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Boomer on quarterbacks........again

joeinpa : 2/12/2019 9:51 am
Ok, Let me get the preliminaries out of the way:

- Boomer hates the Giants
- Boomer is jealous of Eli
- Boomer is not connected that well in NFL circles
- Boomer has a track record of being wrong
- Boomer is a douch

Think that about covers the views of Boomer on this site, I m in the minority that pays attention to what he says........got it.

He believes Giants were proven right with the Barkley pick, even though he believes in last years qb class

He believes Haskins is everything those guys were and that the Giants will fall in love with him at the combine and pro day.

Believes much like Mayfield, this kid believes he can play in the NFL, is excited by the opportunity, and will not find the spotlight of New York to be too much.

His partner Gio added, if Giants could come out of this with Barkley and a quarterback, not bad.

Boomer though believe Giants will have to move up to get him.

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it's painful watching Haskins move  
SHO'NUFF : 2/12/2019 11:05 am : link
if you guys want 10-15 more years of statues in the pocket, jump on board the Haskins train.
Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 11:10 am : link
this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary.
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Shouldnít we be hoping he s right  
joeinpa : 2/12/2019 11:13 am : link
About Haskins as a future star in the NFL, and that the Giants should go get him.

Wouldnít it be great to have passed on all the quarterbacks last year, get the best player in the draft, and still get your quarterback the next year?

I find the almost rote negative comments expressed here anytime a quarterback has been mentioned as a possible first round pick for the Giants during the last two off seasons, perplexing.

Is it that such a move would start the clock moving on Eli s Giants career and some just arenít ready for that, or is there a true belief not any of the 7 to 8 quarterbacks mentioned over the past two seasons measure up.

Are we certain a guy like Haskins doesnít measure up to last year s and next year s crop

Quarterback is a pretty important position, passing two years in a row with a top 6 pick is unusual for a team looking for a quarterback.




I don't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 11:14 am : link
get the statue comments either.

When I've seen him play, he looks like a guy who prefers to stay in the pocket, but when he leaves, he can be just as effective as some NFL QB's at gaining yards.

Matt Stafford isn't a scrambler, but Haskins can easily move just like him.
You know why I can't listen to Esiason?  
jcn56 : 2/12/2019 11:15 am : link
Besides the reasons in the preamble above? He never really qualifies his opinions on QBs.

He's an analyst who played the position for over a decade, and most of the analysis you get from him is no different than any other talking head on the radio. I don't need Boomer to tell me Haskins is a good guy or a winner, I need him to tell me about his throwing motion, his agility, or something else that you'd hope someone with experience could tell about the guy from watching him play.
RE: I don't..  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14294411 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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get the statue comments either.

When I've seen him play, he looks like a guy who prefers to stay in the pocket, but when he leaves, he can be just as effective as some NFL QB's at gaining yards.

Matt Stafford isn't a scrambler, but Haskins can easily move just like him.


It's not about having a QB that makes huge plays running the football. It is about having a QB that makes the respect him as a run option in the passing game. That is the huge advantage of mobility.

When you do have a statue back there you can play a ton of cover 2 man as defense because you don't need to account for the QB as an option.

I think mobility is more important in the QB position than it ever has been, but give me the guy who is pass first in college. Guys that can run tend to use it as a crutch and it really hampers their progression as a passer. Lamar Jackson was a great example of this this year. Contain rush 4 and drop 7 and the guy fell to pieces. Good luck doing that against a guy that can tear you to pieces in the passing game.
RE: Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
allstarjim : 2/12/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:
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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )


I don't have anything to base this off of, but that video is from 2017, and Haskins didn't look like he was running as well last year as he did in that vid.

I will say that Peyton Manning ran "ok" at Tennessee. I never am looking for a running QB. But I think escapability, extending plays, and making off-schedule throws from a variety of platforms, those traits are huge in today's NFL. I think Haskins is a talented thrower of the football, I'm just not there as a believer...not yet, anyway.
RE: You know why I can't listen to Esiason?  
Mike from Ohio : 2/12/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14294413 jcn56 said:
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Besides the reasons in the preamble above? He never really qualifies his opinions on QBs.

