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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 7:06 pm
Just finished my 5 mile run. Picked up 2 4 packs of Freak of Nature IPAs.

I'm ready for another Knickerbockers lose. TANK BABY! TANK! Let's get 18 in a row tonight!

76ers coming off a tough loss last night to Celts.
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RE: RE: I realize this team is in tank more.  
adamg : 2/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14296152 Jon in NYC said:
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But if youíre paying attention, you can see some piecesoossibly falling into place. Iím an admitted optimist. But I really like Jordan and his presence.



Would also be a great fit, but unless he's willing to take a huge paycut, he isn't going to stick around.


Even if he could play on the MLE with Durant, Kyrie, and Zion?
RE: RE: RE: I realize this team is in tank more.  
Jon in NYC : 2/13/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14296154 adamg said:
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But if youíre paying attention, you can see some piecesoossibly falling into place. Iím an admitted optimist. But I really like Jordan and his presence.



Would also be a great fit, but unless he's willing to take a huge paycut, he isn't going to stick around.



Even if he could play on the MLE with Durant, Kyrie, and Zion?


Hey may chose to do that. But that's a 13 mil paycut for him.

On the flipside, who is about to give him a big deal at 30?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I realize this team is in tank more.  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14296159 Jon in NYC said:
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But if youíre paying attention, you can see some piecesoossibly falling into place. Iím an admitted optimist. But I really like Jordan and his presence.



Would also be a great fit, but unless he's willing to take a huge paycut, he isn't going to stick around.



Even if he could play on the MLE with Durant, Kyrie, and Zion?



Hey may chose to do that. But that's a 13 mil paycut for him.

On the flipside, who is about to give him a big deal at 30?


you would think it has been discussed with him, otherwise why keep him and play him? seems like if he was not a part of the future it would be better to let him go
Jordan's stat line looks good at a glance  
shyster : 2/13/2019 8:55 pm : link
but the Sixers have 71 points and he has had zero defensive presence. And tied for worst plus/minus.

Beginning in 2013, Jordan ranked second, third, second, sixth in number of blocks per year. Since then, nowhere.

He's not the guy people remember.
RE: Jordan's stat line looks good at a glance  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14296164 shyster said:
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but the Sixers have 71 points and he has had zero defensive presence. And tied for worst plus/minus.

Beginning in 2013, Jordan ranked second, third, second, sixth in number of blocks per year. Since then, nowhere.

He's not the guy people remember.


he cant guard everyone, what do you want him to do?

he has to guard his man and help on everything
nygiants16  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2019 8:59 pm : link
I get what you are saying but who else is going to play center? Robinson has shown he cannot handle heavy minutes. So, I think he is here because we need someone to play center and to help mentor Robinson. I think those are the main reasons. Anything after that is nice and may have been discussed but I doubt it at this point in time. That is something that probably happens after he shows his worth toward the end of the year. If he is part of the team next year then great. If not, it didn't hurt anybody on this team by taking minutes away.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14296167 robbieballs2003 said:
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I get what you are saying but who else is going to play center? Robinson has shown he cannot handle heavy minutes. So, I think he is here because we need someone to play center and to help mentor Robinson. I think those are the main reasons. Anything after that is nice and may have been discussed but I doubt it at this point in time. That is something that probably happens after he shows his worth toward the end of the year. If he is part of the team next year then great. If not, it didn't hurt anybody on this team by taking minutes away.


kornet and robinson cant handle the minutes?

and you dont think jordan wants to play for a winning team?
Simmons & Smith Jr.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 9:03 pm : link
jawing @ each other.
why is it  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:07 pm : link
everytime sixers drive the refs blow the whistle and knicks drive refs magically swallow their whistle
RE: RE: nygiants16  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14296170 nygiants16 said:
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I get what you are saying but who else is going to play center? Robinson has shown he cannot handle heavy minutes. So, I think he is here because we need someone to play center and to help mentor Robinson. I think those are the main reasons. Anything after that is nice and may have been discussed but I doubt it at this point in time. That is something that probably happens after he shows his worth toward the end of the year. If he is part of the team next year then great. If not, it didn't hurt anybody on this team by taking minutes away.



kornet and robinson cant handle the minutes?

and you dont think jordan wants to play for a winning team?


Robinson has proven he cannot. He gets gassed quickly. He has also prove to be very foul prone. Him and Kornet really aren't enough alone.

What does Jordan wanting to play for another team have to do with anything? He is under contract with the Knicks. The Knicks only obligation is to do what is in the best interest of the Knicks. Jordan seems lke a great dude and it is obvious why he is still here.
RE: RE: Jordan's stat line looks good at a glance  
shyster : 2/13/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14296166 nygiants16 said:
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he cant guard everyone, what do you want him to do?

he has to guard his man and help on everything


If he were helping the way he did in his prime, he'd be contesting/blocking a lot more shots.

