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NFT: First female F-16 demo team pilot relieved of Command...

BamaBlue : 2/12/2019 2:51 pm


Two weeks after assuming command of the F-16 Viper Demonstration Team, Capt Zoe Kotnik was relieved (fired).

The reason for the action to relieve her was not stated due to privacy concerns.
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BleedBlue : 2/12/2019 2:54 pm : link
mmmm maybe she slept with somebody?
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26.2 : 2/12/2019 2:57 pm : link
“Col. Derek O’Malley, 20th Fighter Wing commander, relieved Capt. Zoe Kotnik from command Feb. 11 due to a loss of confidence in her ability to lead and command the Air Combat Command F-16 Viper demonstration team,” said Col. Allen Herritage, director of public affairs at ACC, in a statement. “
She was too hot for the sky  
#10* : 2/12/2019 2:57 pm : link
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Thumbs, obviously  
jcn56 : 2/12/2019 2:59 pm : link
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Couldn't convince them that she is a Kree  
81_Great_Dane : 2/12/2019 3:05 pm : link
and that Skrulls have infiltrated Earth?




I know this is serious but I couldn't resist.
What do you think?  
EricJ : 2/12/2019 3:12 pm : link
Crest white strips?
obviously  
Doomster : 2/12/2019 3:16 pm : link
porcelain veneers....
u guys  
sshin05 : 2/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
realize that photo is heavily photoshopped? That being said, she's not ugly.
Thumbs & Ears  
Jim Bur(n)t : 2/12/2019 3:36 pm : link
Pass
She's probably far cooler, fah  
idiotsavant : 2/12/2019 3:47 pm : link
Smahta, strongah, bravah than you-lot.

😋.
Her ego may have been writing checks  
St. Jimmy : 2/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
her body couldn't cash.
what exactly is involved  
ron mexico : 2/12/2019 4:08 pm : link
in leading a team that performs at airshows?
It's unfortunate that the story won't come out...  
Dunedin81 : 2/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
at least not initially, and so plenty of speculation will ensue.
it's her fault  
CardinalX : 2/12/2019 4:30 pm : link
if she was dog bone ugly, there wouldn't be any dpeculation or conversation about it at all. at least on BBI. she only has herself to blame
Wonder if she buzzed the tower  
Hsilwek92 : 2/12/2019 5:06 pm : link
while the pattern was full?
I'm guessing....  
jnoble : 2/12/2019 5:19 pm : link
..she kept landing her plane in mall parking lots to go shopping. There's a sale at Pennys! <---Johnny from Airplane voice
RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 2/12/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14294644 BleedBlue said:
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mmmm maybe she slept with somebody?


That’s the situation I’m picturing.
more likely  
fkap : 2/12/2019 5:52 pm : link
she refused to continue the tradition of sexually harassing others, and that's a precedent that can't be tolerated.
Law and Order S8 E3  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/12/2019 6:00 pm : link
Same situation. She wasn't very good at landing on a carrier. Of course she didn't help herself by whacking her boyfriend on Jack McCoy's watch.

RE: Law and Order S8 E3  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14294824 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Same situation. She wasn't very good at landing on a carrier. Of course she didn't help herself by whacking her boyfriend on Jack McCoy's watch.



Carrier landings are done by the Navy & USMC pilots.
My guess she was "fraternizing" with an enlisted. It would have to be pretty bad to be relieved of command after only 2 weeks.
It was stated that she made numerous mistakes  
widmerseyebrow : 2/12/2019 8:31 pm : link
Maybe she's just not that good?
RE: more likely  
bradshaw44 : 2/12/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14294822 fkap said:
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she refused to continue the tradition of sexually harassing others, and that's a precedent that can't be tolerated.


Yea that must be it. So promote her just to stick it to her.
Lol to all the people automatically assuming she was banging airmen.  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/12/2019 8:53 pm : link
As a veteran myself I think it would be more likely that she proved inept. The military loves pushing anything female for the PR.
RE: Lol to all the people automatically assuming she was banging airmen.  
sober297 : 2/12/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14294952 Zeke's Alibi said:
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As a veteran myself I think it would be more likely that she proved inept. The military loves pushing anything female for the PR.

