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4 Free Agents (and contracts) that I would look at signing

Big_Pete : 2/11/2019 11:27 pm
Here are four free agent signings that I would try and sign

RT Daryl Williams - 5 year/$40m
(contract similar to Bobbie Massie)

2019 $3.8m
2020 $8.3m
2021 $9.3m
2022 $9.3m
2023 $9.3m

RG Jamon Brown - 3 year/$15.5m
(contract similar to Patrick Omameh)
2019 $2.5m
2020 $6.5m
2021 $6.5m

SS Landon Collins - 6 year/$78m
(contract similar to Eric Berry)
2019 $5m
2020 $13m
2021 $16.5m
2022 $13.5m
2023 $16m
2024 $14m

FS Ha-Ha Clinton Dix - 5 year/$46m
(contract similar to Devin McCourty)
2019 $6m
2020 $8m
2021 $9.5m
2022 $10.5m
2023 $12m

It would require a $17.3m investment against the 2019 salary cap to sign these guys, but it solidifies key positions with younger veterans. These contracts do increase after 2019, but there will be sizeable contracts that will likely come off the books as well as an annual increase in the salary cap.

These signings enable us to look at using draft resources to address premium positions which would otherwise require significant salary cap investments (such as edge rusher)



At this stage I expect we will retain Olivier Vernon and Janoris Jenkins for 2019 and try to be in a position to be able to move on from them in 2020. Ideally I would like to move on from the contracts of Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins and Alec Ogeltree. I think all three are being over paid (as is the nature of free agency), but I don't think we are in a position to do so this year as we would need to find veteran replacements in free agency.
I will stop rooting for the Giants if they give Collins 6/78  
Ssanders9816 : 2/11/2019 11:31 pm : link
Please tell me that was a misprint
Ogletree wasnít a free agent signing by the Giants. He has his flaws  
Ivan15 : 2/11/2019 11:35 pm : link
But I donít think his deal was bad.
I'd be up for this  
illmatic : 2/12/2019 12:22 am : link
but I think that's too much money for for Collins, although it's kind of realistic since teams always overpay for someone. But I'd shift some of his money to Williams and say it seems pretty realistic numbers wise. I'm dying for them to pair a good cover safety with Collins. That's something they absolutely have to do if they re-sign him.
I like the way you are thinking  
Rjanyg : 2/12/2019 12:26 am : link
Bring back Collins and Brown, sign Daryl Williams and get a FS. Not sure about Dix, I want Mathieu or Thomas. The free safety position was just as bad as the Right Tackle position last year. They both need upgrading though.
RE: I will stop rooting for the Giants if they give Collins 6/78  
Big_Pete : 2/12/2019 12:28 am : link
In comment 14293982 Ssanders9816 said:
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Please tell me that was a misprint

I used the Eric Berry deal which while top of the market, if we want to lock up Collins, it could be what it will take to sign him long term.

The key with the deal is how it is structured. Collins will have to perform to warrant the back end of the contract.

Unlike the franchise tag, with these contracts we can sign Landon Collins and Ha-Ha Clinton Dix for a shade less than what it would cost to franchise Landon Collins for the 2019 season. The safety franchise tag will be a little under $12m, but it will increase over coming years.

Landon Collins is the type of player you can build the defence around. Getting a veteran FS will allow him to play more aggressively which plays to his strengths imho.

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BleedBlue : 2/12/2019 12:30 am : link
LOVE IT minus HA HA. i think we can do better for the money. IF they can fit honeybadger fine, i like his versatility, plus him and collins would be amazing.

williams imo is a must have. sure up the OL in FA and then go edge rusher and LB in the draft
RE: I like the way you are thinking  
Big_Pete : 2/12/2019 12:40 am : link
In comment 14293995 Rjanyg said:
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Bring back Collins and Brown, sign Daryl Williams and get a FS. Not sure about Dix, I want Mathieu or Thomas. The free safety position was just as bad as the Right Tackle position last year. They both need upgrading though.


I went with Dix because he is solid, very experienced and durable plus he played with Collins in college. I am pretty sure he will be available. But realistically there are a number of ways we can go in free agency including Mathieu, Amos, Thomas, Tre Boston, Joyner etc.

Mathieu is an option and is a playmaker, but he does tend to get banged up. I am not sure Houston let him go.

Thomas is over 30 and you aren't going to be able to back load a long term contract. I would prefer a younger guy we can pair with Collins and lock up our safeties for the next few years (while we overhaul CB, OLB etc.)

Tre Boston is a wild card imho, he was drafted by Gettleman in the 4th round of the 2014 draft.
RE: RE: I will stop rooting for the Giants if they give Collins 6/78  
Ssanders9816 : 2/12/2019 12:58 am : link
In comment 14293996 Big_Pete said:
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In comment 14293982 Ssanders9816 said:


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Please tell me that was a misprint


I used the Eric Berry deal which while top of the market, if we want to lock up Collins, it could be what it will take to sign him long term.

The key with the deal is how it is structured. Collins will have to perform to warrant the back end of the contract.

Unlike the franchise tag, with these contracts we can sign Landon Collins and Ha-Ha Clinton Dix for a shade less than what it would cost to franchise Landon Collins for the 2019 season. The safety franchise tag will be a little under $12m, but it will increase over coming years.

Landon Collins is the type of player you can build the defence around. Getting a veteran FS will allow him to play more aggressively which plays to his strengths imho.