I don't mean to be gratuitous or single him out unnecessarily but the talk about bringing him back is based on the name on the uniform.
RE: RE: RE: Jordan's stat line looks good at a glance  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14296176 shyster said:
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he cant guard everyone, what do you want him to do?

he has to guard his man and help on everything



If he were helping the way he did in his prime, he'd be contesting/blocking a lot more shots.

I don't mean to be gratuitous or single him out unnecessarily but the talk about bringing him back is based on the name on the uniform.


no it is not, people said the same thing about tyson chandler, oh whybis he not helping more oh why is he not doing this...

If the guards could keep their men out of the paint hr wouldnt look as bad, he can not go and contest eveything...

the job of the center is not just to block shots..

Mitchell Robinson blocks everything but he is a horrible defender, id much rather deandre back there than robinson when the team is good
RE: RE: RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14296175 robbieballs2003 said:
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I get what you are saying but who else is going to play center? Robinson has shown he cannot handle heavy minutes. So, I think he is here because we need someone to play center and to help mentor Robinson. I think those are the main reasons. Anything after that is nice and may have been discussed but I doubt it at this point in time. That is something that probably happens after he shows his worth toward the end of the year. If he is part of the team next year then great. If not, it didn't hurt anybody on this team by taking minutes away.



kornet and robinson cant handle the minutes?

and you dont think jordan wants to play for a winning team?



Robinson has proven he cannot. He gets gassed quickly. He has also prove to be very foul prone. Him and Kornet really aren't enough alone.

What does Jordan wanting to play for another team have to do with anything? He is under contract with the Knicks. The Knicks only obligation is to do what is in the best interest of the Knicks. Jordan seems lke a great dude and it is obvious why he is still here.


so was matthews and kanter..

If jordan said i would like a buyout you dont thin the knicks would oblige?
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robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14296178 nygiants16 said:
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I get what you are saying but who else is going to play center? Robinson has shown he cannot handle heavy minutes. So, I think he is here because we need someone to play center and to help mentor Robinson. I think those are the main reasons. Anything after that is nice and may have been discussed but I doubt it at this point in time. That is something that probably happens after he shows his worth toward the end of the year. If he is part of the team next year then great. If not, it didn't hurt anybody on this team by taking minutes away.



kornet and robinson cant handle the minutes?

and you dont think jordan wants to play for a winning team?



Robinson has proven he cannot. He gets gassed quickly. He has also prove to be very foul prone. Him and Kornet really aren't enough alone.

What does Jordan wanting to play for another team have to do with anything? He is under contract with the Knicks. The Knicks only obligation is to do what is in the best interest of the Knicks. Jordan seems lke a great dude and it is obvious why he is still here.



so was matthews and kanter..

If jordan said i would like a buyout you dont thin the knicks would oblige?


Maybe, maybe not. Jordan doesn't seem like that type of player. We also have many more options at the 2/3 positions that Matthews was expendable. Kanter was a different animal. Again, the Knicks have been very vocal why Jordan is here.
we all know why jordan is here  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:19 pm : link
knicks jjst cant say it
Knicks within 9 @ the end of 3rd.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 9:30 pm : link
Fitz needs to find the drunkest five near him & have them throw on jerseys to play the 4th.
RE: Knicks within 9 @ the end of 3rd.  
ChaChing : 2/13/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14296186 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Fitz needs to find the drunkest five near him & have them throw on jerseys to play the 4th.

17 straight on the down side. They can manage by themselves lol

I just like the consistent fight and generally decent effort. All season
RE: Bill Simmons was hinting on his podcast earlier  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/13/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14296124 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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that there's a good chance dep's favorite player-Jimmy Buckets-leaves Philly this summer.


I would be shocked if he didn't. Harris is a better, low maintenance fit with the somewhat selfish Embiid. Jimmy talks a good game, but he wants the ball even more than he cares about a winning situation. I saw someone talking about him and the Lakers last week.
the refs are ridiculous  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:39 pm : link
..
Yeah, I don't see  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/13/2019 9:40 pm : link
Jimmy being a second, third, or fourth option anywhere. He wants to be The Man.