I believe this is what happened, she was promoted because of her gender, not her ability to lead the squadron. U.S. Military is a petrie dish for social justice experiments, now, not when I served in the early 80's.
she has a bigger gig now  
spike : 2/12/2019 9:54 pm : link
Bravo  
Hsilwek92 : 2/12/2019 10:00 pm : link
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I was in the Navy in the 80's  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
but some things don't change. It takes a long time to relieve someone for incompetence. Even if she made some huge error such as a security violation or a loss of equipment there would be an investigation that would take weeks during which time she might be informally grounded at worst.

To be formally relieved this quickly, especially for a female can mean only one thing: She was screwing somebody she shouldn't have been screwing.
Why does it matter  
spike : 2/12/2019 10:12 pm : link
Who she’s doing
90%  
jtfuoco : 2/12/2019 10:15 pm : link
Of the time people getting relieved is due to sexual situations.
RE: Lol to all the people automatically assuming she was banging airmen.  
mrvax : 2/12/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14294952 Zeke's Alibi said:
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As a veteran myself I think it would be more likely that she proved inept. The military loves pushing anything female for the PR.


I agree and served 4 in The Corps myself. If she was a token promo, don't you think the persons responsible would have waited more than just 2 weeks to admit they messed up?

That's a big screw up if true.
If she was a token promo  
compton : 2/12/2019 11:05 pm : link
she would be given more than 2 weeks to prove herself. For her wings to be yanked that hard and fast it has to be for something the Armed Forces have a zero tolerance policy about. Sexual relationship with a married person would do it especially if you are a junior officer. Her making mistakes only make the decision to axe her easier and quicker. Her commanding officer probably didn't want her and the ducks for removing her lined up neatly and quickly.
RE: If she was a token promo  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/12/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14295031 compton said:
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she would be given more than 2 weeks to prove herself. For her wings to be yanked that hard and fast it has to be for something the Armed Forces have a zero tolerance policy about. Sexual relationship with a jmarried person would do it especially if you are a junior officer. Her making mistakes only make the decision to axe her easier and quicker. Her commanding officer probably didn't want her and the ducks for removing her lined up neatly and quickly.

She didn’t have her wings pulled. She was relieved from command.
Serious question  
Hsilwek92 : 2/12/2019 11:57 pm : link
Is there a bigger photo? I’m thinking about getting one of those wall decal things and, don’t want it to look all pixelated.
RE: RE: If she was a token promo  
Dunedin81 : 2/13/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14295035 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 14295031 compton said:


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she would be given more than 2 weeks to prove herself. For her wings to be yanked that hard and fast it has to be for something the Armed Forces have a zero tolerance policy about. Sexual relationship with a jmarried person would do it especially if you are a junior officer. Her making mistakes only make the decision to axe her easier and quicker. Her commanding officer probably didn't want her and the ducks for removing her lined up neatly and quickly.


She didn’t have her wings pulled. She was relieved from command.


Also possible it was something that happened prior to her taking of command. Eg there was some ongoing investigation or something and when they ran with the story of her taking command someone said "oh shit" and here we are. Again, this is one scenario where the military's limited transparency in such matters just fuels the speculation. Someone will FOIA it down the road and if we still care we'll get more of the story.
There is no way this is a competency issue...  
BamaBlue : 2/13/2019 9:18 am : link
the Viper team is a high visibility position and there is a lot of background done prior to assignment. Magnify this by whatever factor, because this is the first Woman on the team and the first Woman to command the team.

I've seen a fair share of reliefs of command during my 22 year career in the Army. A relief in the first 2 weeks after assumption is highly unusual. There is either a serious moral issue, hardship, or health issue involved.

I suspect there is a moral issue that would not only embarrass the Captain, but embarrass the Viper team and the Air Force. This is almost always adultery, which the military continues to take very seriously. The silence is the hope that all of this goes away...
RE: 90%  
bradshaw44 : 2/13/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14295004 jtfuoco said:
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Of the time people getting relieved is due to sexual situations.


Isn't that the whole purpose of sex? :o)

Meh...  
Dunedin81 : 2/13/2019 10:55 am : link
"Sexual situations" certainly account for some relief, but things like failing to properly investigate the misconduct of others (including but not limited to allegations of sexual misconduct) account for a good deal more and misuse of resources is often an issue in senior leader misconduct.
I  
npd4432 : 2/13/2019 5:42 pm : link
Would.
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