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GoDeep13 : 2/13/2019 10:43 pm
What do you think the Giants do at #6?

IMO its gonna come down to three guys. Josh Allen, Clelin Ferrell, and Montez Sweat. In that order. Whichever of these guys is available at #6 will probably be the pick.

I also see the 2nd round pick being a DB. At CB I like Amani Oruwariye, Joejuan Williams, and Julian Love.

At S I like Deionte Thompson, Juan Thornhill, and Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.

I see them picking up a OL in the 4th/5th rounds like Dru Samia as I think they make one splash signing on the OL in FA (Daryl Williams) and roll with Halapio and Brown at C and RG.


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My guess  
The_Boss : 2/14/2019 10:37 am : link
In no order, one of:
A trade up for Haskins (👎🏽)
Gary
White
Oliver



Haskins  
AcesUp : 2/14/2019 10:46 am : link
Something not often mentioned here, Haskins OC was Ryan Day, who served on the same Eagles staff as QB coach while Shurmur was OC. He'll have the inside dirt on him for sure. There are some similarities between the Giants and OSU offenses as well which should ease transition and help with the eval. Beyond that, Haskins is as close to a Giants prototype as you can get. Size, arm, smarts and clean off the field. I actually think they trade up for him.

If Haskins isn't an option I think it's Gary. Also fits the prototype on the otherside.
Probably Edge (Allen) but darkhorse is TJ Hockenson  
ij_reilly : 2/14/2019 10:47 am : link
They'll take Allen if he's there.

If he's gone, I would not be shocked if they selected TJ Hockenson.

I think what they do in free agency may have a major influence this year, it had no influence last year by comparison.
I am hoping that one of the QB's is the real deal and the Giants  
wgenesis123 : 2/14/2019 10:56 am : link
zero in and take him at 6. I figure the QB's won't be good enough or will be gone by 6 if they are the real deal. I am hoping for an edge rusher but I really at this point have no clue who will offer the most value at 6.
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AcidTest : 2/14/2019 11:17 am : link
think Haskins, Allen, Bosa, Lock, and Q Williams will be gone. My guess is Sweat, or as someone said, Wilkins after a trade down. Ford is another possibility.
RE: Im actually  
ryanmkeane : 2/14/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14296476 GoDeep13 said:
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Surprise by all the Haskins support. I just dont get a good feeling about him. Id rather take Murray honestly if were gonna go QB. Id start him right away too. If we suck wed be in prime position to get one of the top QBs in next years draft. If it works out...my god if it works out...itll be the most athletic offense in the NFL.

Haskins is the perfect candidate to sit and learn for the whole season or even 7-10 games similar to what Goff did in 2016. There are merits to starting right away, but you also see what good it can do to sit and learn for a bit. This team isn't ready to win a Super Bowl next year.
Haskins  
Thegratefulhead : 2/14/2019 11:40 am : link
I think he is there at 6 and has the physical attributes the organization values for the position. If he is gone any one of a bunch defensive players I could see going there. I would like it to be Allen if not Haskins.
QB HAS to be addressed...  
x meadowlander : 2/14/2019 11:44 am : link
...so it's likely Haskins.

If Gettleman doesn't settle the question of the successor to Manning, he's going to hear about it after every loss, every Interception, every incomplete pass.

This is New York. You can't let the big stuff fester.
Daniel Jones  
Go Terps : 2/14/2019 11:48 am : link
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Haskins last 3 games  
Thegratefulhead : 2/14/2019 11:52 am : link
Tue 1/1
vs
WASH Rose Bowl
comp-att yds TD Rating QBR
W 28-23 25-37 253 67.6% 3 151.3 79.0

NW Championship
W 45-24 34-41 499 82.9% 5 220.5 93.8

Rivalry MICH
W 62-39 20-31 396 64.5% 6 235.7 97.5

I think they fall in love with physical tools and big game performances.
RE: Daniel Jones  
ryanmkeane : 2/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14296579 Go Terps said:
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That's a remote thrower for me
I don't think Josh Allen  
ryanmkeane : 2/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
is going to be there. He'll be gone by 4
RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
Go Terps : 2/14/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14296611 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14296579 Go Terps said:


