And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?
i am trading the pick no matter where i land and i think the kjicks will too
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And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?
I've said similar - Zion is going to be a tough fit on the NBA floor. He has a very unique build. He's like a brick.
He's like a more athletic Barkley - but Chuck played in a different era and I don't think he'd fit on the floor quite as well in 2019 as he did back in the 90's.
Barrett seems like a more pro-ready fit with a higher floor.
I initially thought Reddish was going to project the best of the 3 - but he's not having a good year, is a complete non factor on the boards and isn't shooting well at all. So, I've soured on him a bit.
Morant is probably the 3rd guy in the top 3 right now ahead of Reddish... at least I think so.
I think that is the main reason he goes 1, i dknt think you cannput him on a team and say carry it...
He will get you 15 to 17 points, 10 boards, some blocks and highlight dunks but until he gets a consistent shot he will not be a player that carries team...
And am I crazy or drunk enough to say that I'd rather have Barrett than Zion? I'm not sold on Zion. I think Barrett is the better NBA prospect. Zion is a freak playing in college, but does that translate to the pros?
Both guys translate.. Barrett is 1a, and was the consensus #1 in this year's class. Zion, is very good defensively, and is a true two way player that has intangibles and marketability that are very attractive. I will be happy if we get a pick in the top three and get a shot at Barrett, Zion, and Morant.
I think thereis a drop off after that with Reddish and others. More development will happen and the class will rise a bit.. But I'm really hoping the lottery smiles on us, and we have an opportunity to draft a potential franchise player to pair with two max guys.
If Zion develops a passable midrange game, he will be exponentially better. He needs to prove he can challenge you outside the paint since he won't be able to just impose his will on NBA bigs like he's doing now.
I agree he can be a really nice piece as long as you don't ask him to be "the guy" - but it's going to be very important to keep him lean. I could see him being the type of guy who has trouble with weight and keeping it off which will really sap his athleticism and hurt his game.
The upside is too big for me to pass... but part of me hopes we get the 2nd pick and someone just makes the decision for us.
I keep saying it, just prepare for the worst. Then hope for the summer slam. you will be skipping around on cloud nine with that 5th pick if we nab Durant and Irvin. Chin up, the long dark nightmare is almost over.
to suppose that Zion might end up being the Anthony Mason on a Knicks team in 2019 with a small handful of stars?
I love Mace but that's a ludicrous comparison. Williamson has him by about 30 pounds and is much quicker and bouncier.
I think Luke Kornet could have out jumped Anthony Mason, meanwhile Zion nearly knocked himself out by hitting his head on the backboard.
But, I think Zion would actually be a good complimentary player to any group of more experience players/stars as he builds his NBA game. He can contribute on the boards, on the break and even more importantly on defense until he figures out how to score consistently at the next level.
And Jordan took the MLE. Zion would perfect. A more athletic Anthony Mason and a rebounder like Rodman who can score fits right in as a third option. We can only dream. Imagine if someone gets him on a weight program and losses some baby fat?
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They've lost a bunch of close games, which is to be expected when they're playing a bunch of kids and young, unproven players.
Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.
The Knicks are -9.0 in point differential, 3rd worst in the league. Over the past 3 seasons the Knicks would be the 4th worst mark. So they have been legit bad.
And Jordan took the MLE. Zion would perfect. A more athletic Anthony Mason and a rebounder like Rodman who can score fits right in as a third option. We can only dream. Imagine if someone gets him on a weight program and losses some baby fat?
He pretty clearly can still drop 10-15 pounds just from natural maturity. Guy is an absolute freak any way you slice it.
Not exactly going out on a limb, but I love him as a NBA prospect. I know its college, but he absolutely moves bodies, has great feet, and can jump out of the gym. I actually think he complements Durant really well ( most players do). But I do think his strengths line up well with Durant.
If the Knicks land the top pick, and have Durant and another max FA- I'm keeping Zion. It would also be nice to have a young player for the future to play with the 2 vets.
And Charles Barkley in his prime would be great in this NBA. He might even be better...
Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...
I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...
I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...
When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...
You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...
And a couple #1’s is all we would need. (Not all our young guys) as he is getting so much hype for Davis. The “Big Three” would have to get creative on the $’s. If there is a will there is a way. BTW whose good at Ping Pong here? Can you make a ball lighter so it shoots to the top faster?
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
1 through 3 i am good, knicks get 4 or 5 and all this tanking was for nothing unless they trade the pick for a useful piece
I really hope Phoenix or Cleveland don't win the lottery again. I think the NBA should really look at enacting a rule excluding teams that are consistently at the top of the lottery from winning it consecutive years. Or atleast limited how many times they can win over a course of time.
