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dep026 : 2/13/2019 11:18 am
1. Lebron wants to own a team. Mixed feelings on this. He sure as hell can ruin teams and franchises. But he will be popular and his prescensce continuing with the league will suck.

2. AD with a 1-9 effort. Good for him. His teammates should call him out now.

3. Joel Embiid owned again by Horford, and then calls out the officials. Weird.

4. Lakers lose to Atlanta. Would be awesome if they missed the playoffs.
The Jazz-Warriors was a good game last night  
jdf : 2/13/2019 11:25 am : link
Jazz were up by 7 in the 4th quarter before the Warriors came back to win. Jazz are 5-3 against the Warriors in their last 8 games and understand how to defend them: guard the three-point line and let Gobert clean up any penetration.

There are good games in the Western conference just about every night this season, and the top of the East is just as competitive.
LeBron would definitely be a meddling, annoying owner  
Anakim : 2/13/2019 11:25 am : link
But he for sure would be better than Dolan
LBJ is a horrible  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 11:31 am : link
talent evaluator. He'd be MJ 2.0 in terms of management.
76ers Celts was  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 11:32 am : link
fun last night. Horford is a pain in Embiid's ass.
#4 would be absolutely brilliant...  
bw in dc : 2/13/2019 11:38 am : link
LBJ's act is so old and tiresome.

The best thing about the Sixers-Celtics game is the Celtics continue to play better without Kyrie. Kyrie is one of the more overrated players in the league...



Hate LeBron all you want  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 11:43 am : link
And I’ve grown sick of his GM shit too.

But you’re crazy if you’d rather see the Warriors play the Kings or Clippers over the Lakers in the first round.
RE: Hate LeBron all you want  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14295433 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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And I’ve grown sick of his GM shit too.

But you’re crazy if you’d rather see the Warriors play the Kings or Clippers over the Lakers in the first round.


same result either way
I don't know.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 11:45 am : link
The Kings are a fun watch. A team that seems to enjoy each other too.
Warriors will wreck whoever  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 11:54 am : link
But LeBron singlehandedly makes it a watchable series. Clips are a tough squad with PatBev/Trez leading the way and the Kings are a great story with Fox developing and Buddy turning into a scary shooter. But come on, the Lakers with LeBron fucking James would make for the most interesting series.

Lakers would take down the Nuggets in the first round if they get that 2/7 matchup. But it’s looking extremely unlikely LA could get to the 7 spot, with the 8 spot being a toss up as well.
RE: Hate LeBron all you want  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14295433 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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And I’ve grown sick of his GM shit too.

But you’re crazy if you’d rather see the Warriors play the Kings or Clippers over the Lakers in the first round.


Why do we need to see Lebron in the playoffs? We will see him put up insane stats, his teammates do nothing, therefore his teammates get blamed. Walton gets fired. Lebron goes recruiting.

Lets just save the time and keep him out from the start.
LeBrons performances these last 2 years  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 11:58 am : link
in the playoffs have been beatiful to watch. He is a Legend among Legends and 34 so we might not get to see it for much longer.

I get why so many hate him, but it’s sad how hate can make some so delusional.
RE: LeBrons performances these last 2 years  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14295463 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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in the playoffs have been beatiful to watch. He is a Legend among Legends and 34 so we might not get to see it for much longer.

I get why so many hate him, but it’s sad how hate can make some so delusional.


We dont hate his talents. Just the narrative when he loses.
So who has been blamed the last 2 years  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 12:02 pm : link
When he lost that didn’t deserve it?
The NBA would want  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
LBJ in the playoffs for the eyeballs.
RE: So who has been blamed the last 2 years  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14295473 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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When he lost that didn’t deserve it?


teammates, coaches.
RE: RE: So who has been blamed the last 2 years  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14295486 dep026 said:
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When he lost that didn’t deserve it?



teammates, coaches.


