Josina Anderson seems to think so. I posted it in the Kyler Murray thread below, but think it deserves it's own thread.
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If this is true I'd assume many teams will be offering picks for Rosen. I think the Giants would have be included in that. He's got a year of NFL experience. He just turned 22 and is only 3 months older then Haskins.
If he is worth trading for, he is worth #6.
Sure you try to negotiate the best deal possible but squabbling over #6 vs #10 vs #15 makes no sense.
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Interesting - Chris Mara in speaking with Russo (re: the No. 2 pick): We liked the QBs, but the issue was we couldn’t agree on which one. We all agreed on Barkley.[Schneier] (I wonder who each exec had as their QB1 and if anyone tried to push for him).
Doesn't really matter what any of us think of Rosen. What does Gettleman think? Did he like Rosen last year? And, if not, did anything happen to change his mind?
My guess is that the answers are "No" and "No".
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They liked him enough to have the owner have dinner with him. And the owner raved about the meeting.
Listen, if the Giants think Rosen is awesome than I’d support it. But I doubt it. Apparently the only one even close to Barkley was Darnold which makes sense to me (add in Mayfield if he was a little taller). This isn’t a no brainer though, Rosen rubs a lot of people the wrong way with how he carries himself and had several issues coming into the draft between that and concussions. Add in the fact that “battling it out with Eli” isn’t something I can ever see happening.
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Interesting - Chris Mara in speaking with Russo (re: the No. 2 pick): We liked the QBs, but the issue was we couldn’t agree on which one. We all agreed on Barkley.[Schneier] (I wonder who each exec had as their QB1 and if anyone tried to push for him).
Doesn't really matter what any of us think of Rosen. What does Gettleman think? Did he like Rosen last year? And, if not, did anything happen to change his mind?
My guess is that the answers are "No" and "No".
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They liked him enough to have the owner have dinner with him. And the owner raved about the meeting.
I don’t recall reading about any other dinner engagements with other prospects last spring either.
Giants co-owner raves about private meeting with Josh Rosen - ( New Window )
You don’t think Gettleman should throw his hat into the ring if by some chance this rumor has legs?
It’s never happened before. I think we can justify doing it now. It’s debatable how the team feels though.
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They should trade with. With Smith never playing again.... he is cheap, young and the type of QB they should go after. I see the trade between skins and cards.
You don’t think Gettleman should throw his hat into the ring if by some chance this rumor has legs?
Nope. Sixth pick is too much for him.
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If you want Rosen you trade down than offer your number one pick for Rosen. If you can't trade down, no Rosen.
If he is worth trading for, he is worth #6.
Sure you try to negotiate the best deal possible but squabbling over #6 vs #10 vs #15 makes no sense.
I don’t see that. After they are drafted and start playing, most rookie QBs depreciate like new cars.
I like Rosen and understand that he played for a horrible team last year. But he’s not worth a first round selection. There are still question marks. Fair value is probably a second.
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They should trade with. With Smith never playing again.... he is cheap, young and the type of QB they should go after. I see the trade between skins and cards.
You don’t think Gettleman should throw his hat into the ring if by some chance this rumor has legs?
Nope. Sixth pick is too much for him.
I disagree. To me, Rosen is significantly better than any QB in this draft and might be better than any prospect (in a mediocre draft as a whole) available at 6. If we could also get back their second rounder, it’s a complete no brainer in my opinion.
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If you want Rosen you trade down than offer your number one pick for Rosen. If you can't trade down, no Rosen.
If he is worth trading for, he is worth #6.
Sure you try to negotiate the best deal possible but squabbling over #6 vs #10 vs #15 makes no sense.
I don’t see that. After they are drafted and start playing, most rookie QBs depreciate like new cars.
I like Rosen and understand that he played for a horrible team last year. But he’s not worth a first round selection. There are still question marks. Fair value is probably a second.
History shows thats not true at all. QBs value go up or hold steady if they can show they are even mildly capable. Look at what guys like Sam Bradford fetched. Even Teddy Bridgewater fetched a 3rd.
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
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If you want Rosen you trade down than offer your number one pick for Rosen. If you can't trade down, no Rosen.
If he is worth trading for, he is worth #6.
Sure you try to negotiate the best deal possible but squabbling over #6 vs #10 vs #15 makes no sense.
I don’t see that. After they are drafted and start playing, most rookie QBs depreciate like new cars.
I like Rosen and understand that he played for a horrible team last year. But he’s not worth a first round selection. There are still question marks. Fair value is probably a second.
History shows thats not true at all. QBs value go up or hold steady if they can show they are even mildly capable. Look at what guys like Sam Bradford fetched. Even Teddy Bridgewater fetched a 3rd.
QB’s play longer than other positions. Say we trade for Rosen. Are we going to complain that we “only” had him for 14 years as opposed to 15??
Logic says if Arizona wants to move on, that the trading team would have the leverage... it would begin at #10 overall and trend down for compensation... not up.
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
JonC even alluded to it as not strong. You have maybe 3 legit blue chip prospects (Bosa, Williams, and perhaps Allen). After that, the talent levels off.
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Mediocre?
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
JonC even alluded to it as not strong. You have maybe 3 legit blue chip prospects (Bosa, Williams, and perhaps Allen). After that, the talent levels off.
Well then why would Arizona trade away a blue chip player for a player in a mediocre draft? Haha
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Mediocre?
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
JonC even alluded to it as not strong. You have maybe 3 legit blue chip prospects (Bosa, Williams, and perhaps Allen). After that, the talent levels off.
Well then why would Arizona trade away a blue chip player for a player in a mediocre draft? Haha
Nobody said it would be a smart move by Arizona to take Murray and trade Rosen.