This would be Clevelands 4th time winning it since 2011 and 5th since 2003. And this will be Phoenix's 5th consecutive year selecting in the top 5.
There are some crazy scenarios with this lottery. Imagine if Dallas wins the lottery? That would be a hard pill to swallow? Or the Lakers?
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
Completely agree.
Barrett looked good against UVA, not sure when and why the consensus seems to favor Morant.
More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.
Zion is a willing ball mover.
Barrett seems to look for his own offense.
Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.
More often than not it seems like guys start getting worried about there own touches. Two max guys with really good role players might be the stronger move.
Zion is a willing ball mover.
Barrett seems to look for his own offense.
Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.
Looks like a two pony race to me.
Ja Morant may be better than anyone not named Zion
Which I admit, I am too, but it's far from a guarantee that we get the #1 overall pick, especially when you consider the lottery rules and, well, our shit luck.
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
Basically 1 in 7 chance for each of top 3 worst records. Not high odds.
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
The kind of crazy thing happening with the Knicks right now Â
I don't think this will sway KD one way or the other but I think by far the most exciting player on the Knicks to come play with is Robinson.
He needs to add bulk and endurance but he is the perfect teammate for a guy like Durant. Great help defender. Ridiculous range on alley oops. Crashes the boards like a mad man. Does not need the ball and shoots at a really high %. And maybe the most of all, he can switch to 2-5 probably a lot of 1's too.
I wish there was a sharpshooter anywhere near the top of this draft. Â
You can tell who wants to fight for rebounds and who doesn't, and he does. Once he gets stronger he's gonna clean up the boards AND block everything in sight. I agree he's a huge weapon on a talented team.
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
So in terms of ridiculous upside and at least a pretty good chance to get there looks like Zion, Morant and then Barett. After that it gets iffy. If we get past 5 ....we have a higher chance for top 2 vs. top 3 or 4
If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.
I think he'd actually be an excellent fit next to Kyrie and KD. His shot is a lot better than the percentages show. I think his issue has been finding rhythm in an offense where he's basically the 4th option.
It says a lot that when Coach K had to draw up a play at the end of the FSU game, it was for Reddish and he drilled it.
If you win the Zion sweepstakes and strike out in free agency, you can sell a rebuild through the draft and buy yourself some time. Aside from that, they need at least one superstar player out of this summer.
I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman
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and they get the 5th pick i quit as a knicks fan
The team with the worst record has a 48% chance of getting the 5. So....
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yeah i am wrong, i thought it was 4th
i am trading the pick no matter where i land and i think the kjicks will too
I've said similar - Zion is going to be a tough fit on the NBA floor. He has a very unique build. He's like a brick.
He's like a more athletic Barkley - but Chuck played in a different era and I don't think he'd fit on the floor quite as well in 2019 as he did back in the 90's.
Barrett seems like a more pro-ready fit with a higher floor.
I initially thought Reddish was going to project the best of the 3 - but he's not having a good year, is a complete non factor on the boards and isn't shooting well at all. So, I've soured on him a bit.
Morant is probably the 3rd guy in the top 3 right now ahead of Reddish... at least I think so.
He will get you 15 to 17 points, 10 boards, some blocks and highlight dunks but until he gets a consistent shot he will not be a player that carries team...
and i am not saying he cant develop that shot
Both guys translate.. Barrett is 1a, and was the consensus #1 in this year's class. Zion, is very good defensively, and is a true two way player that has intangibles and marketability that are very attractive. I will be happy if we get a pick in the top three and get a shot at Barrett, Zion, and Morant.
I think thereis a drop off after that with Reddish and others. More development will happen and the class will rise a bit.. But I'm really hoping the lottery smiles on us, and we have an opportunity to draft a potential franchise player to pair with two max guys.
I agree he can be a really nice piece as long as you don't ask him to be "the guy" - but it's going to be very important to keep him lean. I could see him being the type of guy who has trouble with weight and keeping it off which will really sap his athleticism and hurt his game.
The upside is too big for me to pass... but part of me hopes we get the 2nd pick and someone just makes the decision for us.
Take whichever of Zion/Barrett is left.
I keep saying it, just prepare for the worst. Then hope for the summer slam. you will be skipping around on cloud nine with that 5th pick if we nab Durant and Irvin. Chin up, the long dark nightmare is almost over.
Which pieces would we still have to complement them? DSJ? Mitch?
Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.
I love Mace but that's a ludicrous comparison. Williamson has him by about 30 pounds and is much quicker and bouncier.