I could see him as a Net.
Jimmy Butler is not someone I'd want anywhere near  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2019 9:41 pm : link
My team. He doesnt even bother to hide his cancerous tendencies.
butler will go to whoever pays him more  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:41 pm : link
my guess sixers sensed that and traded for harris just in case...
Boy you love to see this  
NoGainDayne : 2/13/2019 9:49 pm : link
Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

Giannis Antetokounmpo's agent, Giorgos Panou, reveals in the ĎFinding Giannis' documentary that the Knicks were the one team that didn't send a scout or team staffer to see Antetokounmpo in Greece before the 2013 NBA Draft. The Knicks selected Tim Hardaway Jr. with the 24th pick in that draft. It's surprising, though, that New York wouldn't do its due diligence and see Antetokounmpo in person.
and that right there is why the knicks lose  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:54 pm : link
knicks miss wide open 3, other team comes back and hits a contested 3
i cant wait to play this team  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 9:55 pm : link
when the knicks actually have good players
RE: i cant wait to play this team  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14296212 nygiants16 said:
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when the knicks actually have good players

Amen to that.
RE: we all know why jordan is here  
djm : 2/13/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14296182 nygiants16 said:
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knicks jjst cant say it


We have to get Durant... so many dominos will fall if the Knicks can get Durant to sign. Weíre talking basically an all star team...

All I ask is let us land one big lucky break this summer. Either Durant or the first pick. Either one Iíd be ok. If we only got the first pick and struck out in FA at least we have a nice young nucleus and money going forward.
10-47.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2019 10:03 pm : link
Only 25 games to go. Sucks that the All-Star break will stop our "momentum."
RE: RE: we all know why jordan is here  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14296220 djm said:
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knicks jjst cant say it



We have to get Durant... so many dominos will fall if the Knicks can get Durant to sign. Weíre talking basically an all star team...

All I ask is let us land one big lucky break this summer. Either Durant or the first pick. Either one Iíd be ok. If we only got the first pick and struck out in FA at least we have a nice young nucleus and money going forward.


Knicks are not allowed to do that, do you not see the backlash the knicks have got for actually doing smart things?

Michael Kay i kid you not said the knicks have to sign people they can not have another losing season after alan hahn said knicks will not spend on lesser players...

RE: Boy you love to see this  
djm : 2/13/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14296204 NoGainDayne said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

Giannis Antetokounmpo's agent, Giorgos Panou, reveals in the ĎFinding Giannis' documentary that the Knicks were the one team that didn't send a scout or team staffer to see Antetokounmpo in Greece before the 2013 NBA Draft. The Knicks selected Tim Hardaway Jr. with the 24th pick in that draft. It's surprising, though, that New York wouldn't do its due diligence and see Antetokounmpo in person.


Soon after the Knicks made a commitment to better overseas scouting. Not sure when it happened but itís clear the Knicks seem to even lean towards the overseas player.
I thought Mitch would spend the year in the G-League.  
bceagle05 : 2/13/2019 10:10 pm : link
Remarkable what he's doing - hopefully he finishes strong this season.
RE: RE: RE: we all know why jordan is here  
djm : 2/13/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14296227 nygiants16 said:
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knicks jjst cant say it



We have to get Durant... so many dominos will fall if the Knicks can get Durant to sign. Weíre talking basically an all star team...

All I ask is let us land one big lucky break this summer. Either Durant or the first pick. Either one Iíd be ok. If we only got the first pick and struck out in FA at least we have a nice young nucleus and money going forward.



Knicks are not allowed to do that, do you not see the backlash the knicks have got for actually doing smart things?

Michael Kay i kid you not said the knicks have to sign people they can not have another losing season after alan hahn said knicks will not spend on lesser players...


Beningo isnít as bad but heís been bitching and moaning about the Knicks trying to lose. He seems to hint that itís a sort of necessary evil but I donít why people are holding fizdale to the fire. Heís got them battling and trying to win they just blow. No closers.

RE: I thought Mitch would spend the year in the G-League.  
nygiants16 : 2/13/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14296234 bceagle05 said:
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Remarkable what he's doing - hopefully he finishes strong this season.


and he is doing it all on instinct and hard work...

His defensive fundamentals are awful, imagine when he gets that right and stronger
RE: RE: i cant wait to play this team  
moze1021 : 2/13/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14296214 bceagle05 said:
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when the knicks actually have good players


Amen to that.


Imagine if that Knox dunk actually meant something!!

Here's to the master plan working and next year having some fun!
Listening to Michael Kay talk about the Knicks will make your  
PhiPsi125 : 2/13/2019 10:53 pm : link
ears bleed. Itís so transparent that he knows zero about the Knicks (and basketball in general) that he comes off like a real buffoon.
RE: refs blowing the sixers now  
santacruzom : 2/14/2019 3:07 am : link
In comment 14296143 nygiants16 said:
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sixers get every single call now


I've noticed the 6ers get the benefit of the whistle pretty frequently now. Warriors fans are jealous... our team has been elite for 5 years now and we're still bottom third in that department, and here comes Philly strolling in with one strong season after utter mediocrity and they're getting the calls? Whatever.
RE: butler will go to whoever pays him more  
TyreeHelmet : 2/14/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14296200 nygiants16 said:
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my guess sixers sensed that and traded for harris just in case...


