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Why Josh Rosen COULD Make Sense Here....

Allen in CNJ : 2/12/2019 9:26 am
...after all...

Hypothetically, IF Arizona takes Kyler Murray #1 overall, they’ll have to move Rosen. I would think this would have to take place after the draft. At that point, going into the summer and through the summer teams will be set at QB for the season, including the Giants. Why not, if this scenario plays out, trade for our QB of the future with a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the 2020 draft?

With this scenario, we can draft for our “infrastructure” and keep looking to win ASAP with Eli and company while landing his future replacement in Josh Rosen.

Just a thought. I’d like to hear what BBI thinks about this.
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Since my plan would be  
idiotsavant : 2/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
Heavy D emphasis, especially DL, including #6, not drafting QB until 2020, I would not trade #6 either.

It's ONE year folks...one more year...than you go nuts on O and QB.
Terps-  
Sean : 2/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
A couple things:

1. You are very critical of the idea that the Giants may bring Eli back. If you aren’t a believer in DG/PS, isn’t this a good thing? Give the regime another year to win with Eli, but a clean slate in 2020 going forward if they don’t. I’d rather start GM/HC/QB on the same timeline.

2. I don’t think the Giants will be thinking about rookie contracts with QB’s. I think they are debating who can give the another Eli like run in the position. If Rosen fits that, I think they’ll pursue.
We can't set Eli's career as the bar for the next guy  
ron mexico : 2/12/2019 4:02 pm : link
Thats just an unreasonable expectation. The next QB will not have the career that Eli had and thats OK.
My plan would be  
Pep22 : 2/12/2019 4:06 pm : link
Rd 1 - SOLVE THE QB PROBLEM (I like Haskins the most but the other two are fine if DG has a conviction about them)

Rd 2 - Choose among OC Garret Bradbury, OG Chris Lindstrom, OC/OG Elgton Jenkins

Rd 4 and beyond along with free agency; go defense heavy plus you have Sam Beal en route
RE: Terps-  
Go Terps : 2/12/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14294713 Sean said:
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A couple things:

1. You are very critical of the idea that the Giants may bring Eli back. If you aren’t a believer in DG/PS, isn’t this a good thing? Give the regime another year to win with Eli, but a clean slate in 2020 going forward if they don’t. I’d rather start GM/HC/QB on the same timeline.

2. I don’t think the Giants will be thinking about rookie contracts with QB’s. I think they are debating who can give the another Eli like run in the position. If Rosen fits that, I think they’ll pursue.


1. I'd agree if I thought they'd fire Gettleman and Shurmur after a poor 2019. I'm not sure they would. Maybe Shurmur, but I'd be shocked if Gettleman is replaced. Further, on a personal level I don't want to see another indignity done to Eli's career when he retires with a sub-.500 record.

2. I agree here as well, and that is what's so depressing about the current state of affairs.
I think Rosen has talent.....  
SGMen : 2/12/2019 4:20 pm : link
He is a bit "arrogant" as I understand it but he can play.

If AZ would give him up for our #2 this year I'd pull the trigger. But I think it would be much more likely AZ would ask for a 2020 #1 and I'm not so sure I'd do that.

The Giants have some good players but also some MAJOR gaping holes as well, especially on defense and the OL. We could actually be better on offense but finish 4-12 and have a top 7 pick next year!

Rosen for a #2 and late round pick? I think DG would be stupid to pass that up. Acquiring Rosen would mean this is Eli's last season with the team. Or do you cut Eli? I'm just not sure.
RE: My plan would be  
Giants38 : 2/12/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14294726 Pep22 said:
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Rd 1 - SOLVE THE QB PROBLEM (I like Haskins the most but the other two are fine if DG has a conviction about them)

Rd 2 - Choose among OC Garret Bradbury, OG Chris Lindstrom, OC/OG Elgton Jenkins

Rd 4 and beyond along with free agency; go defense heavy plus you have Sam Beal en route


Half of BBI doesn’t think we have a QB problem and won’t until Eli Manning retires from the NFL.
I would be all for trading for Rosen....  
chopperhatch : 2/12/2019 5:35 pm : link
Even tho he was my third choice at QB last year. But for what? Our 1st this year for Rosen and their 2nd? I might do that.
Don't you think  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 5:41 pm : link
if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.
RE: Don't you think  
chopperhatch : 2/12/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14294813 mrvax said:
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if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.


Not if they were higher on Barkley...much higher, which everybody else refuses to believe. Rosen was one of the guys that Mara flew out to meet with wasnt he?

That would be a huge score for the Giants if we were able to add a guy like Daryl(?) Williams, re-sign Brown to solidify the line, get Rosen for a pick they would use on a QB anyways amd still have the best player in probably the last several drafts on the team already.

I was never the hugest Rosen fan, but he throws a gorgeous ball and we have an alleged QB whisperer who can coach him up. I liked the poster's (I think Big Pete?) idea for FA moves that was posted last night that included Williams, Brown, re-signing Collins and going out to get Clinton-Dix or Mathieu at FS.
RE: to fill in some names/variables  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14294480 Pep22 said:
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its Door # 1:

Rosen
Rd 2 Nasir Addrely
Rd 2a Garrett Bradbury

or

Haskins
Rd 2 Garrett Bradbury

don't get too locked into the draft picks, its only meant for color


If we could pull off getting their second round pick that would be quite a get. This draft has a ton of red chippers.
No  
XBRONX : 2/12/2019 6:08 pm : link
thanks
RE: Don't you think  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14294813 mrvax said:
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if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.


No they wouldnt of. They were giving Eli the chance to play out his contract. If Rosen comes he sits behind Eli (unless Eli stinks it up), I think there preferable route (Plan A) is a QB at #6 but if Haskins/Lock go before then and Rosen is still in play they could pull the trigger.
RE: Don't you think  
Eli Wilson : 2/12/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14294813 mrvax said:
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if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.


No, that's bad logic.

Does that mean the Giants weren't high on any player in the draft because they picked Barkley? That doesn't seem like a yes.
RE: Don't you think  
Ssanders9816 : 2/12/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14294813 mrvax said:
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if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.


No because they had Barkley rated higher. As did everyone else. Think about it
wouldn't mind Rosen  
bc4life : 2/12/2019 6:54 pm : link
waiting in the wings.
RE: RE: Don't you think  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14294835 Ssanders9816 said:
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In comment 14294813 mrvax said:


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if Gettleman & Shurmur were high on Rosen they would have taken him over Barkley? Think about it.



No because they had Barkley rated higher. As did everyone else. Think about it


I'm sure they had Barkley rated higher. But if the Giants thought Rosen could be a franchise guy, they would have taken him.

Folks will see late April.

if a bad offensive line is a good excuse for Eli's  
Jersey55 : 2/13/2019 5:16 pm : link
crappy performances then it should be a good reason for Rosen's as well...
RE: an entire thread on this exists  
TMS : 2/15/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14294292 UConn4523 said:
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I really don't know why there's now 3 threads all being posted on simultaneously on this topic. Pick one, the thought isn't original and was brought up months ago.
You should be used to this the Rosen lobby is unrelenting just like last year.
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