  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
To me there are some serious steep drop offs in this draft. After Zion for sure, and after Morant/ Barrett I think it falls off a cliff.

If the Knicks end up at 4 or 5, I'm trading that pick for the best vet available. Probably even doing it if it falls 2nd or 3rd...
RE: RE: RE: Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 5:18 pm : link
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol



Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.



I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.


So in terms of ridiculous upside and at least a pretty good chance to get there looks like Zion, Morant and then Barett. After that it gets iffy. If we get past 5 ....we have a higher chance for top 2 vs. top 3 or 4
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 5:20 pm : link
Hard to really disagree with anything @ReggieMillerTNT said here
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Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 5:37 pm : link
If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.
I like Reddish more than most here.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2019 5:37 pm : link
I think he'd actually be an excellent fit next to Kyrie and KD. His shot is a lot better than the percentages show. I think his issue has been finding rhythm in an offense where he's basically the 4th option.

It says a lot that when Coach K had to draw up a play at the end of the FSU game, it was for Reddish and he drilled it.
RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14294807 bceagle05 said:
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.


I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman
I want my 2/3 to be able to get to the basket. Barrett scores mostly  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/12/2019 6:31 pm : link
from mid-range and 3ís. When he does drive, he often has to push off with his right and settle with that little banker going away from the basket. He is not a plus plus athlete, and is already more polished than most due to his upbringing (son of Rowan Barrett), so I donít know if there is as much projection left with him.

Still a very good prospect, but definitely #3 in my book. Kevin Porter Jr. finally got back to playing, I still like his upside despite how this year has turned out.
RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
Strahan91 : 2/12/2019 6:33 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman

My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July
RE: RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 6:42 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman


My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July


Kleinman would know hr has 1 job at roc nation at that is kevin durant, they are friends, his business manager, agent and business partner...

Plus them opening up an office in new york is a very good sign, i checked they are moving from california to new york
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
Strahan91 : 2/12/2019 6:58 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman


My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July



Kleinman would know hr has 1 job at roc nation at that is kevin durant, they are friends, his business manager, agent and business partner...

Plus them opening up an office in new york is a very good sign, i checked they are moving from california to new york

I highly doubt they would commit outright given the repercussions for doing so if the league ever found out. On the business move, it's a very positive sign but there are certainly other factors at play. They're focusing on a lot of media related stuff at the moment and Roc Nation is NY based, not to mention Kleiman is here much of the time.

I'm as hopeful and optimistic as anyone but we're still the Knicks and Mills is still Mills so until the contract is signed there will be anxiety (from me at least). I'm a little scarred from the whole Lebron saga in 2010. I thought it was a done deal after they announced he'd be announcing his decision in Greenwich of all places.
Ckmpletely fair  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 7:02 pm : link
i am definitely more confident now than before the trade, i thought zero chance he comes before the trade...
so do we want warriors to lose  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 8:22 pm : link
or is he more likely to leave if they win their 3rd straight?
RE: so do we want warriors to lose  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14294911 nygiants16 said:
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or is he more likely to leave if they win their 3rd straight?


IMO losing would be better. Harder for him to leave if he thinks they could reel off a record number in a row
Duke/Louisville  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 9:10 pm : link
coming up on ESPN.
Scott Perry has a preexisting relationship with Durant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 6:56 am : link
As well. He was the Assistant GM for the Sonics when they drafted Durant.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2019 12:37 pm : link
actually think Durant knows where he will be next year. Maybe there are factors that change his decision aka maybe he's coming here IF a second guy is committed to joining him etc. But in his head I think he knows where he will be.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14295534 DanMetroMan said:
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actually think Durant knows where he will be next year. Maybe there are factors that change his decision aka maybe he's coming here IF a second guy is committed to joining him etc. But in his head I think he knows where he will be.


i said this before he absolutely knows what he is doing, i think he has known since the start of the season
Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 1:08 pm : link
Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run
RE: Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14295606 nygiants16 said:
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Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run


Writers need to post content every day. Even if it's shit.
RE: RE: Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
NoGainDayne : 2/13/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14295622 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run



Writers need to post content every day. Even if it's shit.


I think literally any other cities writers could complain about tanking and i'd be fine. What an idiot.
RE: RE: RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 1:17 pm : link
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...




I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.



Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...

When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...

You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...


That's one way to do it, sure. They also have the opportunity to build lasting success beyond the KD years by, when you have young, cheap talent, top of the draft talent in hand, holding on to it. I want KD here, who wouldn't? I'd also like to be able to be a strong team for more than just the 4-5 years he's in a Knicks uniform.
ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 1:27 pm : link
that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3
RE: ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
adamg : 2/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14295664 nygiants16 said:
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that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3


Realistically who would they have to give up to get AD? Would they be able to keep DSJ or M Rob? How many lotto tickets does AD cost?
I love Zion as a prospect  
Strahan91 : 2/13/2019 2:43 pm : link
and I think he's going to be a stud. I'd love to keep him if we won the lottery. With that being said, it could come down to this. Win 1 championship and have a competitive window for 4-5 years or being competitive over a longer period of time but maybe never winning it all. Given what we've been through as Knick fans, I'm going for that 1 ring at all costs. Still, I wouldn't complain if they decided to keep Zion (if they won the lottery of course). If they pick 2-5, I'm all for trading it as long as KD is coming.
Chris Broussard said  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/13/2019 2:54 pm : link
that moving Zion (if it were him) for AD would be dependent on whether that's a requirement for KD and Kyrie to join the team. If not, then they would keep Zion.
RE: RE: ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
blueblood : 2/13/2019 3:07 pm : link
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that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3



Realistically who would they have to give up to get AD? Would they be able to keep DSJ or M Rob? How many lotto tickets does AD cost?


They would have to give up quite a bit because they would have to make the salaries match. So probably DSJ, Knox, the Number one pick and someone else too.
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