We'll see how it turns out, but the Sixers may have screwed with their personnel decisions the last few years. They gave up alot to get Butler and Harris, and I'm honestly not sure how much better it made them in the short or definitely not long run. Especially if one of these guys walks in FA.

They'll be fine because they have 2 young all nba talent players, but I think they could have built a true juggernaut. It would have been interesting to see Hinkie finish the job...
Have we seen any meaningful development with Knox?  
Jan in DC : 2/14/2019 10:17 am : link
I know he's still super young, but it doesn't feel like he impacts the game at all except for scoring. I hope he can develop into a playmaker and work on his rebounding.
Projections  
Pep22 : 2/14/2019 11:16 am : link
I think we probably got:

Knox = Brandon Ingram (lengthy, mid teens wing scorer), I suspect Knox will be a better shooter and Ingram a better passer, defender (marginally in both cases)

Trier = reminds me of Andrew Toney or if present day, Jamal Murray ---probably a poor man's version of either, but still an outstanding and free addition

Robinson = the best of the three in terms of upside, this kid's floor is Clint Capela and ceiling is his new teammate Deandre Jordan
RE: Have we seen any meaningful development with Knox?  
steve in ky : 2/14/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14296471 Jan in DC said:
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I know he's still super young, but it doesn't feel like he impacts the game at all except for scoring. I hope he can develop into a playmaker and work on his rebounding.


There was a period of time where Bernard Kind took him out to eat to give him some advise, and around that same time a negative article had been written about him, where he seemed to get more aggressive and he elevated his game to a higher level. But now he seems to have again slipped back into some of his earlier habits.

Hopefully this off season he will look back at some of those things and next season be able to have more consistency at the higher level. He is still so young and will mature both physically and mentally and things should get easier for him then.
Player development takes time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/14/2019 11:38 am : link
Tobias Harris is just now having his best years at 26. Entered the league at age 19 and averaged 5 points per game.
Plus Knox is probably hitting a bit of a wall  
steve in ky : 2/14/2019 11:43 am : link
He played 37 games his one season at UK and now up to 50th his first season as a Knick. For a kid two years removed from high school he has to be wearing down at least a little.
for anyone who follows the draft prospects  
Ron Johnson : 2/14/2019 11:43 am : link
Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?
RE: for anyone who follows the draft prospects  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/14/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14296574 Ron Johnson said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?


The three worst records all have equal odds to land the top pick.

The worst record has 48% chance to get the 5th pick.
RE: for anyone who follows the draft prospects  
Enzo : 2/14/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14296574 Ron Johnson said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?

what's slightly more likely is that they draft in the first 4 picks (if you have the worst record). There's a 52% chance of that.
RE: RE: for anyone who follows the draft prospects  
TommyWiseau : 2/14/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14296597 Enzo said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?


what's slightly more likely is that they draft in the first 4 picks (if you have the worst record). There's a 52% chance of that.


we need to get a top 3 pick, Morant/Zion/RJ or bust
Bulls now have 14 wins.  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2019 3:39 pm : link
Starting to "pull away" from us a bit. A few more Ws out of them and we'll be locked into the bottom three with Cleveland and Phoenix. That gives us the best chance possible at the #1 pick, which is all I care about. Beyond that, we just have to live with the randomness of it.
RE: RE: for anyone who follows the draft prospects  
Ron Johnson : 2/15/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14296577 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?



The three worst records all have equal odds to land the top pick.

The worst record has 48% chance to get the 5th pick.


Don't they only draw 3 ping pong balls?

How can the worst team go any lower than 4th pick?
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Strahan91 : 2/15/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14297435 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 14296574 Ron Johnson said:


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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if the Knick finish with the worst record in the league, their most likely draft slot is 4th, correct?

If so, are there 4 players in the draft currently considered blue chip prospects?



The three worst records all have equal odds to land the top pick.

The worst record has 48% chance to get the 5th pick.



Don't they only draw 3 ping pong balls?

How can the worst team go any lower than 4th pick?

They draw for the top 4 picks now. This is the first year they're doing it this way.
Knox  
XBRONX : 2/15/2019 12:01 pm : link
has been a terrible shooter. His assist to turnover ration is poor. I know he is young, but he has stunk this year.
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