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That's a remote thrower for me


Likewise.
RE: Daniel Jones  
The_Boss : 2/14/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14296579 Go Terps said:
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Hes actually my least liked QB in a class I loathe as a whole. Needless to say, I would be monumentally disappointed.
I just think it's easy to envision the following:  
Go Terps : 2/14/2019 12:12 pm : link
1. Jones performs well at the Combine and pro day
2. Haskins is taken before we pick
3. Murray is completely off our board before the draft even starts
4. We're left picking between Jones and Lock, and Jones is considered the safer pick and closest to Eli 2.0
Allen or White  
Boatie Warrant : 2/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
If Haskins is off the board
At #6  
RomanWH : 2/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
If I'm guessing as to what I think is most probable to happen, then an edge rusher. Some highly graded, high motor guy that can get after the QB. I could envision a trade-up in the late 1st to try to take Daniel Jones if he's still there, much like what the Ravens did with Jackson last year.

What I'd like to see is the Giants take a chance on Kyler Murray. Really swing for the fences with the immense upside.
RE: I just think it's easy to envision the following:  
Bill L : 2/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14296628 Go Terps said:
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1. Jones performs well at the Combine and pro day
2. Haskins is taken before we pick
3. Murray is completely off our board before the draft even starts
4. We're left picking between Jones and Lock, and Jones is considered the safer pick and closest to Eli 2.0


I odn't think it's easy to envision.

There Giants had every opportunity to reach for a QB last year and did not. There is nothing in DG's statements or history to suggest that he would reach, and especially to a low tier prospect, this year. Your cynicism has you turning your fantasy into (what should be a qualified) prediction.
RE: RE: I just think it's easy to envision the following:  
Go Terps : 2/14/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14296639 Bill L said:
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In comment 14296628 Go Terps said:


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1. Jones performs well at the Combine and pro day
2. Haskins is taken before we pick
3. Murray is completely off our board before the draft even starts
4. We're left picking between Jones and Lock, and Jones is considered the safer pick and closest to Eli 2.0



I odn't think it's easy to envision.

There Giants had every opportunity to reach for a QB last year and did not. There is nothing in DG's statements or history to suggest that he would reach, and especially to a low tier prospect, this year. Your cynicism has you turning your fantasy into (what should be a qualified) prediction.


QBs tend to shoot up boards as drafts approach. And if we don't go QB, then who? Are there 3-4 edge rushers that make sense high in this draft?
RE: RE: RE: I just think it's easy to envision the following:  
Bill L : 2/14/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14296644 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14296639 Bill L said:


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In comment 14296628 Go Terps said:


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1. Jones performs well at the Combine and pro day
2. Haskins is taken before we pick
3. Murray is completely off our board before the draft even starts
4. We're left picking between Jones and Lock, and Jones is considered the safer pick and closest to Eli 2.0



I odn't think it's easy to envision.

There Giants had every opportunity to reach for a QB last year and did not. There is nothing in DG's statements or history to suggest that he would reach, and especially to a low tier prospect, this year. Your cynicism has you turning your fantasy into (what should be a qualified) prediction.



QBs tend to shoot up boards as drafts approach. And if we don't go QB, then who? Are there 3-4 edge rushers that make sense high in this draft?


Based on the rankings so far and the mock drafts...yes.
i'm on board with Murray  
gtt350 : 2/14/2019 1:43 pm : link
let the entertainment begin
Terps..  
Sean : 2/14/2019 2:17 pm : link
You are saying that the Giants will pick QB no matter what under your scenario. After Gettleman said last year that you can never force a QB pick. I dont think theyll settle into a QB at 6, but Jones could shoot up the board like you outlined.
RE: Terps..  
Go Terps : 2/14/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14296760 Sean said:
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You are saying that the Giants will pick QB no matter what under your scenario. After Gettleman said last year that you can never force a QB pick. I dont think theyll settle into a QB at 6, but Jones could shoot up the board like you outlined.