All valid points, and it really comes down to guaranteed money. Playing Collins to his strength is really my concern, Bettcher didnít do it well before he got hurt. But to your point that was heavily due to personnel
The defense is bereft of talent.  
cosmicj : 2/12/2019 3:43 am : link
They may release Vernon, diluting the talent pool even further. In this situation, the only way I see them not resigning Collins is a total tear down, which is clearly not being contemplated. Peteís suggestion is well informed. It may very well shake out this way.
Good job Pete.  
section125 : 2/12/2019 5:02 am : link
Your numbers look realistic for most although I think you are high on Collins.
But I did not see your guarantee money or bonus money(the real numbers.
Take Williams:
Would give him 5/$40 with 20 mill bonus $$ and then lower the salary.

Today's FA deals are all about the guarantee $$.
RE: I will stop rooting for the Giants if they give Collins 6/78  
Jim in Tampa : 2/12/2019 5:13 am : link
In comment 14293982 Ssanders9816 said:
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Please tell me that was a misprint

Enough with people saying that they're going to stop rooting for the Giants if the team does something they don't agree with.

1. No you won't.
2. If I'm wrong and you do stop rooting for the Giants... Who Cares?
Daryl Williams  
Tuckrule : 2/12/2019 5:23 am : link
Missed the entire year with an injury. He isnít a shoe in lock to be the right tackle we need. Medically who knows? Dislocated patella and torn mcl sounds pretty severe. Everyone is acting like the guy is healthy. Personally, Iíd avoid him and if Carolina is letting him walk that should tell you something. A guy who graded out top 3 right tackle prior to injury is now just being let go post injury. I would be very apprehensive to give him a big pay day
I agree  
English Alaister : 2/12/2019 5:24 am : link
that RT and FS are the two positions where adding a solid veteran would most improve this football team. No doubt we were poor at both those positions last year.

Williams is a tricky one. If he's healthy he's a much better player than Massie, the health is the if so you run the risk you get nothing. Being back to Wheeler would be an issue.

Clinton-Dix is solid but I don't feel he's worth that kind of money. I'd look to get a veteran but maybe at a cheaper price.

I like Landon Collins but we should be looking at $9m p.a as the high water mark for him. Otherwise I'd just transition tag him.
I think  
mdthedream : 2/12/2019 6:30 am : link
Collins gets some kind of tag and then the Giants will make a decision based on what happens. To be honest he just is not that good in coverage to warrant that kind of money.
Ha Ha is not good.  
bradshaw44 : 2/12/2019 6:47 am : link
Once he went to the skins he was really exposed. And there was a reason GB let him walk.
In the majority  
SLIM_ : 2/12/2019 7:52 am : link
I think very little of Ha Ha. I think he is a name.


Realistically if we come away with Collins, Williams and Brown or an equivalent player; that would and should be the extent of our free agency. The rest would be lower level signings like Michael Thomas types and I don't mean to diminish his skill sets because he is a valuable contributor.

I say should because we would have chosen to go with some of our own higher priced veterans - Vernon and Eli and to a lesser extent Jenkins that easily could have been cut. We should not have delusions that we are a Super Bowl contender so the focus should be on giving younger guys a chance.


Whatever Free Agent sets a new high mark  
Jimmy Googs : 2/12/2019 8:01 am : link
in salary at the position should be our guy...
Hell  
Toth029 : 2/12/2019 8:10 am : link
No to that Clinton-Dix nod. He isn't that good.
FA  
stretch234 : 2/12/2019 8:24 am : link
D. Williams is going to be offered and accept a contract less in value than the 2 OL let go last year in Pugh and Richburg. If his leg checks out he will be getting offers of 11-12M per year

I would rather draft a RT and bring in FA guards

I really like the two Bears free agent DBís.  
Vin_Cuccs : 2/12/2019 9:41 am : link
Bryce Callahan at CB, and Adrian Amos at S.

Both should be *relatively* inexpensive, and ascending young players.

Williams just makes so much sense. I hope that happens for a reasonable deal.

As always, the veteran cuts are going to be very interesting. Plenty of serviceable vets will unexpectedly hit the market.
Ja'Wuan James  
BIG FRED 1973 : 2/12/2019 9:59 am : link
would be my first choice @ tackle but he may want a ton of money .Williams should be alot cheaper
2 things here  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
1. 6/78 is too high for Collins, IMO.
2. Daryl Williams had a very serious injury in 2018 and not 1 BBI poster has been able to say the guy has made a full recovery. I cannot find any info on his rehab.
RE: Daryl Williams  
GiantGrit : 2/12/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14294035 Tuckrule said:
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Missed the entire year with an injury. He isnít a shoe in lock to be the right tackle we need. Medically who knows? Dislocated patella and torn mcl sounds pretty severe. Everyone is acting like the guy is healthy. Personally, Iíd avoid him and if Carolina is letting him walk that should tell you something. A guy who graded out top 3 right tackle prior to injury is now just being let go post injury. I would be very apprehensive to give him a big pay day


Agreed but one aspect you didn't mention - Taylor Moton.

2nd round pick out of Western Michigan who played at a high level once Williams went down. I'm sure they prefer the healthy, cheaper option.

Moton's success makes me even more confident Gettleman knows what he is doing with offensive linemen.
The Eric Berry deal is ridiculous  
kdog77 : 2/12/2019 3:13 pm : link
Giants should be looking to sign Collins at 3 year/$30-35M. That would put him in top 5 in Safety market in terms of his average salary. It is not clear that Collins will get signed for much more than $12M/year in FA and if he is not willing to re-sign with Giants then they should tag him for the year.
Consider Tre Boston at FS  
Bluesbreaker : 2/13/2019 4:26 pm : link
He may come a bit cheaper ..
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