He's an analyst who played the position for over a decade, and most of the analysis you get from him is no different than any other talking head on the radio. I don't need Boomer to tell me Haskins is a good guy or a winner, I need him to tell me about his throwing motion, his agility, or something else that you'd hope someone with experience could tell about the guy from watching him play.


Agree with this. I think the problem is that Boomer is not a film junkie so he has no interest in doing that. He's a guy that seems to form opinions by watching the games on TV just like any fan.
Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 11:27 am : link
if you watched Manning and Haskins and come away with the opinion that Manning was more elusive, I'd guess you didn't watch Haskins much.

He's not a scrambler, but he buys time and runs when necessarily. Isn't that the type of mobility that would be greatly appreciated here?

I keep hearing the term statue and slow feet and I just don't see it.
This is exactly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 11:30 am : link
the knock against him with his peers:

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I think the problem is that Boomer is not a film junkie so he has no interest in doing that. He's a guy that seems to form opinions by watching the games on TV just like any fan.


Boomer doesn't prepare. He shows up on set and expects to wing it because he thinks he has more knowledge than anyone else.

It has been a point of contention for those who have had to work with him for years.
Haskins may be a twitch quicker than Eli.  
SHO'NUFF : 2/12/2019 11:37 am : link
But looks slower than Stafford and Big Ben. If he's as quick as Big Ben, then that's something to talk about. But from what I've seen, it's painful. But then again, I'm shell shocked from watching Eli move in mud all these years.
RE: Haskins may be a twitch quicker than Eli.  
Giantology : 2/12/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14294443 SHO'NUFF said:
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But looks slower than Stafford and Big Ben. If he's as quick as Big Ben, then that's something to talk about. But from what I've seen, it's painful. But then again, I'm shell shocked from watching Eli move in mud all these years.


Brilliant. Going to stop reading Sy's posts and stop going to other scouting websites, we got SHO'NUFFs eyes on the top prospects and that is all one needs.
Haskins mobility is similar to Staffords and Ben's when  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 11:44 am : link
he came into the league. He'll run similar 40's and 3 cone.
RE: Wow..  
allstarjim : 2/12/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14294428 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if you watched Manning and Haskins and come away with the opinion that Manning was more elusive, I'd guess you didn't watch Haskins much.

He's not a scrambler, but he buys time and runs when necessarily. Isn't that the type of mobility that would be greatly appreciated here?

I keep hearing the term statue and slow feet and I just don't see it.


No, I'm not saying that Manning was more elusive. But if you bring old Peyton videos with the Volunteers, when he ran it reminds me of Haskins in 2018.
Good to know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 11:59 am : link
when I look at old Babe Ruth videos, he circles the bases faster than Willie Mays Hays!
RE: This is exactly..  
Eman11 : 2/12/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14294432 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the knock against him with his peers:



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I think the problem is that Boomer is not a film junkie so he has no interest in doing that. He's a guy that seems to form opinions by watching the games on TV just like any fan.



Boomer doesn't prepare. He shows up on set and expects to wing it because he thinks he has more knowledge than anyone else.

It has been a point of contention for those who have had to work with him for years.


And he's even worse with that type stuff on his morning radio/tv show on WFAN IMO. He's the only athlete on the show and never lets that fact escape his listeners or cohost/producer etc.

Look no further than his stupid "NARP" ( non athletic regular person) comments. Anytime one of the others questions his know it all thing he runs right to that. It's like he's never grown out of that star HS Quarterback big man on campus thing.

It's bad enough if he called them non athletic people and didn't respect their sports opinions because of that but what's with the "regular" thing? Can't any non athletic person be more than regular or is it only athletes who are above being a regular person?

Such a pompous douche who blasts his opinions as facts but doesn't as stated above, back it up with any real researched insight. It's hard for me unlike the OP to respect anything he says related to the Giants.
Thanks joeinpa  
ZogZerg : 2/12/2019 12:05 pm : link
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RE: Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
twostepgiants : 2/12/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:
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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )


This video is the perfect example of why size doesnít equal an injury risk. Itís how to avoid that hit, Haskins doesnít run much but gets absolutely smashed in that play. If Haskins does that in the NFL he will get hurt.

