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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 7:04 pm
10-45 NY vs. 11-45 Cleveland. FEEELLLLL THEEEEEE EXCITTTTEEEEEMENNNTTTTT!

As usual, please lose. Lose. Lose.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 7:07 pm : link
Lol, Knicks players talking about this as a "big game" that they "need to win"

Okayyyy.
Tank season baby  
adamg : 2/11/2019 7:14 pm : link
Let's get the L.
This one's for all the marbles.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 7:16 pm : link
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It would be kind of dumb to win this.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 7:35 pm : link
Wind up with the second-worst record and wind up with the 6th pick.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
I trust the tank master to ensure we rack up another L.
Holy shit. Mario with a tomahawk!  
Beezer : 2/11/2019 7:45 pm : link

Best part? Jordan celebrating on the bench.

Man, I hope they can somehow get their two max players then still figure a way to sign Jordan. Great teammate. Not a shabby rim defender still.
Jordan  
TommyWiseau : 2/11/2019 7:50 pm : link
is good for the kids, I hope IF we land KD in the offseason and another big star that we can find a way to keep him. With that being said, lose lose lose
Amazing how Jordan improved his FT shooting  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 7:50 pm : link
by asking teammates "who ya got" on the box out. Sports are funny sometimes.
Robinson looks like our best young player right now.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 7:51 pm : link
Can't wait to see him next season.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 7:57 pm : link
Mitch Rob was quite a find. And DJ is a great guy for him to learn from. They play similar games. I'd love to have DJ stick around after this year if we can make it work.
If Hezonja could only  
chopperhatch : 2/11/2019 8:03 pm : link
develop some consistency from 3....like lethal consistency, he would be such a nice asset off the bench once we get our 2 max guys and hopefully Zion/Morant. Having a 3 point assassin who can throw a ball fake and handle the ball and take it to the hoop is a rare commodity.
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robbieballs2003 : 2/11/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14293812 arcarsenal said:
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Mitch Rob was quite a find. And DJ is a great guy for him to learn from. They play similar games. I'd love to have DJ stick around after this year if we can make it work.


If the NBA redid the 2018 draft is Mitch Robinson a lottery pick? He has to be, right?
Down 15 @ half...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:06 pm : link
Excellent.
You can not tell me  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:07 pm : link
Fiz is not coaching to lose..

Smith scores on the fastbreak, takes him out...

Robjnson playing well takes him out..

Hezonja was playing well takes him out..

Vonleh and Knox allowed to shoot brick after brick
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14293815 robbieballs2003 said:
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Mitch Rob was quite a find. And DJ is a great guy for him to learn from. They play similar games. I'd love to have DJ stick around after this year if we can make it work.



If the NBA redid the 2018 draft is Mitch Robinson a lottery pick? He has to be, right?


Not sure if he'd go that high, but in the 15-20 range, absolutely.

Outstanding pick considering where we got him - would have been a good pick regardless. He definitely brings something to this team and can be a part of the solution.
2018 NBA Draft appears to be a good one...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:10 pm : link
But I think he'd be a lottery pick. Jerome Robinson...meh. Porter Jr. hasn't even played.
Put knox on the bench  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:25 pm : link
I have never seen someone play so lackadasical, dude misses a shot and it effects his entire game
Durant moves his startup company " thirty five ventures"  
Canton : 2/11/2019 8:36 pm : link
that invests in technology companies...


To NEW YORK CITY..

OK. let's overreact.
He's coming.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:38 pm : link
I've thought it for awhile now. I think NYK know it too.

Imagine come next October, we got KD, AD, & Kyrie. Please call the medics because there's a good chance I'm going to faint.
Hate to pick on Frank  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 8:41 pm : link
but Kadeem Allen is a better player.
trier has had flashes  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:44 pm : link
but man does he chuck
RE: Hate to pick on Frank  
Jon in NYC : 2/11/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14293859 bceagle05 said:
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but Kadeem Allen is a better player.


He's also 6 years older.
RE: Durant moves his startup company  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14293855 Canton said:
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that invests in technology companies...


To NEW YORK CITY..

OK. let's overreact.


His companies have always been based in new york...

His manager and agent is based in new york
RE: Hate to pick on Frank  
robbieballs2003 : 2/11/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14293859 bceagle05 said:
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but Kadeem Allen is a better player.


