with the kind of player he has become is can they find a way to use all the weapon they have in this offense effectively or efficiently? In your TE summary you mentioned that EE really came on after the bye week - was it the bye week or after OBJ went down?
I don't have time to watch the all 22 tape or anything like that, so I can't prove or disprove my theory...it just seems that with SB, EE, SS, and OBJ you would figure that someone would be open on literally every play. Is it possible to have too many weapons at the skill positions?
Is it even possible to devise a game plan in which every guy "gets theres"?
This may be the year that the Giants cut Ellison and draft a decent Â
makes a very reasonable salary and is a good tough football player. Why the heck would he be cut? I keep reading that. He’s the perfect TE for this offense.
played at the end of the season gives hope he can blossom like Ebron has.
I think Shurmur's offense will help him become the receiving threat we have expected. He's also still making the transition from being a WR to a TE, and the glimpses at the end of the season were encouraging.
When's the last time we had a TE who could legitimately be the leading receiver in games?
makes a very reasonable salary and is a good tough football player. Why the heck would he be cut? I keep reading that. He’s the perfect TE for this offense.
Not saying he will be cut, but I thought his blocking was average at best, and sometime worse, in 2018. He's actually a better receiver than advertised, but he's got to block better to be "perfect" for this offense.
True blocking TE whose only other requirement would be reliable hands. Anything else, such as sub 4.8 (which is enough to threaten the seam) would be bonus.
EE plays all downs. H-back on run downs/TE on pass downs. New guy plays run downs only.
This is about maximizing SB as a runner, and maximizing the matchup problems that SB, OBJ, and EE cause when on the field together.
Amazing we don't have TE's that can block....... Â
EE's problem is the same as last year and the beginning of this year......forcing him to run short patterns across the field....in the second half they had him run more seam patterns.....he is not quick out of his breaks, so if you have him running across the field, he is concentrating on making the catch, and he does not have the ability to turn on a dime to go upfield......that's why he is more dangerous doing seam patterns or deep slants, where he doesn't lose a step after catching the ball...as for his , it hasn't improved in 2 seasons....it is what it is...
Could Ellison be cut? Absolutely.....you don't a keep a guy with almost a 6M cap for less than average blocking and an occasional catch....I mean, you shouldn't exxpect this guy to whiff on blocks, his main job, but he has.....
Simonson? How many times did Eli try to force passes to this guy near the goal line and failed? His blocking isn't really that good, but he does better for holding calls than blocking......
With Barkley, a blocking TE is almost a must, to prevent SB from dodging guys in the backfield...
during the final quarter of the season. He looked much more confident and physical during that stretch. I'm not talking about his blocking as much as his attitude to just put his head down and blast through the defense. To me he looked like a different guy. I believe we may be in for a breakout season from him next season.
Is the blocking. Either his blocking has to improve or the Giants OL blocking needs to improve to the point where a TE does not have to be inline. Engram is essentially a big slot. Because right now, we have a TE that can't be relied on to block and a slot WR that can't be relied on the outside. They're redundant and will result in one or both of them being underutilized. It's compounded by the fact that they have a keeper in Penny and we had some success out of 21 personnel.
I really think we should stop trying to force Engram into being something he's not and deal him or Shep.
with the way Engram finished the year. He came on strong and showed what a huge weapon he could be if he can stay healthy. I look forward to seeing what he does next season.
As for Ellison I think he should be released if the Giants add a replacement in FA or the draft. Ellison was supposed to be a great blocker but he really struggled at times last season.
he played some of his best games as a pro he has had some
key drops but the arrow is pointing up and I would also
use a pick on a on a TE later in the draft say
4th ot 5th round its a good drat for TE . Get another
player with 6'5" 265 type guy to add some competition.
Passing out of 12 personnel was a full yard/pass more efficient than 11 personnel in 2018. Tight end is an area where I would try to get bigger and stronger through the draft and free agency. This is supposedly a strong TE draft.
Is not a TE, he's a glorified big possession WR who lines up at TE far too often. He simply can't block on the edge and teams know it.
I do not think we know what Engram is yet. He has just started to perform in the NFL, let alone in Shurmur's O. And his blocking is improving. He is big enough to block effectively with better technique and more strength as he matures, IMO. 6'3" 245# is not undersized. It's not Gronk, but it's not small.
with the kind of player he has become is can they find a way to use all the weapon they have in this offense effectively or efficiently? In your TE summary you mentioned that EE really came on after the bye week - was it the bye week or after OBJ went down?
I don't have time to watch the all 22 tape or anything like that, so I can't prove or disprove my theory...it just seems that with SB, EE, SS, and OBJ you would figure that someone would be open on literally every play. Is it possible to have too many weapons at the skill positions?
Is it even possible to devise a game plan in which every guy "gets theres"?
I'm not an analyst or even particularly knowledgeable when it comes to the game of football, but I watch a lot of all-22 tape. I have seen many plays where no receivers are wide open. They may be a half-step open, but defenses seem to be very well designed and coached and the routes may not all be ideal for defeating all the different types of coverages.
This isn't unique to the Giants either, from what I can tell. It does seem that Shurmur's offense did a pretty good job of creating opportunities on most plays overall, imo.
I thought TE was rock solid coming into the season Â
but that was not the case. The TEs were disappointing. I expected Ellison to be a blocking demon and decent in the pass game. He is not a blocking demon, nowhere close. And Engram disappointed. He can't block. He's willing but he can't do it.