Try and find one single example of a hit like that on Kyler Murray when he runs.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 12:17 pm : link
If you Google search "Kyler Murray getting his ass kicked" you will generate zero results. It just doesn't happen.
Peyton could move a bit at Tenn  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 12:19 pm : link
But you know why he became a "statue" at the next level? Because he was an NFL pass first, second, and third pocket QB who did minimal speed training. I put statue in quotation marks because while he lost a ton of speed he still had good quick feet up until the end. You think Peyton was running wind sprints at Indy? He was working on his passing game because that is what is important when you play QB as a pocket passer.


Eli's issue is that he had good quick feet at one point, but he was never the athlete his brother was and the decline in quickness is more apparent because his baseline was lower. Eli looks like his feet are stuck in mud these days.
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Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14294495 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:


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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )



This video is the perfect example of why size doesnít equal an injury risk. Itís how to avoid that hit, Haskins doesnít run much but gets absolutely smashed in that play. If Haskins does that in the NFL he will get hurt.

Try and find one single example of a hit like that on Kyler Murray when he runs.


It was one play when he was a backup QB trying to score against Michigan, for all intents and purposes a playoff game. Haskins almost never takes hits like that because he almost never runs. I do agree with you that Kyler Murray does a great job of protecting himself when he runs. The issue with him is if his upper body will be able sustain hits in the pocket from NFL players. Namely shoulder issues and collarbone.
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allstarjim : 2/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14294510 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:


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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )



This video is the perfect example of why size doesnít equal an injury risk. Itís how to avoid that hit, Haskins doesnít run much but gets absolutely smashed in that play. If Haskins does that in the NFL he will get hurt.

Try and find one single example of a hit like that on Kyler Murray when he runs.



It was one play when he was a backup QB trying to score against Michigan, for all intents and purposes a playoff game. Haskins almost never takes hits like that because he almost never runs. I do agree with you that Kyler Murray does a great job of protecting himself when he runs. The issue with him is if his upper body will be able sustain hits in the pocket from NFL players. Namely shoulder issues and collarbone.


It's a legit concern. He doesn't have an NFL body and that's why he's not going in the top of round 1.
Some of the notions about prototypes are changing league wide  
UberAlias : 2/12/2019 12:59 pm : link
For anyone paying attention.

NYG sort of do things one way. They need a guy who can fit what they do because that's how they operate, for better or worse. Haskins seems like a fit to me, in that sense.
RE: Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:
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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )


You are correct. Anyone who claims Haskins is a statue either has not watched him or has an agenda.
RE: LOL...  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14294503 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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If you Google search "Kyler Murray getting his ass kicked" you will generate zero results. It just doesn't happen.


Just for fun, I Googled "Kyler Murray taking a hard hit" and it got results. Check out the link below.
KM crunched - ( New Window )
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Gmen1982 : 2/12/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14294332 Eman11 said:
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he's batting the same average as most guys in his position. I don't care about the Eli/Giants/Jealous angle, doesn't mean much to me. I care about what he says about the QB's, their attributes, the process of being a rookie, etc. all of which he knows about more than any of us.

He loved Mayfield, he loved Darnold, and he loves Haskins. He's definitively correct on Mayfield and probably Darnold. I don't think he's far off on Haskins.



That's fine if you don't care about his angle but the fact is he does have a bias when it comes to the Giants/Eli and it makes it tough to take anything he says about them as being objective.

He can say he's objective all he wants but anyone who's listened to him enough knows that's not the case when it comes to the Giants/Eli.


I've heard him praise Eli just as much as attack him. Maybe some of you don't listen objectively.
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arcarsenal : 2/12/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14294566 mrvax said:
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If you Google search "Kyler Murray getting his ass kicked" you will generate zero results. It just doesn't happen.



Just for fun, I Googled "Kyler Murray taking a hard hit" and it got results. Check out the link below. KM crunched - ( New Window )


Pff.. fake news. He never gets hit!
RE: it's painful watching Haskins move  
arcarsenal : 2/12/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14294402 SHO'NUFF said:
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if you guys want 10-15 more years of statues in the pocket, jump on board the Haskins train.