Probably but he is 26. Frank is young so I would hope Allen is at this point. But, yes, Frank has disappointed so far. My problem with Frank is simple, he plays slow. Is it a mental thing? Is he thinking too much that he isn't playing fast? There are times when he looks sluggish out there like he doesn't trust himself. There are other times when you see he is way faster/quicker than he seems because he has shown flashes of his AA.
Oh please  
idiotsavant : 2/11/2019 8:49 pm : link
Knicks could easily actually try to win, coaching and etc , and still loose.

Show me...that...

Doing actual tank moves seems a bit weak at this point.

Show us something...
as much as it is better for the Knicks to lose  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 8:51 pm : link
it is still painful to watch
Maybe Frank likes to play actual rational games  
idiotsavant : 2/11/2019 8:52 pm : link
With players that space the floor and pass and defend and shit.

Could be he becomes a glue player, a role player, of sorts, if and when.
if fiz is not tanking  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 8:54 pm : link
then he is a horrible coach
RE: as much as it is better for the Knicks to lose  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14293873 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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it is still painful to watch


Eh. In the NBA, I'd rather be horrible with the chance to get a high pick & have max $$$ than be a 7-8 seed with no $ going nowhere. The Knicks are in the latter. This summer is obviously pivotal. No sugarcoating it.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 8:55 pm : link
the former, not latter.
The Kadeem and Dennis backcourt  
Earl the goat : 2/11/2019 9:04 pm : link
Might be very interesting for the next 10 weeks
Questioning Fizz’s move  
Earl the goat : 2/11/2019 9:07 pm : link
Taken out Jenkins for Knox
this has to be the dumbest team on the planet  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:07 pm : link
you are taugh the very first day of basketball do not leave the ball
This Years Draft  
Samiam : 2/11/2019 9:10 pm : link
Does it matter in the draft order if the Knicks have the worst record as opposed to the 2nd worst or the 3rd worst? Do they all have the same chance of getting the top pick?
RE: this has to be the dumbest team on the planet  
ChaChing : 2/11/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14293892 nygiants16 said:
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you are taugh the very first day of basketball do not leave the ball

Agreed about the stupidity, but in today's NBA there seems to be a lot of this. Avg bball IQ on D is awful. Not to say there aren't good defenders, but yeah - KA is a solid defender yet just did that? WTF?
RE: This Years Draft  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14293893 Samiam said:
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Does it matter in the draft order if the Knicks have the worst record as opposed to the 2nd worst or the 3rd worst? Do they all have the same chance of getting the top pick?
The downside risk is different. IE much higher chance of having the 5th, 6th or 7th pick depending.
This is a blooper reel.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 9:14 pm : link
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If we suffer through this season  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:16 pm : link
and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan
RE: If we suffer through this season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14293901 nygiants16 said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan
The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....
RE: RE: If we suffer through this season  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14293902 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan

The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....


48 percent chance to get 4th
the third worse team  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
has a 27% of getting the 6th or 7th. Odds for the worst teams aren't that great.
RE: RE: RE: If we suffer through this season  
Earl the goat : 2/11/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14293903 nygiants16 said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan

The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....



48 percent chance to get 4th


Correct. Guaranteed not to pick 5 if you have the worst record
Delly tried to give this one to us.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2019 9:22 pm : link
Sorry, Matthew.
RE: RE: RE: If we suffer through this season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/11/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14293903 nygiants16 said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan

The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....



48 percent chance to get 4th
Nope, 5th
Scroll down - ( New Window )
There is a 78% chance I stop watching the Knicks this year  
GiantsUA : 2/11/2019 9:22 pm : link
but.... I keep getting pulled back in
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we suffer through this season  
moze1021 : 2/11/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14293907 Earl the goat said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan

The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....



48 percent chance to get 4th



Correct. Guaranteed not to pick 5 if you have the worst record


Incorrect. The top 4 picks are lottery now. You can have worst record and drop to 5.

