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Film Room: Saquon Barkley's incredible rookie season...

M.S. : 2/12/2019 1:15 pm

...from Samuel Gold.

Very interesting analysis with some very good footage.

My bottom-line take-away: Saquon Barkley had a Hall of Fame rookie year. There's simply nothing like him in the NFL today.

Incidentally, Samuel Gold's bottom-line comparison between Barkley vs Gurley: While Gurley was the best "mistake-free" running back in 2018, Barkley made more plays on his own.


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Barkley is the best running back I've ever seen...  
x meadowlander : 2/12/2019 1:46 pm : link
...and I don't give such compliments lightly.

If the kid can stay healthy, Marshall Faulk's single-season, all-purpose yardage record could easily be toast this coming season.

So glad he's a Giant. I wanted a QB, and as usual on such matters, I was wrong. :)
RE: Barkley is the best running back I've ever seen...  
cjac : 2/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14294586 x meadowlander said:
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...and I don't give such compliments lightly.

If the kid can stay healthy, Marshall Faulk's single-season, all-purpose yardage record could easily be toast this coming season.

So glad he's a Giant. I wanted a QB, and as usual on such matters, I was wrong. :)


Can you imagine if we took Darnold and Barkley was doing this for the Jets?
As Others Have Noted, Sterling  
clatterbuck : 2/12/2019 1:59 pm : link
Shephard's down-field blocking is superb and is on display in this video.
That would be horrible...  
x meadowlander : 2/12/2019 2:01 pm : link
...when I saw the Penn State highlight reels, I thought - "yeah, I've seen 1,000 highlight reels like this, wait til' he gets to the NFL".

He elevated his performance when he got to the NFL.

What if he ISN'T DONE IMPROVING?

Think about THAT! :D
I always thought OJ was the best pure RB  
JerseyCityJoe : 2/12/2019 2:15 pm : link
No one in IMO was better when you just handed him the ball and let him run. Not the best running back mine you but the best at just handling the rock. This kid is making me reevaluate that position.
RE: Barkley is the best running back I've ever seen...  
Brown Recluse : 2/12/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14294586 x meadowlander said:
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...and I don't give such compliments lightly.

If the kid can stay healthy, Marshall Faulk's single-season, all-purpose yardage record could easily be toast this coming season.

So glad he's a Giant. I wanted a QB, and as usual on such matters, I was wrong. :)


You never saw Barry Sanders play?
Were OJ and Sanders as good receivers as Barkley  
Ira : 2/12/2019 2:48 pm : link
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RE: Were OJ and Sanders as good receivers as Barkley  
Brown Recluse : 2/12/2019 3:14 pm : link
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Who knows? Sanders certainly had good hands though. A RB's primary responsibility is to run the ball. And no one has ever done that better than Barry Sanders. I love Saquon and take nothing away from his performance, but it seems a bit premature to start in with the "he's the best ever" stuff.
RE: RE: Were OJ and Sanders as good receivers as Barkley  
Boatie Warrant : 2/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14294671 Brown Recluse said:
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Who knows? Sanders certainly had good hands though. A RB's primary responsibility is to run the ball. And no one has ever done that better than Barry Sanders. I love Saquon and take nothing away from his performance, but it seems a bit premature to start in with the "he's the best ever" stuff.


I agree it is too early to say he is the best ever. But it will be great watching him prove he is that player for many years to come. (baring injury of course)
RE: Were OJ and Sanders as good receivers as Barkley  
81_Great_Dane : 2/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14294636 Ira said:
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It's been a long time but I recall OJ being an ok receiver but so good a rusher that he wasn't used much that way -- at least, not after his first idiot coach in Buffalo tried to turn him into a wide receiver.

I think if you were playing OJ's Bills, you would rather have OJ running a pattern than getting the ball in the backfield. But I don't remember him being like Earl Campbell, who was basically useless in the passing game and so would often come out of the game when the Oilers were trailing and had to pass.
OJ could catch a swing pass  
JerseyCityJoe : 2/12/2019 4:23 pm : link
as good as most but no way was he as talented as a receiver as many others. As I remember him anyway.
RE: Barkley is the best running back I've ever seen...  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14294586 x meadowlander said:
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...and I don't give such compliments lightly.

If the kid can stay healthy, Marshall Faulk's single-season, all-purpose yardage record could easily be toast this coming season.