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Mediocre?
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
JonC even alluded to it as not strong. You have maybe 3 legit blue chip prospects (Bosa, Williams, and perhaps Allen). After that, the talent levels off.
Well then why would Arizona trade away a blue chip player for a player in a mediocre draft? Haha
because the would be getting what they see as a generational talent in Murray.
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Mediocre?
There are a lot of very good edge rushers and OL. The two position we are in dire need of?
JonC even alluded to it as not strong. You have maybe 3 legit blue chip prospects (Bosa, Williams, and perhaps Allen). After that, the talent levels off.
Well then why would Arizona trade away a blue chip player for a player in a mediocre draft? Haha
Nobody said it would be a smart move by Arizona to take Murray and trade Rosen.
In such an event, the NYG would be looking to capitalize on Arizona’s stupidity.
Logic says if Arizona wants to move on, that the trading team would have the leverage... it would begin at #10 overall and trend down for compensation... not up.
Last years draft was much stronger up top.
You can't judge him off of what he did last year. The worst supporting cast in the NFL and it isn't particularly close. Yet his record and Eli's wasn't very far off.
Again, why would he sit? Take sentimentality and loyalty out of the equation, which might be hard, what makes you certain Eli beats out Rosen?
Well thats the great part, he wouldn't have to. Clearly if this trade happens they would move on from Eli.
He made it through a year with a worse line than the Giants and the owners described him as "very charismatic young man"
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
it means at the very least that they thought enough of him as a football player to have both owners meet with him.
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A QB a team doesn’t want and not upgrading in positions in dire need? In which this draft is strong in??
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
Umm how can you trade for something that you can’t guarantee will be there?
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A QB a team doesn’t want and not upgrading in positions in dire need? In which this draft is strong in??
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
Umm how can you trade for something that you can’t guarantee will be there?
You really have a skill at finding any reason possible to not move on from Eli. Its quite remarkable.
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A QB a team doesn’t want and not upgrading in positions in dire need? In which this draft is strong in??
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
Umm how can you trade for something that you can’t guarantee will be there?
Quality players along the OL are always present in the top half of the 2nd round. It’s about as close to a guarantee as there is.
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A QB a team doesn’t want and not upgrading in positions in dire need? In which this draft is strong in??
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
Umm how can you trade for something that you can’t guarantee will be there?
Quality players along the OL are always present in the top half of the 2nd round. It’s about as close to a guarantee as there is.
and either way, it clearly wouldn't be part of the trade.
Almost as skillful of those that find any reason possible to move on from Eli, even if it means making a shitty trade or forcing a pick.
Comments like this bring down the value of the site. This makes the poster look like a child.
You really have a skill at finding any reason possible to not move on from Eli. Its quite remarkable.
Actually buddy... I was ready to move on last year so stop making up shit cause you don’t know your head from your ass.
What I don’t want to do is overpay and give up assets on rebuilding the team. This draft has the capabilities of filling our huge holes on ER and RT... two positions we desperately need.
So how about this. Shut the fuck up with this Eli nonsense already. Nobody here is arguing to keep him. We are arguing about not making bone headed decisions. Which is something you continue to want to make. And that’s what is remarkable.
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A QB a team doesn’t want and not upgrading in positions in dire need? In which this draft is strong in??
QB isn’t a dire need as well here?
How’s this scenario?
We get Rosen and 33 for our 6.
We then double up OL in the 2nd round.
I like it.
Umm how can you trade for something that you can’t guarantee will be there?
Quality players along the OL are always present in the top half of the 2nd round. It’s about as close to a guarantee as there is.
Why settle for the potential of quality when you have the chance of a potential blue chipper?
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You really have a skill at finding any reason possible to not move on from Eli. Its quite remarkable.
Actually buddy... I was ready to move on last year so stop making up shit cause you don’t know your head from your ass.
What I don’t want to do is overpay and give up assets on rebuilding the team. This draft has the capabilities of filling our huge holes on ER and RT... two positions we desperately need.
So how about this. Shut the fuck up with this Eli nonsense already. Nobody here is arguing to keep him. We are arguing about not making bone headed decisions. Which is something you continue to want to make. And that’s what is remarkable.
Rosen and 33 for 6 isn’t a boneheaded decision in my opinion. Nobody knows what DG is planning in FA, which hasn’t been mentioned here. Perhaps he doesn’t completely shit the bed like he did last year?
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You really have a skill at finding any reason possible to not move on from Eli. Its quite remarkable.
Almost as skillful of those that find any reason possible to move on from Eli, even if it means making a shitty trade or forcing a pick.
Is that directed at me? If so you don't need to use the vague "those"
The reasons to move on are pretty concrete and not really far fetched. Age, recent performance and state of the team.
As for forcing a pick and bad trades, thats pretty subjective. Jets fans dont think they forced the pick. Haskins at 6 wouldn't be forcing the pick.
Trading the #6 for Rosen, #33 and $10 mil of prepaid signing bonus sounds like a fair deal to me.
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You really have a skill at finding any reason possible to not move on from Eli. Its quite remarkable.
Actually buddy... I was ready to move on last year so stop making up shit cause you don’t know your head from your ass.
What I don’t want to do is overpay and give up assets on rebuilding the team. This draft has the capabilities of filling our huge holes on ER and RT... two positions we desperately need.
So how about this. Shut the fuck up with this Eli nonsense already. Nobody here is arguing to keep him. We are arguing about not making bone headed decisions. Which is something you continue to want to make. And that’s what is remarkable.
yeah right, you are not arguing to keep him. Its just that every single other option just happens to be trash.
Murry or Haskins? I cant see anyway they Giants take Murray.