But it's better than dropping to 6 or 7!! Huge loss tonight!!
Pick odds  
moze1021 : 2/11/2019 9:24 pm : link
To just put it to rest easily..
http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds - ( New Window )
I know I know. The tank.  
Beezer : 2/11/2019 9:25 pm : link
Really was rooting hard at the end there. Dammit!!!! A win would feel good. Even if for a minute.
I can't help but think  
ChaChing : 2/11/2019 9:25 pm : link
of course the Knicks first year in ages being in the running for #1 is the first year for this new rule giving them less chance than prior years

I can't root for an L but any W especially against the teams we're racing is huge given 3 teams have no more than 11 Ws and Chi has 13 atm. Even tho we'd have a better chance at #1 from the 4 or 5 than prior years, it would still be nice to have the best shot going in
This is a week draft from all I've read...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2019 9:26 pm : link
And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?
I'm sticking with my current view which is --  
GeofromNJ : 2/11/2019 9:27 pm : link
the Knicks will not win another game this year. And the way their draft luck runs, the Cavs will get the first overall pick.
It is funny though.  
moze1021 : 2/11/2019 9:27 pm : link
That the Knicks finally learned how to tank after all these years and it's the first year where tanking has been neutered a bit
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we suffer through this season  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14293909 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan

The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....



48 percent chance to get 4th

Nope, 5th Scroll down - ( New Window )


yeah i am wrong, i thought it was 4th
RE: This is a week draft from all I've read...  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14293917 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?


i am trading the pick no matter where i land and i think the kjicks will too
Too early for media conclusion on what's in the draft.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/11/2019 9:30 pm : link
Anything they say now will get turned on it's head by march madness.
I dont care who they add next year  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:35 pm : link
they better add shooting
Good showing for Kadeem Allen  
shyster : 2/11/2019 9:39 pm : link
He may be the Arizona SG the Knicks wind up keeping for next year.
RE: This is a week draft from all I've read...  
arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14293917 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?


I've said similar - Zion is going to be a tough fit on the NBA floor. He has a very unique build. He's like a brick.

He's like a more athletic Barkley - but Chuck played in a different era and I don't think he'd fit on the floor quite as well in 2019 as he did back in the 90's.

Barrett seems like a more pro-ready fit with a higher floor.

I initially thought Reddish was going to project the best of the 3 - but he's not having a good year, is a complete non factor on the boards and isn't shooting well at all. So, I've soured on him a bit.

Morant is probably the 3rd guy in the top 3 right now ahead of Reddish... at least I think so.
With Zion he is box office  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 9:54 pm : link
I think that is the main reason he goes 1, i dknt think you cannput him on a team and say carry it...

He will get you 15 to 17 points, 10 boards, some blocks and highlight dunks but until he gets a consistent shot he will not be a player that carries team...

and i am not saying he cant develop that shot
RE: This is a week draft from all I've read...  
RAIN : 2/11/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14293917 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?


Both guys translate.. Barrett is 1a, and was the consensus #1 in this year's class. Zion, is very good defensively, and is a true two way player that has intangibles and marketability that are very attractive. I will be happy if we get a pick in the top three and get a shot at Barrett, Zion, and Morant.

I think thereis a drop off after that with Reddish and others. More development will happen and the class will rise a bit.. But I'm really hoping the lottery smiles on us, and we have an opportunity to draft a potential franchise player to pair with two max guys.
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arcarsenal : 2/11/2019 9:57 pm : link
If Zion develops a passable midrange game, he will be exponentially better. He needs to prove he can challenge you outside the paint since he won't be able to just impose his will on NBA bigs like he's doing now.

I agree he can be a really nice piece as long as you don't ask him to be "the guy" - but it's going to be very important to keep him lean. I could see him being the type of guy who has trouble with weight and keeping it off which will really sap his athleticism and hurt his game.

The upside is too big for me to pass... but part of me hopes we get the 2nd pick and someone just makes the decision for us.

Take whichever of Zion/Barrett is left.
I think it is pointless to debate  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2019 10:08 pm : link
Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...

RE: If we suffer through this season  
djm : 2/11/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14293901 nygiants16 said:
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan


I keep saying it, just prepare for the worst. Then hope for the summer slam. you will be skipping around on cloud nine with that 5th pick if we nab Durant and Irvin. Chin up, the long dark nightmare is almost over.
RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
adamg : 2/11/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14293952 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...
Durant, Klay, and AD.

Which pieces would we still have to complement them? DSJ? Mitch?
Would it be in the ballpark  
Beezer : 2/11/2019 11:27 pm : link
to suppose that Zion might end up being the Anthony Mason on a Knicks team in 2019 with a small handful of stars?
It's not like the Knicks are non-competitive.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2019 1:04 am : link
They've lost a bunch of close games, which is to be expected when they're playing a bunch of kids and young, unproven players.

Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.
26 more games  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 8:26 am : link
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RE: Would it be in the ballpark  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14293981 Beezer said:
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to suppose that Zion might end up being the Anthony Mason on a Knicks team in 2019 with a small handful of stars?


I love Mace but that's a ludicrous comparison. Williamson has him by about 30 pounds and is much quicker and bouncier.
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Heisenberg : 2/12/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14294190 Greg from LI said:
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to suppose that Zion might end up being the Anthony Mason on a Knicks team in 2019 with a small handful of stars?



I love Mace but that's a ludicrous comparison. Williamson has him by about 30 pounds and is much quicker and bouncier.


I think Luke Kornet could have out jumped Anthony Mason, meanwhile Zion nearly knocked himself out by hitting his head on the backboard.

But, I think Zion would actually be a good complimentary player to any group of more experience players/stars as he builds his NBA game. He can contribute on the boards, on the break and even more importantly on defense until he figures out how to score consistently at the next level.
If you had Kyrie and KD  
Carl in CT : 2/12/2019 9:23 am : link
And Jordan took the MLE. Zion would perfect. A more athletic Anthony Mason and a rebounder like Rodman who can score fits right in as a third option. We can only dream. Imagine if someone gets him on a weight program and losses some baby fat?
RE: It's not like the Knicks are non-competitive.  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14294007 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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They've lost a bunch of close games, which is to be expected when they're playing a bunch of kids and young, unproven players.

Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.


The Knicks are -9.0 in point differential, 3rd worst in the league. Over the past 3 seasons the Knicks would be the 4th worst mark. So they have been legit bad.
RE: If you had Kyrie and KD  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14294227 Carl in CT said:
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And Jordan took the MLE. Zion would perfect. A more athletic Anthony Mason and a rebounder like Rodman who can score fits right in as a third option. We can only dream. Imagine if someone gets him on a weight program and losses some baby fat?


He pretty clearly can still drop 10-15 pounds just from natural maturity. Guy is an absolute freak any way you slice it.
Zion  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 10:00 am : link
Not exactly going out on a limb, but I love him as a NBA prospect. I know its college, but he absolutely moves bodies, has great feet, and can jump out of the gym. I actually think he complements Durant really well ( most players do). But I do think his strengths line up well with Durant.

If the Knicks land the top pick, and have Durant and another max FA- I'm keeping Zion. It would also be nice to have a young player for the future to play with the 2 vets.

And Charles Barkley in his prime would be great in this NBA. He might even be better...
RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/12/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14293952 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...


I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
RE: RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14294350 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...




I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.


Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...

When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...

You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...

I almost think Zion  
Carl in CT : 2/12/2019 11:11 am : link
And a couple #1’s is all we would need. (Not all our young guys) as he is getting so much hype for Davis. The “Big Three” would have to get creative on the $’s. If there is a will there is a way. BTW whose good at Ping Pong here? Can you make a ball lighter so it shoots to the top faster?
Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Anakim : 2/12/2019 11:28 am : link
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


1 through 3 i am good, knicks get 4 or 5 and all this tanking was for nothing unless they trade the pick for a useful piece
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 11:42 am : link
I really hope Phoenix or Cleveland don't win the lottery again. I think the NBA should really look at enacting a rule excluding teams that are consistently at the top of the lottery from winning it consecutive years. Or atleast limited how many times they can win over a course of time.

This would be Clevelands 4th time winning it since 2011 and 5th since 2003. And this will be Phoenix's 5th consecutive year selecting in the top 5.

There are some crazy scenarios with this lottery. Imagine if Dallas wins the lottery? That would be a hard pill to swallow? Or the Lakers?
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Really : 2/12/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


Completely agree.

Barrett looked good against UVA, not sure when and why the consensus seems to favor Morant.
Is a big three really needed?  
#10* : 2/12/2019 3:02 pm : link
More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.

Zion is a willing ball mover.

Barrett seems to look for his own offense.

Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.

Looks like a two pony race to me.

RE: Is a big three really needed?  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14294651 #10* said:
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More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.

Zion is a willing ball mover.

Barrett seems to look for his own offense.

Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.