Patriots fans seem to have really hated it all these years...
Saying things like he never gets hit in a game like football  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 1:46 pm : link
is completely asinine. He does a phenomenal job in the run game not taking hits. It's the hits like the one linked to above that worry me. He barely got hit like that in pocket all year, but in the NFL he'll take 1 or 2 of those hits a week.
And the link above for reference he wasn't hit all that hard  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 1:51 pm : link
but you have a 300 lb plus man coming down on him with all his weight it just seems like it's a shoulder injury waiting to happen.
I'm in on Haskins at this point. I think he'll tear it up  
Blue21 : 2/12/2019 2:04 pm : link
at the combine. Good chance he may not be there at 6. But if he is I hope Giants grab him. Yes it's a chance. But 2020 who knows where they pick. They would probably have to give up the farm if they find someone willing. So the risk would be even more no matter who they got. Then that would could be real QB hell. No guarantee on any QB at 1 ever. Maybe Haskins won't be a Rodgers, or Peyton or Brady but if he turns into a Big Ben (without the character flaws) I'd take it in a heart beat. Could he be worse? Yep. But so could any of them.
RE: And the link above for reference he wasn't hit all that hard  
twostepgiants : 2/12/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14294591 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but you have a 300 lb plus man coming down on him with all his weight it just seems like it's a shoulder injury waiting to happen.


That hit, which didnít hurt him and would be a penalty in NFL (meaning no QB is supposed to take that hit) - was by a 295 lb DL Quinnen Williams who is projected to be at top of draft.

Thus proving he can take these types of hits in NFL.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2019 2:19 pm : link
OK then.
RE: it's painful watching Haskins move  
Deejboy : 2/12/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14294402 SHO'NUFF said:
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if you guys want 10-15 more years of statues in the pocket, jump on board the Haskins train.

You might be the first person I ever heard describing Haskins as a statue and that watching him move as painful. Are you sure you were watching the Dwayne Haskins who played for Ohio State? Cause watching him move is certainly not painful. He is a pocket passer. Sam Darnold ran a 4.85 40 time. Baker Mayfield ran a 4.84. Josh Rosen ran a 4.92. I think Haskins can run as well or better than those guys.
RE: Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
RobCarpenter : 2/12/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:
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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )


I'll say this for Haskins - I was more impressed with his 2017 performance vs. Michigan than 2018, b/c he came off the bench in 2017 and led the team in a come from behind victory making some throws in very tight windows (on that same drive):

Haskins accuracy is amazing and his ball position as well.  
VinegarPeppers : 2/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
He's the perfect QB for a team loaded with playmakers. First, he's not 5'9, he's 6'3. He's also a life long Giants fan...a local kid.

The kid will need to learn the progressions of the pro game, but Eli will be a great experience for him.

I'll never understand mobility as a first priority, even though Haskins has plenty. He's not an athletic freak but he's a good athlete. His accuracy and ball placement is freakish though.

He sits behind Eli for a season and steps in for 12+ years.
'Boomer though believe Giants will have to move up to get him'...  
Torrag : 2/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
Boomer is right about that.
RE: RE: And the link above for reference he wasn't hit all that hard  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14294607 twostepgiants said:
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but you have a 300 lb plus man coming down on him with all his weight it just seems like it's a shoulder injury waiting to happen.



That hit, which didnít hurt him and would be a penalty in NFL (meaning no QB is supposed to take that hit) - was by a 295 lb DL Quinnen Williams who is projected to be at top of draft.

Thus proving he can take these types of hits in NFL.


One - he didn't hit him in a way that would separate his shoulder, the brunt of his weight fell on his helmet. The hits that do that tend to be when the qb falls with his shoulders perpendicular to the ground with weight falling on top. Two - a sample size of one (not that even is 1) doesn't prove anything.
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Eman11 : 2/12/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14294575 Gmen1982 said:
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he's batting the same average as most guys in his position. I don't care about the Eli/Giants/Jealous angle, doesn't mean much to me. I care about what he says about the QB's, their attributes, the process of being a rookie, etc. all of which he knows about more than any of us.

