Josina Anderson seems to think so. I posted it in the Kyler Murray thread below, but think it deserves it's own thread.
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If this is true I'd assume many teams will be offering picks for Rosen. I think the Giants would have be included in that. He's got a year of NFL experience. He just turned 22 and is only 3 months older then Haskins.
Has she heard something else or is she just repeating what was already discussed weeks ago?
Yup. I said it at the very beginning of this post. Sorry I'm taking up your bandwidth.
Has she heard something else or is she just repeating what was already discussed weeks ago?
Pretty sure this is new info. I've seen a few other people say the rumor has started picking up steam. He also just signed with Kliff Kingsbury's agent.
They aren't stuck. They have a QB who just went 10th overall in a strong QB class. There are many teams who need a QB. We'd offer our 2nd and get laughed out. While the Fins, Redskins, Jags, Broncos, Pats all offer something better.
Huge red flag that he doesn't fit the offense the Cardinals new HC wants to run?
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The Cards are stuck in this situation and would have to dump him. I would offer the second rounder and maybe a lower pick but thats it.
They aren't stuck. They have a QB who just went 10th overall in a strong QB class. There are many teams who need a QB. We'd offer our 2nd and get laughed out. While the Fins, Redskins, Jags, Broncos, Pats all offer something better.
Agreed. Unless we’re offering 6, we’d have no shot. The thing we are assuming is DG being interested in acquiring Rosen. I would hope he would be. In fact, if he weren’t, to me it would fall under derogation of duty, which should be a fireable offense.
Rosen is fine. I’d take him but not at that price. If the Dolphins want to blow their load for him go right ahead. IMO his ceiling just isn’t big enough.
Rosen is fine. I’d take him but not at that price. If the Dolphins want to blow their load for him go right ahead. IMO his ceiling just isn’t big enough.
Rosen would start week 1. If Eli is still around you have an open competition. If you remove loyalty and sentimentality from the equation, which I realize is hard at “Jints Central”, Rosen likely beats Eli out.
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it’s fine if you want to look at everything as a positive but anyone dumping a top pick, at QB no less should at least raise concern. But hey let’s ignore that and give them the 6th overall pick, make him nice and happy sitting on the bench in 2019, and then hope he’s good enough in the next 2 years after to pay him.
Rosen is fine. I’d take him but not at that price. If the Dolphins want to blow their load for him go right ahead. IMO his ceiling just isn’t big enough.
Rosen would start week 1. If Eli is still around you have an open competition. If you remove loyalty and sentimentality from the equation, which I realize is hard at “Jints Central”, Rosen likely beats Eli out.
Wow, I felt so douchie writing jints central.
Rosen wouldn't sit the entire season unless Eli is carrying them to a playoff berth. While I'm confident in Eli's abilities with a proper OL, I have zero confidence in the Bettcher Boys.
We must also consider that Arizona would have to eat Rosen's signing bonus - $10.8M. While #6 seems steep, we could ask for their 2nd round pick. We would be able to still get quality rookies at the top of the 2nd and maybe move up into the bottom of the first if we package some late round picks.
Or next years #2 if they don't want to part with this years.
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and 2 cost controlled years gone unless you think Eli is getting cut in this scenario. Our 1st would be nuts. Offer a 2nd and add on other picks but a 1 is off the table.
Rosen wouldn't sit the entire season unless Eli is carrying them to a playoff berth. While I'm confident in Eli's abilities with a proper OL, I have zero confidence in the Bettcher Boys.
We must also consider that Arizona would have to eat Rosen's signing bonus - $10.8M. While #6 seems steep, we could ask for their 2nd round pick. We would be able to still get quality rookies at the top of the 2nd and maybe move up into the bottom of the first if we package some late round picks.
That's a good point about the signing bonus. Would make his cap hit very low.
Good. Glad you can admit when you're wrong.
They didn't. They hired a HC whose only coached college football and relies on a mobile QB. That's why they'd be drafting a mobile QB at 1.
That's not a negative on Rosen. He's a pure pocket passer. It would be smart for the Cardinals to not try to fit a square peg in a round hole.
He's only played one year. How are 2 cost controlled years gone? Because he likely starts the season behind Eli? So what. If he is the guy to replace Eli, then it is worth the pick. While I agree I'd offer the #2 first, I'd bet Wash, Jax, Denver and others would be in on him, so It will like take the #6 to get him - maybe they can get the Cards #3 back (I doubt it.)
OBJ for Rosen.....which should do it.....and the BBI crowd who was screaming for him...should be pleased with Him and Barkley.
I love watching OBJ but the Giants are Barkley team and I am not sure how well that will go longterm.
Did Rosen show anything ?
I get the arm, accuracy etc...but
I had a bunch of concern about lack of leadership, etc.....his team was the worst? Arizona giving up on him is a red flag...no?
OBJ for Rosen.....which should do it.....and the BBI crowd who was screaming for him...should be pleased with Him and Barkley.
I love watching OBJ but the Giants are Barkley team and I am not sure how well that will go longterm.
Did Rosen show anything ?
I get the arm, accuracy etc...but
I had a bunch of concern about lack of leadership, etc.....his team was the worst? Arizona giving up on him is a red flag...no?
Did you read the rest of the thread? If the HC wants to switch to a RPO type offense which requires a mobile QB, Rosen doesn't fit the bill and was the last group's choice. It is not a red flag - Rosen is a straight drop back QB.
He also proved to be durable which was a ?? before the draft. Not sure about his leadership - it is a legit question.
I know there is practically zero chance of it happening but it's fun to discuss
I don't want to argue anymore but here's my thoughts. I would have been ok trading back for Rosen last year, felt his upside was limited by his concussions, attitude, and lack of mobility. BBI members who are locked in also reported that he wasn't even in the conversation.