Looks like a two pony race to me.


Ja Morant may be better than anyone not named Zion
RE: Seems like we're all banking on Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14294430 Anakim said:
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Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.

We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.


Basically 1 in 7 chance for each of top 3 worst records. Not high odds.
Zion  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 3:47 pm : link
my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Garland would definitely be in my top five.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:52 pm : link
I think he'll be an excellent pro - can break down defenses and has NBA 3PT range.
RE: Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14294696 DanMetroMan said:
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol


Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
The kind of crazy thing happening with the Knicks right now  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 3:54 pm : link
I don't think this will sway KD one way or the other but I think by far the most exciting player on the Knicks to come play with is Robinson.

He needs to add bulk and endurance but he is the perfect teammate for a guy like Durant. Great help defender. Ridiculous range on alley oops. Crashes the boards like a mad man. Does not need the ball and shoots at a really high %. And maybe the most of all, he can switch to 2-5 probably a lot of 1's too.
I wish there was a sharpshooter anywhere near the top of this draft.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:56 pm : link
I'd take him and run, especially if the free agency rumors are true. A JJ Redick type would be great.
Yeah, Mitchell Robinson can be a monster.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
You can tell who wants to fight for rebounds and who doesn't, and he does. Once he gets stronger he's gonna clean up the boards AND block everything in sight. I agree he's a huge weapon on a talented team.
RE: RE: Zion  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol



Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.


I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
I think it's a team construction thing too  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
if we think we will and end up signing a few stars a guy like Culver is probably better on that team than Barrett.

If we are doing a tank / multi year build it might be Bol Bol over Culver.

Obviously we won't know 100% at the draft but the way these things work now I think we will "know"
Bol Bol, another really tall guy with a major foot injury?  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2019 4:13 pm : link
I'd stay away.
I'm thinking about it purely from a tank purpose  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 4:18 pm : link
if you are the 4th or 5th pick best thing to do is maximize upside and minimize contribution. A guy like Culver is not who you want for tanking.
This is where i wish the draft  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 4:28 pm : link
was after free agency...
Draft  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
To me there are some serious steep drop offs in this draft. After Zion for sure, and after Morant/ Barrett I think it falls off a cliff.

If the Knicks end up at 4 or 5, I'm trading that pick for the best vet available. Probably even doing it if it falls 2nd or 3rd...
RE: RE: RE: Zion  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 5:18 pm : link
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my clear #1

Morant my clear #2

Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so

After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol



Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?

I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.

The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.



I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.


So in terms of ridiculous upside and at least a pretty good chance to get there looks like Zion, Morant and then Barett. After that it gets iffy. If we get past 5 ....we have a higher chance for top 2 vs. top 3 or 4
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DanMetroMan : 2/12/2019 5:20 pm : link
Hard to really disagree with anything @ReggieMillerTNT said here
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Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 5:37 pm : link
If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.
I like Reddish more than most here.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2019 5:37 pm : link
I think he'd actually be an excellent fit next to Kyrie and KD. His shot is a lot better than the percentages show. I think his issue has been finding rhythm in an offense where he's basically the 4th option.

It says a lot that when Coach K had to draw up a play at the end of the FSU game, it was for Reddish and he drilled it.
RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 5:40 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.


I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman
I want my 2/3 to be able to get to the basket. Barrett scores mostly  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/12/2019 6:31 pm : link
from mid-range and 3’s. When he does drive, he often has to push off with his right and settle with that little banker going away from the basket. He is not a plus plus athlete, and is already more polished than most due to his upbringing (son of Rowan Barrett), so I don’t know if there is as much projection left with him.

Still a very good prospect, but definitely #3 in my book. Kevin Porter Jr. finally got back to playing, I still like his upside despite how this year has turned out.
RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
Strahan91 : 2/12/2019 6:33 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman

My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July
RE: RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 6:42 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman


My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July


Kleinman would know hr has 1 job at roc nation at that is kevin durant, they are friends, his business manager, agent and business partner...

Plus them opening up an office in new york is a very good sign, i checked they are moving from california to new york
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pressure's definitely on Mills and Perry.  
Strahan91 : 2/12/2019 6:58 pm : link
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If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.



I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman


My big fear is that they *think* they know he's coming but KD is a wildcard that could easily change his mind 5 times from now until July



Kleinman would know hr has 1 job at roc nation at that is kevin durant, they are friends, his business manager, agent and business partner...