LMAO. Name me a name who was blamed and didn’t deserve it.
Blatt (first loss) and Lue  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 12:12 pm : link
are at the mercy of Lebron and his game. If they dont win, they get the axe. Even though Lebron was mostly responsible for the roster construction.

So why isnt it Lebrons fault he didnt have enough "help". Even though he was surrounded by Kyrie (forced him out) and another all-star (Love) and forced him to change his game?
I’ll give you Blatt  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 12:14 pm : link
But they did end up winning the title after firing him so who knows what would happen if they kept him
Knicks loss tonight would be  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 12:19 pm : link
18 in a row correct? Franchise record tying?
RE: LeBrons performances these last 2 years  
Ssanders9816 : 2/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14295463 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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in the playoffs have been beatiful to watch. He is a Legend among Legends and 34 so we might not get to see it for much longer.

I get why so many hate him, but it’s sad how hate can make some so delusional.


Yep, it’s like with Brady. People love to hate the greatest.
No Irving, and the Celts knock off the Sixers.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2019 12:22 pm : link
That's an interesting subplot to this season and offseason.
RE: RE: LeBrons performances these last 2 years  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 12:23 pm : link
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in the playoffs have been beatiful to watch. He is a Legend among Legends and 34 so we might not get to see it for much longer.

I get why so many hate him, but it’s sad how hate can make some so delusional.



Yep, it’s like with Brady. People love to hate the greatest.


People dont hate lebron because he is great. Quite the opposite. The only debate about Lebrons greatness is if he is better than Jordan.

People hate Lebrons stranglehold on the teams and coaches he has and openly criticizes what he needs.
RE: No Irving, and the Celts knock off the Sixers.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14295519 bceagle05 said:
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That's an interesting subplot to this season and offseason.


Celts have owned the 76ers lately. Horford really is in Embiid's mind. Joel struggles against him mightily.
As far as #3 in the OP  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
I think Al Horford has to be the most under appreciated player on this era.

Kyrie might be better in a vacuum and Tatum might be the future, but Horford is the MVP of that team. He will put up 13/7/3 statline so you’ll think he didn’t do much, but his mere presence on the court makes things easier for everyone else.

As Brown/Tatum get better, Horford is going to get worse so there’s a weird dynamic with their Championship window there.

Horford vs. Melo in terms of better career is an interesting question to me
RE: RE: RE: LeBrons performances these last 2 years  
Ssanders9816 : 2/13/2019 12:35 pm : link
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in the playoffs have been beatiful to watch. He is a Legend among Legends and 34 so we might not get to see it for much longer.

I get why so many hate him, but it’s sad how hate can make some so delusional.



Yep, it’s like with Brady. People love to hate the greatest.



People dont hate lebron because he is great. Quite the opposite. The only debate about Lebrons greatness is if he is better than Jordan.

People hate Lebrons stranglehold on the teams and coaches he has and openly criticizes what he needs.


Plenty hate him because he’s great. And in this day and age in the NBA he’s certainly not the only player that has a say in moves and personnel. You can even say Brady has some of that control in NE on a much smaller scale. It’s the price owners and coaches are willing to pay to have such great players. I personally find nothing wrong with it. Some of these guys are honestly smarter than their coaches and should have some say.
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2019 12:41 pm : link
What an awful loss last night. That could cost Walton his job.

Pelinka and Magic deserve a lot of blame how they handled things and the roster they put together. What is a good move they made?
RE: Lakers  
jdf : 2/13/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14295538 TyreeHelmet said:
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What an awful loss last night. That could cost Walton his job.

Pelinka and Magic deserve a lot of blame how they handled things and the roster they put together. What is a good move they made?