Fast forward to this year I dont think he's any better of a prospect thank Haskins and definitely not Murray if the size checks out (it won't but I still like him more). I'm also ready to try and break the mold at QB and don't need/want Eli 2.0.
So yeah, do with that what you will. If Rosen is such a no brainer the OC in Arizona would make it work. I'm not about to bail them out with the #6 overall pick.
David Johnson averaged 3.6 YPC. Their only WR is 35 years old. After that they don't have much. They have no TE. We can't really judge him playing for that team. No QB would have been successful.
Rosen was 3-10 as a starter. Eli Manning has a better OL, RB, WR1, WR2, WR3 and TE. Yet he went 5-11.
This is what PFF said about the Cardinals OL.
You don’t have to be a douche if your incorrect or missused a phrase. The red flag on Rosen that you claim is non existent. New coach new regime new system he wants his own guy. It’s as simple as that. If Rosen was in this class he would be right there with Haskins. To give up a 6 to get him is a deal that DG should not pass up. Give me the guy with a season of experience in the nfl. He’s shown he can play and the low ceiling you claim is just your opinion. Nfl scouts think otherwise. So again, don’t be sensitive and have a normal discussion. If someon disagrees with you don’t become a sarcastic prick. Your better off just removing yourself from the keyboard.
Until Kingsbury fixes that disaster, even Murray and his scrambling, speed and quickness will pay a price.
I don't want to argue anymore but here's my thoughts. I would have been ok trading back for Rosen last year, felt his upside was limited by his concussions, attitude, and lack of mobility. BBI members who are locked in also reported that he wasn't even in the conversation.
Fast forward to this year I dont think he's any better of a prospect thank Haskins and definitely not Murray if the size checks out (it won't but I still like him more). I'm also ready to try and break the mold at QB and don't need/want Eli 2.0.
So yeah, do with that what you will. If Rosen is such a no brainer the OC in Arizona would make it work. I'm not about to bail them out with the #6 overall pick.
Your last paragraph is silly. If you are looking to run a RPO style offense, you cannot do it well with Rosen, no matter how much an OC wanted to make it work. While Rosen is much more mobile than Eli or Brady, why would you take a drop QB and make him run?
While I disagree with your assessment of Rosen and Haskins, your 2nd paragraph is the true crux of your not wanting Rosen. You want a different style QB. I won't disagree with you that a Russell Wilson/Pat Mahomes type would be my preferred QB at this point.
How did they get hired?
"We can coach this team but we are not committing to Rosen"....that wouldnt fly.
I did not see much of Arizona, but only way this happens is if the owners in Arizona are also soured by Rosen.
And that would be a major Red Flag.
Matt Miller - ( New Window )
Where there is smoke......
Doesn't really matter what any of us think of Rosen. What does Gettleman think? Did he like Rosen last year? And, if not, did anything happen to change his mind?
My guess is that the answers are "No" and "No".
the we in the room - ( New Window )
How did they get hired?
"We can coach this team but we are not committing to Rosen"....that wouldnt fly.
I did not see much of Arizona, but only way this happens is if the owners in Arizona are also soured by Rosen.
And that would be a major Red Flag.
Correct. I’ve been completely transparent. I don’t want another statue and I don’t buy that a new OC has this much power. I wouldn’t want an OC who can only work one way.
Fine if you guys disagree but stop acting like it’s some out of left field opinion.
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"Current conspiracy theory: Cardinals told Kyler Murray they'd draft him at No. 1 overall and trade Josh Rosen if he committed to football." Matt Miller - ( New Window )
Where there is smoke......
That doesn't make a lot of sense since Murray's also claimed to be participating in the combine. If he already has an assurance to go #1, why bother?
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"Current conspiracy theory: Cardinals told Kyler Murray they'd draft him at No. 1 overall and trade Josh Rosen if he committed to football." Matt Miller - ( New Window )
Where there is smoke......
That doesn't make a lot of sense since Murray's also claimed to be participating in the combine. If he already has an assurance to go #1, why bother?
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In comment 14294096 Beer Man said:
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"Current conspiracy theory: Cardinals told Kyler Murray they'd draft him at No. 1 overall and trade Josh Rosen if he committed to football." Matt Miller - ( New Window )
Where there is smoke......
That doesn't make a lot of sense since Murray's also claimed to be participating in the combine. If he already has an assurance to go #1, why bother?
Maybe part of "committing to football" includes attending the combine
And HE is the savior???
Good lord....
SMH...
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Interesting - Chris Mara in speaking with Russo (re: the No. 2 pick): We liked the QBs, but the issue was we couldn’t agree on which one. We all agreed on Barkley.[Schneier] (I wonder who each exec had as their QB1 and if anyone tried to push for him).
Doesn't really matter what any of us think of Rosen. What does Gettleman think? Did he like Rosen last year? And, if not, did anything happen to change his mind?
My guess is that the answers are "No" and "No".
the we in the room - ( New Window )
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Need a mobile QB....so it is ONLY a system fit issue...impossible.
How did they get hired?
"We can coach this team but we are not committing to Rosen"....that wouldnt fly.
I did not see much of Arizona, but only way this happens is if the owners in Arizona are also soured by Rosen.
And that would be a major Red Flag.
Correct. I’ve been completely transparent. I don’t want another statue and I don’t buy that a new OC has this much power. I wouldn’t want an OC who can only work one way.
Fine if you guys disagree but stop acting like it’s some out of left field opinion.
Aren't we talking about Kingbury, the head coach?
Could it be that they see Murray as a generational talent?
That and the fact they could get a decent return on Rosen makes it plausible.