Plus them opening up an office in new york is a very good sign, i checked they are moving from california to new york

I highly doubt they would commit outright given the repercussions for doing so if the league ever found out. On the business move, it's a very positive sign but there are certainly other factors at play. They're focusing on a lot of media related stuff at the moment and Roc Nation is NY based, not to mention Kleiman is here much of the time.

I'm as hopeful and optimistic as anyone but we're still the Knicks and Mills is still Mills so until the contract is signed there will be anxiety (from me at least). I'm a little scarred from the whole Lebron saga in 2010. I thought it was a done deal after they announced he'd be announcing his decision in Greenwich of all places.
Ckmpletely fair  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 7:02 pm : link
i am definitely more confident now than before the trade, i thought zero chance he comes before the trade...
so do we want warriors to lose  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2019 8:22 pm : link
or is he more likely to leave if they win their 3rd straight?
RE: so do we want warriors to lose  
NoGainDayne : 2/12/2019 8:35 pm : link
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or is he more likely to leave if they win their 3rd straight?


IMO losing would be better. Harder for him to leave if he thinks they could reel off a record number in a row
Duke/Louisville  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2019 9:10 pm : link
coming up on ESPN.
Scott Perry has a preexisting relationship with Durant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 6:56 am : link
As well. He was the Assistant GM for the Sonics when they drafted Durant.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2019 12:37 pm : link
actually think Durant knows where he will be next year. Maybe there are factors that change his decision aka maybe he's coming here IF a second guy is committed to joining him etc. But in his head I think he knows where he will be.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 12:47 pm : link
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actually think Durant knows where he will be next year. Maybe there are factors that change his decision aka maybe he's coming here IF a second guy is committed to joining him etc. But in his head I think he knows where he will be.


i said this before he absolutely knows what he is doing, i think he has known since the start of the season
Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 1:08 pm : link
Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run
RE: Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 1:12 pm : link
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Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run


Writers need to post content every day. Even if it's shit.
RE: RE: Michael lee a writer for philly mind you  
NoGainDayne : 2/13/2019 1:14 pm : link
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Says the knicks are dysfunctional because they have lost 17 in a row and are losing, and says that it is not fair to the fans...

Wait so did you write this when thr sixers tanked for 5 years?

why is every team allowed to tank at least once but the knicks do it and they are so horribly run



Writers need to post content every day. Even if it's shit.


I think literally any other cities writers could complain about tanking and i'd be fine. What an idiot.
RE: RE: RE: I think it is pointless to debate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 1:17 pm : link
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...




I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.



Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...

When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...

You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...


That's one way to do it, sure. They also have the opportunity to build lasting success beyond the KD years by, when you have young, cheap talent, top of the draft talent in hand, holding on to it. I want KD here, who wouldn't? I'd also like to be able to be a strong team for more than just the 4-5 years he's in a Knicks uniform.
ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 1:27 pm : link
that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3
RE: ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
adamg : 2/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
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that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3


Realistically who would they have to give up to get AD? Would they be able to keep DSJ or M Rob? How many lotto tickets does AD cost?
I love Zion as a prospect  
Strahan91 : 2/13/2019 2:43 pm : link
and I think he's going to be a stud. I'd love to keep him if we won the lottery. With that being said, it could come down to this. Win 1 championship and have a competitive window for 4-5 years or being competitive over a longer period of time but maybe never winning it all. Given what we've been through as Knick fans, I'm going for that 1 ring at all costs. Still, I wouldn't complain if they decided to keep Zion (if they won the lottery of course). If they pick 2-5, I'm all for trading it as long as KD is coming.
Chris Broussard said  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/13/2019 2:54 pm : link
that moving Zion (if it were him) for AD would be dependent on whether that's a requirement for KD and Kyrie to join the team. If not, then they would keep Zion.
RE: RE: ten ton i agree 100 percent with you  
blueblood : 2/13/2019 3:07 pm : link
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that is why i am ok with keeping the youth and signing 2 maxes, but i think they will go for abig 3



Realistically who would they have to give up to get AD? Would they be able to keep DSJ or M Rob? How many lotto tickets does AD cost?


They would have to give up quite a bit because they would have to make the salaries match. So probably DSJ, Knox, the Number one pick and someone else too.
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