We've seen reports that they want Eli to mentor the next QB. If this is Eli's last season, and they don't believe in Lauletta, it probably increases the likelihood of a QB being taken. Maybe that means a QB in the second round (my preferred route if a QB has to be taken in this draft), but QBs always move up as the draft approaches.
Most mock drafts predict  
kdog77 : 2/14/2019 2:57 pm : link
that the top Edge and DL prospects will be gone in first 5 picks. Do you really want the #6 defensive prospect or possibly the best QB?

My best guess is that Giants will take next highest value position and pick QB at #6. Both Haskins and Murray played well in big college programs, but Giants generally put more stock on combine and player interviews to determine who they like. My only hope is they avoid picking some brainiac like Dave Brown and go for someone more battle-tested like Eli. Getting a young core of talent on offense can sustain teams in long run, but only if the QB is at peak performance. I like Murray's athleticism but my thought is Giants will be conservative and take Haskins.
Oliver or Williams if one of them is there or  
bc4life : 2/14/2019 4:03 pm : link
Ferrell or Polite.
I'll remain consistent and guess that at #6  
Diver_Down : 2/14/2019 4:25 pm : link
DG will pick Williams - Quinnen, Greedy, or Jonah.
Don't think they'll take Greedy  
bc4life : 2/14/2019 4:46 pm : link
Lot of draftniks don't think he's worh the # 6 pick. And Giants don't have a need to reach their CB stable is not the worst - Jenkins, Webb, Haley, Beal, Lippett and Co.

They need a pass rush.
RE: Oliver or Williams if one of them is there or  
Rjanyg : 2/14/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14296867 bc4life said:
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Ferrell or Polite.


I like Allen and Ferrell. But I gotta say, when you watch Polite he looks like a freak with his quick first step and rip move. I don't think he is worth the 6th pick.
RE: Don't think they'll take Greedy  
Diver_Down : 2/14/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14296919 bc4life said:
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Lot of draftniks don't think he's worh the # 6 pick. And Giants don't have a need to reach their CB stable is not the worst - Jenkins, Webb, Haley, Beal, Lippett and Co.

They need a pass rush.


The draft is for the future. Jenkins won't be here forever. Take him out of the mix and our CB stable is trash. Beal is an unknown. Do we settle for the 4th best Edge rusher or the best CB? Same question can apply to OL. It needs to be fixed. Take a flyer on Daryl Williams who spent last year on IR with a busted knee? Rely on a reputation of DG finding late round gems and consequently relying on the Giants developing that gem when we haven't been able to develop any lineman in the past decade? Or do you continue to build the OL with young, healthy, fundamentally sound technician that is rated as the best? Or should we still settle for the 4th rated highest Edge?
Ill go out on a limb, slightly  
djm : 2/14/2019 5:28 pm : link
And say they draft bpa at six, be it the OT or defensive player, Ill say defensive player likely a pass rusher.

And then they trade up from round 2 and draft Daniel jones mid to late round 1.
Haskins if available is truly a no brainer.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/14/2019 9:07 pm : link
If he's gone, Lock or Oliver or Harry, at 6.
Gary  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/14/2019 9:08 pm : link
Rashan Gary. Android has the worst auto spell correct ever.
RE: Anything but a qb! There is way too much defensive talent and  
Jersey55 : 2/15/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14296275 SterlingArcher said:
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oline talent to waste a pick on qb that will sit for 2 years.


this only works if you truly feel the team can win with Eli, I don't, Eli is just draining money from the team ..
Thinking Cards will trade out  
bc4life : 2/15/2019 7:23 pm : link
of top spot - if Giants don't want Haskins, some team will and they will trade to cut in front of us.