So glad he's a Giant. I wanted a QB, and as usual on such matters, I was wrong. :)


Chris Johnson owns that record now. It's a forgone conclusion Barkley breaks that as long as he stays healthy. The question is by how much? The only thing holding him back is touch management. We had idiots last year having a stroke every time Barkley got taken out of the game, like this is Madden and we can give him 50 touches a game with no repercussions.
Nothing wrong with wanting a qb  
djm : 2/12/2019 6:17 pm : link
We’ll get one soon enough. Just glad we got Barkley. Sometimes the fun easy pick is the right one.
He's like a combination of Barry Sanders  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/12/2019 6:44 pm : link
And Jesus.
RE: I always thought OJ was the best pure RB  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/12/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14294610 JerseyCityJoe said:
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No one in IMO was better when you just handed him the ball and let him run. Not the best running back mine you but the best at just handling the rock. This kid is making me reevaluate that position.

Parcells 3-4 two gap was designed primarily to defend against the big slashy can break one anytime RBs that were around then, like the two OJs and Dickerson. It's a bend but don't break type run D. Seen teams returning to the 2 gap towards the end of the year against SB, he's similar.
RE: RE: Barkley is the best running back I've ever seen...  
EricJ : 2/12/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14294599 cjac said:
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Can you imagine if we took Darnold and Barkley was doing this for the Jets?


Yeah, it is like when I order the fish at a restaurant and someone else got the chicken parm... and I keep looking over at his plate.
I'll keep saying it  
USAF NYG Fan : 2/13/2019 5:44 am : link
The run game is making a comeback despite it being a passing league and we have the best one. Backs like Gurley, Zeke, and Barkley are evidence of that. Solid run games are making Prescott and Goff look better than they really are. Better defenses are helping them immensely too.

Despite it being a "passing league", and it is, the run still sets up the pass better than vice versa. The run game still helps control the clock. It still wears down defenses more than the pass while resting their own defense. Every QB plays better off of play-action and Eli even more than most. Whether it's Eli or a rookie, having a solid run game works wonders for a QB. Goff is developing with Gurley and a solid OL and Dak is developing with Prescott and a solid OL.

Despite that, I'm still leaning towards a pass rusher in the draft. I'm hoping for OL help in FA and later rounds. The strength of this draft is on defense and Giants need to take advantage of that.

As to Barkley getting too many touches and shortening his career, for some reason I don't agree. Now I don't mean to get ridiculous with giving him the ball all the time but I most definitely think he's an every down back and can handle that load. Something tells me he can take it. He's always working on improving and staying healthy. It's one of the first things he talks to other past backs about, staying healthy. His head is on straight and is perfect for the NY media. I think he's going to be a high productive Giant for a very long time (at least for a RB). He will break more records along the way. I think he will be the 4th back to break 15K yards before it's done. Breaking Emmitt Smith's record would be a tall order (18,355) but I do think we will see Barkley play at a high level for the next decade and will remain a Giant his whole career.

Despite all the accolades we all give him, I still don't think we truly appreciate how perfect he is for this team now and for the future.
I watched some of his HS high lights yesterday.  
Jerz44 : 2/13/2019 6:38 am : link
They look the same.

He's making NFL players look like his high school competition.
RE: I'll keep saying it  
giants#1 : 2/13/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14295088 USAF NYG Fan said:
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Breaking Emmitt Smith's record would be a tall order (18,355) but I do think we will see Barkley play at a high level for the next decade and will remain a Giant his whole career.



Barkley's versatility could work against him there. Ideally, you want to get him 5-7 receptions/game (at least) to give him some open field to work in. That probably leads to them trying to keep his rushing touches closer to 18-20 per game rather than 25+ that Emmitt saw.
emmitt smith averaged  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2019 8:54 am : link
311 carries per year with Dallas in the "pre-concussion" era. Barkley and any other RB has virtually no chance to break his rushing records because of the difference in game both in style and safety.

Total yards is a different story. Barkley has almost as many receiving yards as Smith did in his first 3 seasons. Still a tall order but possible.
Smith also only had one season  
giants#1 : 2/13/2019 10:04 am : link
with a ypc > 4.7. Barkley just averaged 5.0 ypc behind a mediocre (at best) OL and (IIRC) was actually considerably above that mark until the final few games when Beckham didn't play.

Give Barkley an average OL and a healthy Beckham drawing some of the D's attention for 16 games and I wouldn't be surprised to see him approach 6.0 ypc.
Sanders..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2019 10:14 am : link
best season as a receiver was 48 catches and he was 4th on the team.

But it was a different time. We didn't see the 80 reception RB as a common thing until the past 15 years.
The reason i like him  
Now Mike in MD : 2/13/2019 11:44 am : link
More than sanders is that after shurmur and the staff spoke with him he was willing to accept the 2 to 3 yards run and want as boom or bust as sanders. He also runs with more power
best I have ever seen  
bc4life : 2/13/2019 6:04 pm : link
Better than Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, OJ Simpson.
should have inserted  
bc4life : 2/13/2019 6:05 pm : link
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