Lakers have drafted pretty well in the late 1st and 2nd round in recent years: getting Kuzma, Zubac, Hart, Wagner and Mikhailuk, for instance. Then again, Magic and Pelinka don't seem to value them much and have already traded away two of them. And who knows how much they're responsible for setting up the scouting system.
lebron is a top 5 NBA player all time  
hitdog42 : 2/13/2019 12:59 pm : link
and hes also a massive drain and pain in the ass for a franchise--- not from a valuation angle (obviously he boosts that and chances to win) but from an organizational stand point. hes truly an ass on that front. the infrastructure needed to support him and his team... the leeway you have to give him.. the demands you have to give into... everything is 100% about him.
RE: lebron is a top 5 NBA player all time  
dep026 : 2/13/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14295582 hitdog42 said:
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and hes also a massive drain and pain in the ass for a franchise--- not from a valuation angle (obviously he boosts that and chances to win) but from an organizational stand point. hes truly an ass on that front. the infrastructure needed to support him and his team... the leeway you have to give him.. the demands you have to give into... everything is 100% about him.


Exactly. This has been known for quite some tiem and I am sorry your friend had to experience it.

I never understood the sympathy people give Lebron. HE PICKS THE PEOPLE WHO HE WANTS TO PLAY WITH!!!

So when they lose, the narrative shoudlnt be that he didnt have enough help. Well no shit. Thats what happened when you let someone dictate personnel decisions.

The only sympathy Lebron deserved was the firs ttile loss. But after that, he controlled the organization and then blamed them for when he left. Not once, but twice....
Top 5?  
Pep22 : 2/13/2019 2:54 pm : link
If you want to say MJ was better, its a good argument. After that, there is nobody in their stratosphere. So Top 2.
RE: Top 5?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/13/2019 3:06 pm : link
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If you want to say MJ was better, its a good argument. After that, there is nobody in their stratosphere. So Top 2.


Tough to compare wings with true Centers. I think MJ/LeBron are the hands down top 2 among non-Bigs with Magic/Bird/Kobe/Oscar/West (in that order) being the next in line. Scary to think that Curry and Durant will both probably be in that 2nd tier group.

But true Centers still have immense impact and were even more impactful before the 3pt line in the 80s. Russell/Kareem could easily be argued as better than LeBron and MJ. Wilt has an argument too if he wasn’t such a stat hog.

And even if you think LeBron is better than Duncan, fact is that Duncan’s Rim protection was a key reason why LeBron lost two of his Finals. And Hakeem/Shaq might be argued as better than Duncan too.

LeBrons my 2/3 with Kareem after MJ in my opinion. But saying he’s Top 5 isn’t some insult. I do think the “Kobe’s better” movement we’ve seen recently is nonsense.
RE: RE: Top 5?  
Pep22 : 2/13/2019 3:12 pm : link
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If you want to say MJ was better, its a good argument. After that, there is nobody in their stratosphere. So Top 2.



Tough to compare wings with true Centers. I think MJ/LeBron are the hands down top 2 among non-Bigs with Magic/Bird/Kobe/Oscar/West (in that order) being the next in line. Scary to think that Curry and Durant will both probably be in that 2nd tier group.

But true Centers still have immense impact and were even more impactful before the 3pt line in the 80s. Russell/Kareem could easily be argued as better than LeBron and MJ. Wilt has an argument too if he wasn’t such a stat hog.

And even if you think LeBron is better than Duncan, fact is that Duncan’s Rim protection was a key reason why LeBron lost two of his Finals. And Hakeem/Shaq might be argued as better than Duncan too.

LeBrons my 2/3 with Kareem after MJ in my opinion. But saying he’s Top 5 isn’t some insult. I do think the “Kobe’s better” movement we’ve seen recently is nonsense.


Well though out reply on your part.

I have to admit that I am guilty of dismissing basketball from eras prior to let's say 1980 because the skill level was so inferior.

RE: RE: No Irving, and the Celts knock off the Sixers.  
Chris in Philly : 2/13/2019 3:35 pm : link
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That's an interesting subplot to this season and offseason.



Celts have owned the 76ers lately. Horford really is in Embiid's mind. Joel struggles against him mightily.


They all shot like crap - Reddick and Harris especially. If they shot 50% it's a very different game...
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 2/13/2019 3:43 pm : link
Knicks are 10 point dogs at home to the sixers on a back to back. And that’s not high enough.
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