That gives us shot at one of top 5 players, not a QB. Pretty confident Williams & Evans will be gone, Maybe Oliver. Think Ferrell will be gone too - somebody grabbin him as 4-3 DE.
Thinking Metcalf could also go  
bc4life : 2/15/2019 7:27 pm : link
Top 5.
RE: If Im required to bet my next paycheck,  
NINEster : 2/15/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14296260 Beezer said:
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I say D-lineman. Lean toward DE. Or edge as these guys are being called now. Because DE wasnt good enough.


Edge because some guys can play both 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB.

Khalil Mack comes to mind as having played both.
RE: RE: Im gonna go with  
Bronson : 2/16/2019 5:34 am : link
In comment 14296353 USAF NYG Fan said:
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In comment 14296277 tyrik13 said:


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It being either Haskins or Lock. My dark horse pick is Devin White out of LSU. He has literally no weaknesses to his game, can fit in any scheme. Hes Luke kuechly 2.0 and Im almost sure it was DG who drafted kuechly if Im not mistaken




I thought Kuechly was drafted the year before DG took over as the Panthers GM. I'm pretty sure you are mistaken.



Yes I like White at #6. With Tomlinson and B.J. Hill having good years in 2018 the LB'ing core needs to be upgraded. If Josh Allen is sitting there then I'd pick him otherwise White's a great pick.
RE: Haskins  
Bronson : 2/16/2019 5:43 am : link
In comment 14296569 Thegratefulhead said:
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I think he is there at 6 and has the physical attributes the organization values for the position. If he is gone any one of a bunch defensive players I could see going there. I would like it to be Allen if not Haskins.


Haskins reminds me of Cardale Jones. I'm not taking a QB that played only 1 year at #6. Murray, Jones, Lock all have 2+ years of experience. Murray is a shorter version of Baker Mayfield but only more dangerous in the run game. Murray brings more to the table then Haskins.
Jones is probably the favorite because he was coach by Cuttlif who coached both Mannings in College. That's a big plus.
Given that the Giants  
BigBlueCane : 2/16/2019 8:05 am : link
can't keep a secret, we'll know who they prefer soon enough.
I have to admit  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/19/2019 8:33 am : link
I'm warming up to Haskins

I didn't warm up to any of the QBs last year -- but Haskins has a bunch of things going for him that the big three last year didn't

He's strong -- I mean really strong. He has a great physical, mental, and mature presence. He shows up big in big time games. He stands tall in the pocket and makes strikes when he's got someone coming at him. He has terrific will power that shows in some plays like the play Eli made in getting out of the grasp and getting the ball to Tyree in Super Bowl 42. He also gets the ball out fast, decisively and accurately. He spreads the ball around. He's got both power and can make a screen pass work. I like him.

If the Giants really like Haskins then they have to move up this year to get him - imo
I'll go with Josh Allen  
Anakim : 2/19/2019 8:42 am : link
If he drops to 6, he would be the BPA. He's the third best player in the Draft, IMO, but with guys like Murray, Haskins and Gary potentially rising, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
It's still too early  
JonC : 2/19/2019 8:44 am : link
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I have a feeling we take Devin White  
90.Cal : 2/19/2019 9:20 am : link
If he is as good as they say, DG might be inclined to take the QB of our defense for the next 10 years.

I'm hoping for one of Bosa, Quinnen, Kyler or Haskins.
Very few if any 3-4 ILBs  
JonC : 2/19/2019 9:37 am : link
are worth that high of a draft pick.
RE: I have to admit  
Bill L : 2/19/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14299751 gidiefor said:
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I'm warming up to Haskins

I didn't warm up to any of the QBs last year -- but Haskins has a bunch of things going for him that the big three last year didn't

He's strong -- I mean really strong. He has a great physical, mental, and mature presence. He shows up big in big time games. He stands tall in the pocket and makes strikes when he's got someone coming at him. He has terrific will power that shows in some plays like the play Eli made in getting out of the grasp and getting the ball to Tyree in Super Bowl 42. He also gets the ball out fast, decisively and accurately. He spreads the ball around. He's got both power and can make a screen pass work. I like him.