I know it sounds crazy, but I would not be surprised if the Giants select Hockenson at #6. I'm not saying they are going to do it, I'm only saying that Hockenson at #6 would not be a surprise to me. It fixes the TE situation, in all likelihood, for years to come. And it makes the OL better immediately, because this guy can block. A true inline TE would make this team much better.
makes a very reasonable salary and is a good tough football player. Why the heck would he be cut? I keep reading that. He’s the perfect TE for this offense.
A very reasonable salary? He's expensive for a backup, especially with a team that needs to free up cap space where it can. I think he'll be cut or asked to take a pay cut.
Also, this is supposedly a deep draft for TE's and the Giants could potentially get a rookie to do what Ellison does for peanuts.
I recall that Simonson was called for holding a ton Â
The majority of pass catching TE cant/dont block. Watch a game and see how often they are in a pattern vs on the LOS blocking. Kelce, Ertz, Kittle generally are lined up 1 step off the LOS and not in a stance. Get a better RT and utilize EE where he can create mismatches and put pressure on the defense. in 2 years he is avg 11.9 per reception - very good for a TE
Ellison was supposed to be this excellent blocker, but i just don't see it. You can move on from him
The Colts had no complaints about Ebron's lack of blocking skill with his 13 td's. I can see Engram making a similar impact. He's a tweener between a TE and a large WR so he is best used trying to create mismatches where defenders his size can't stay with him and he can overpower defenders who can stay with him. It looks like the coaching staff was getting a handle on his abilities in the second half.
Ellison is a going-on-31 year old slug who was so good as a TE that the Vikings were trying to make him into a fullback. He got a contract absolutely no other team would have given him out of Reese, who had to be high when he made the offer. He's due $4.5 million in salary this season. (People bitch about Eli's cap hit and don't say a thing about this guy.) Cut him, take the $2.5 million cap hit, save the $4.5 million salary and move on. You can find the same thing on the waiver wire for a lot less.
I don't have time to watch the all 22 tape or anything like that, so I can't prove or disprove my theory...it just seems that with SB, EE, SS, and OBJ you would figure that someone would be open on literally every play. Is it possible to have too many weapons at the skill positions?
Is it even possible to devise a game plan in which every guy "gets theres"?
I think Shurmur's offense will help him become the receiving threat we have expected. He's also still making the transition from being a WR to a TE, and the glimpses at the end of the season were encouraging.
When's the last time we had a TE who could legitimately be the leading receiver in games?
Not saying he will be cut, but I thought his blocking was average at best, and sometime worse, in 2018. He's actually a better receiver than advertised, but he's got to block better to be "perfect" for this offense.
EE plays all downs. H-back on run downs/TE on pass downs. New guy plays run downs only.
This is about maximizing SB as a runner, and maximizing the matchup problems that SB, OBJ, and EE cause when on the field together.
Could Ellison be cut? Absolutely.....you don't a keep a guy with almost a 6M cap for less than average blocking and an occasional catch....I mean, you shouldn't exxpect this guy to whiff on blocks, his main job, but he has.....
Simonson? How many times did Eli try to force passes to this guy near the goal line and failed? His blocking isn't really that good, but he does better for holding calls than blocking......
With Barkley, a blocking TE is almost a must, to prevent SB from dodging guys in the backfield...
I really think we should stop trying to force Engram into being something he's not and deal him or Shep.
As for Ellison I think he should be released if the Giants add a replacement in FA or the draft. Ellison was supposed to be a great blocker but he really struggled at times last season.
key drops but the arrow is pointing up and I would also
use a pick on a on a TE later in the draft say
4th ot 5th round its a good drat for TE . Get another
player with 6'5" 265 type guy to add some competition.
How many times - WR, WR, WR ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeKZTcKS9Uw
He is not a possession receiver at all as he can take it to the house
I do not think we know what Engram is yet. He has just started to perform in the NFL, let alone in Shurmur's O. And his blocking is improving. He is big enough to block effectively with better technique and more strength as he matures, IMO. 6'3" 245# is not undersized. It's not Gronk, but it's not small.
I don't have time to watch the all 22 tape or anything like that, so I can't prove or disprove my theory...it just seems that with SB, EE, SS, and OBJ you would figure that someone would be open on literally every play. Is it possible to have too many weapons at the skill positions?
Is it even possible to devise a game plan in which every guy "gets theres"?
I'm not an analyst or even particularly knowledgeable when it comes to the game of football, but I watch a lot of all-22 tape. I have seen many plays where no receivers are wide open. They may be a half-step open, but defenses seem to be very well designed and coached and the routes may not all be ideal for defeating all the different types of coverages.
This isn't unique to the Giants either, from what I can tell. It does seem that Shurmur's offense did a pretty good job of creating opportunities on most plays overall, imo.
I know it sounds crazy, but I would not be surprised if the Giants select Hockenson at #6. I'm not saying they are going to do it, I'm only saying that Hockenson at #6 would not be a surprise to me. It fixes the TE situation, in all likelihood, for years to come. And it makes the OL better immediately, because this guy can block. A true inline TE would make this team much better.
A very reasonable salary? He's expensive for a backup, especially with a team that needs to free up cap space where it can. I think he'll be cut or asked to take a pay cut.
Also, this is supposedly a deep draft for TE's and the Giants could potentially get a rookie to do what Ellison does for peanuts.
Ellison was supposed to be this excellent blocker, but i just don't see it. You can move on from him
Ellison is a going-on-31 year old slug who was so good as a TE that the Vikings were trying to make him into a fullback. He got a contract absolutely no other team would have given him out of Reese, who had to be high when he made the offer. He's due $4.5 million in salary this season. (People bitch about Eli's cap hit and don't say a thing about this guy.) Cut him, take the $2.5 million cap hit, save the $4.5 million salary and move on. You can find the same thing on the waiver wire for a lot less.