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to suppose that Zion might end up being the Anthony Mason on a Knicks team in 2019 with a small handful of stars?
I love Mace but that's a ludicrous comparison. Williamson has him by about 30 pounds and is much quicker and bouncier.
I think Luke Kornet could have out jumped Anthony Mason, meanwhile Zion nearly knocked himself out by hitting his head on the backboard.
But, I think Zion would actually be a good complimentary player to any group of more experience players/stars as he builds his NBA game. He can contribute on the boards, on the break and even more importantly on defense until he figures out how to score consistently at the next level.
Kornet gets a wide open three late and they'd probably win if he hits it. He's shooting 43% from 3 and it barely hit the rim. Game over.
The Knicks are -9.0 in point differential, 3rd worst in the league. Over the past 3 seasons the Knicks would be the 4th worst mark. So they have been legit bad.
He pretty clearly can still drop 10-15 pounds just from natural maturity. Guy is an absolute freak any way you slice it.
If the Knicks land the top pick, and have Durant and another max FA- I'm keeping Zion. It would also be nice to have a young player for the future to play with the 2 vets.
And Charles Barkley in his prime would be great in this NBA. He might even be better...
I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
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Knicks are more than likely trading the pick after they sign durant and his costar...
I don't see why that's a given. Having the cap space for two max guys means precisely that you don't have to trade away picks. Ideally you want to be able to support your two big guns with some young impact players.
Because when you sign 2 max guys you are going for a championship especially when 1 is 31...
When you get 2 guys you do not wait for 19 year olds to develop, Knicks will trade that pick for a more established player...
You are no longer in the business of developing players, look at any team that signs a big time free agent, they immediately start looking for vet help...
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
1 through 3 i am good, knicks get 4 or 5 and all this tanking was for nothing unless they trade the pick for a useful piece
This would be Clevelands 4th time winning it since 2011 and 5th since 2003. And this will be Phoenix's 5th consecutive year selecting in the top 5.
There are some crazy scenarios with this lottery. Imagine if Dallas wins the lottery? That would be a hard pill to swallow? Or the Lakers?
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
Completely agree.
Barrett looked good against UVA, not sure when and why the consensus seems to favor Morant.
Zion is a willing ball mover.
Barrett seems to look for his own offense.
Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.
Looks like a two pony race to me.
Zion is a willing ball mover.
Barrett seems to look for his own offense.
Reddish is a 3 guy but don't see him averaging 40% in the pros.
Looks like a two pony race to me.
Ja Morant may be better than anyone not named Zion
We need to discuss other options, like Morant and Barrett more.
Basically 1 in 7 chance for each of top 3 worst records. Not high odds.
Morant my clear #2
Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Morant my clear #2
Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
He needs to add bulk and endurance but he is the perfect teammate for a guy like Durant. Great help defender. Ridiculous range on alley oops. Crashes the boards like a mad man. Does not need the ball and shoots at a really high %. And maybe the most of all, he can switch to 2-5 probably a lot of 1's too.
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my clear #1
Morant my clear #2
Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
If we are doing a tank / multi year build it might be Bol Bol over Culver.
Obviously we won't know 100% at the draft but the way these things work now I think we will "know"
If the Knicks end up at 4 or 5, I'm trading that pick for the best vet available. Probably even doing it if it falls 2nd or 3rd...
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my clear #1
Morant my clear #2
Barrett my #3.. less clear but pretty solidly so
After that.. I'm going to have to sell myself on someone. Reddish really terrifies me. I might have Garland in the mix as high as 4 honestly. Keldon Johnson, Jontay Porter, Bol Bol
Dan thats a good list , what do you think of Culver?
I think if we finish top 3 and are willing to give that pick up (along with Knox, other picks, etc.) it may be enough to beat any other offer for AD.
The rumor was Pelicans want one of the top 2 but one of these guys like Barrett may show well enough for them to still think highly enough if we happen to get #3.
I like Culver a lot. I just think his upside is low for what you pray for when you are THIS bad. I can't really dream on anyone outside of the top 2 but Barrett potentially COULD be that kind of guy. I just am iffy on high volume scorer types. Not saying I'd be crying over Barrett just think Zion and Morant are clearly "the guy". Culver should be a good NBA player. I just hope for more after a 15 win season.
So in terms of ridiculous upside and at least a pretty good chance to get there looks like Zion, Morant and then Barett. After that it gets iffy. If we get past 5 ....we have a higher chance for top 2 vs. top 3 or 4
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It says a lot that when Coach K had to draw up a play at the end of the FSU game, it was for Reddish and he drilled it.
I think if anyone knows if kd is coming it is mills, he is really close with kleinman