If the Giants really like Haskins then they have to move up this year to get him - imo

I've warmed up to Haskins too. But only to the extent that if he gets picked at #6, I won't retch. I still prefer to go for elite talent, which will only be DL at that spot. It's not only a need but also a strategy to build a team by getting the best players with the idea that next year, even with an uncomfortable package in trade, we can get a better QB that can slip right in because the supporting cast will be in place.
I see them saying this is the year  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 10:42 am : link
to go QB and taking a similar approach as they did with the Manning year i.e being aggressive in FA in filling holes and be even willing to move up to secure their top guy whether it be Haskins ,Lock or even a trade for Rosen (should Cards want Murray).

The reports last year from almost all the 'plugged-in' reporters all kept pointing away from QB. And many pointed toward Barkley. They were right. This team generally doesn't go heavy playing the misdirection game. This year we are hearing quite a few reports from the plugged in guys saying they WILL go after a Qb and likely via the draft.

If Foles goes to the Jags (they probably want a vet because they think their team is close to a legit contender) then the legit competition for a Qb dies down even more. And then add in the Broncos at 10 trading for Flacco. Though this isnt last years draft we are in pretty good shape at 6 to get one of these guys. Now of course with the premium on the position we could see a team willing to sell the farm to move into the top 5 but the Giants at #6 could also be willing to offer their better pick to move up to make sure they get their QB.
RE: RE: I have to admit  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14299885 Bill L said:
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In comment 14299751 gidiefor said:


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I'm warming up to Haskins

I didn't warm up to any of the QBs last year -- but Haskins has a bunch of things going for him that the big three last year didn't

He's strong -- I mean really strong. He has a great physical, mental, and mature presence. He shows up big in big time games. He stands tall in the pocket and makes strikes when he's got someone coming at him. He has terrific will power that shows in some plays like the play Eli made in getting out of the grasp and getting the ball to Tyree in Super Bowl 42. He also gets the ball out fast, decisively and accurately. He spreads the ball around. He's got both power and can make a screen pass work. I like him.

If the Giants really like Haskins then they have to move up this year to get him - imo


I've warmed up to Haskins too. But only to the extent that if he gets picked at #6, I won't retch. I still prefer to go for elite talent, which will only be DL at that spot. It's not only a need but also a strategy to build a team by getting the best players with the idea that next year, even with an uncomfortable package in trade, we can get a better QB that can slip right in because the supporting cast will be in place.


Great year for DE in FA. I see us going after a vet guy or two for Bettcher. We infused some young talent last year with Hill and Carter now bring in some vets. This is not to say we won't go DL in the draft but I do think it's QB as Plan A in round 1.
I want Kyler Murray, but doubt thats who DG takes...  
Leg of Theismann : 2/19/2019 2:11 pm : link
All signs point to a pass rusher, or I think best DL available. All 4 super bowl winning Giants teams had one thing in common: they could rush the passer. That was a key to victory for all 4 super bowl winning teams and is a key to victory for pretty much any team in todays NFL. And the 2019 class is deep with edge rushers and DL. Not to mention we all know DG is intent to build in the trenches. Oh and another thing: DG did not pay Vernon. Im sure nothing irks DG more than seeing OVs massive cap number knowing he didnt even sign him and the guy cant even make it through a full season. I think one of the Edge guys falls to us and that allows DG to move on from Vernon in 2020. If he can land a QB he likes in 2020 draft he can also move on from Eli and by 2021 the team will be fully DGs with plenty of cap room to shape the team however he wants and compete for a titile.
Signs point more toward QB than pass rusher  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 6:06 pm : link
That'll probably come either in FA or top 4 rounds of the draft
Former GM Charley Casserly on the top of the draft  
Pan-handler : 2/19/2019 6:44 pm : link
And the Giants pick at 6


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