He loved Mayfield, he loved Darnold, and he loves Haskins. He's definitively correct on Mayfield and probably Darnold. I don't think he's far off on Haskins.



That's fine if you don't care about his angle but the fact is he does have a bias when it comes to the Giants/Eli and it makes it tough to take anything he says about them as being objective.

He can say he's objective all he wants but anyone who's listened to him enough knows that's not the case when it comes to the Giants/Eli.



I've heard him praise Eli just as much as attack him. Maybe some of you don't listen objectively.


Maybe you just haven't listened to him enough. His anti Eli bias is a running gag on his show even though he continues to insist he doesn't have one.

Eg, today when he started in on the Haskins thing his own board op dropped in one of his classic drops of a hammer being banged on a table with Boomer's voice saying Eli sucks played over it. Meaning here we go again with the Eli bashing, Everyone on the show got it and laughed except Boomer who went on his lame "NARP" call out of the guys in his show.
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SHO'NUFF : 2/12/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14294445 Giantology said:
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But looks slower than Stafford and Big Ben. If he's as quick as Big Ben, then that's something to talk about. But from what I've seen, it's painful. But then again, I'm shell shocked from watching Eli move in mud all these years.



Brilliant. Going to stop reading Sy's posts and stop going to other scouting websites, we got SHO'NUFFs eyes on the top prospects and that is all one needs.


Very funny, guy. At what point do I say MY observation is the ultimate analysis and my word is law?
RE: Dwayne Haskins isn't a statue....I don't know how many times  
Pan-handler : 2/12/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14294405 Zeke's Alibi said:
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this has to be said. He is a pocket passer who always looks pass first. This can't be said enough. Watch the video in the link than tell me the guy is a statue. I keep seeing you say this like it's some sort of fact when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. Link - ( New Window )


Haskins is not an elite scrambler by any stretch but he's plenty more mobile than Eli.
Who?  
Paulie Walnuts : 2/12/2019 7:55 pm : link
via Imgflip Meme Generator
If Haskins is the Real Thing  
Samiam : 2/12/2019 8:01 pm : link
He wonít be there at 6. If heís there at 6, heís probably not the real thing. What Iím wondering is if some team will decide that Murray represents the next generation QB given his athletic ability & grabs him before Haskins
RE: If Haskins is the Real Thing  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14294902 Samiam said:
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He wonít be there at 6. If heís there at 6, heís probably not the real thing. What Iím wondering is if some team will decide that Murray represents the next generation QB given his athletic ability & grabs him before Haskins


So Mahomes isn't the real thing. Desaun Watson isn't the real thing. This is very faulty thinking.
This thread screams to me why the opinions on BBI  
Jimmy Googs : 2/12/2019 10:08 pm : link
are so laughable relative to whether (fill in the blank name) will be good, bad or indifferent as the next NY Giant QB.

I am not stating that I know better than you all, but I also don't make some of these ridiculous assertions you all do based on a few video clips, isolated games watched and group-think posts you all rely upon in portraying your views.

With that said though, we sure as shit need a new QB so maybe one of you blind squirrels will find a nut out there too...

RE: If Haskins is the Real Thing  
Ssanders9816 : 2/12/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14294902 Samiam said:
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He wonít be there at 6. If heís there at 6, heís probably not the real thing. What Iím wondering is if some team will decide that Murray represents the next generation QB given his athletic ability & grabs him before Haskins


This is some of the worst logic ever. Like in the history of mankind.
Paulie  
joeinpa : 2/13/2019 7:11 am : link
Same amount of rings as Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Phillip Rivers, and a host of other pretty fair quarterbacks
I wanted a QB last year at #2...  
bw in dc : 2/13/2019 7:24 am : link
and want one this year at #6.

Iíve tried very hard to convince myself someone is worth the stretch, but, alas, no one is worth the investment at #6 this year. Every damn one of these guys has a part of their game that is a major question mark.

Trade down or wait until the second round to take the risk.
make decisions on a guy based on a 5 minute youtube clip.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 8:27 am : link
"I didn't like what I saw"

Ok, pro scout.
Wait, which QB last year didn't have  
Chris684 : 2/13/2019 9:49 am : link
a fairly large question mark?
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