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NFT: Some Yanks news: Ellsbury and prospect Mike King

Jints in Carolina : 2/14/2019 8:06 am
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Yankees general manager Brian Cashman announced to the media Wednesday that outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury won’t be reporting to camp until next month, as he’s currently being slowed by a case of plantar fasciitis (link via Dan Martin of the New York Post). It’s not yet clear whether Ellsbury will be ready for Opening Day, nor is it clear how much playing time would be available to Ellsbury considering a Yankees outfield mix that features Aaron Judge, Aaron Hicks, Brett Gardner and Giancarlo Stanton (with Clint Frazier also looming in the minors). Ellsbury seems poised for a bench role after missing the entire 2018 season due to injury (most notably including hip surgery).

The injury news didn’t stop there for the Yanks, either, as right-handed pitching prospect Mike King has been shut down for the next three weeks after an MRI revealed a stress reaction in his right elbow. He’ll be re-evaluated after that three-week down period. The 23-year-old King posted a ridiculous 1.79 ERA with 8.5 K/9 against 1.6 BB/9 in 161 1/3 innings across three levels last season, topping out with a brilliant six-start run in Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.


What a disaster Ellsbury has been. Stealing money like Carl Pavano.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/yankees-rumors-jacoby-ellsbury-injury.html - ( New Window )
Keep Ellsbury on the DL for 2 more years  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/14/2019 8:20 am : link
If he's not retiring. Yankees get an 80% insurance kickback
The insurance is typically bought in 3-year increments...  
Dunedin81 : 2/14/2019 8:24 am : link
and so would lapse after this year, in all likelihood. It would probably be cost-prohibitive to reinsure. Accordingly, I'd expect him to be a DFA candidate unless he's a passable 4th OF at season's end.
jacoby ellbury stars as  
viggie : 2/14/2019 8:24 am : link

Mr. Glass
RE: Keep Ellsbury on the DL for 2 more years  
Jints in Carolina : 2/14/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14296342 CromartiesKid21 said:
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If he's not retiring. Yankees get an 80% insurance kickback


You can't say DL any longer.
Odds King ends up getting TJ Surgery shortly?  
The_Boss : 2/14/2019 8:44 am : link
Would be a blow to the pitching depth should injury or poor performance strike the back end of the rotation. The last thing I want to see is more Cessa.
Non-news on Ellsbury  
rich in DC : 2/14/2019 8:46 am : link
I think that this is just a show- the Yanks need a plausible reason to put Ellsbury on the 60 day DL if and when they add a FA/add a non-roster guy to the 40 or make a trade.

I can almost predict that when it becomes necessary to put him on the 60 day DL, we will hear how in ramping up his training, he strained a knee/ankle/other body part in compensating for his plantar injury and will miss 4 months.

Ellsbury is playing along because he has no pressure to return and gets paid for it. The Yanks likely have a deal with Boras to release Ellsbury at the end of the season- that last year is a sunk cost, but so be it. Eating $21M in 2020 and $5M in 2021 is not as big a sunk cost as eating the whole $47M due Ellsbury.

Both sides get what they want- Ellsbury doesn't have to embarrass himself losing out to Gardner/Frazier for LF and hurt his ability to market himself this coming offseason as "healthy" and a starter level player. If he can't beat out those two, he likely will have trouble finding a job. If he can blame injury, at least teams can dream on the 2010-2014 version of Ellsbury finding lightening in a bottle.

The Yanks get their insurance on 60-70% of the contract and everyone is happy.
RE: Odds King ends up getting TJ Surgery shortly?  
rich in DC : 2/14/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14296360 The_Boss said:
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Would be a blow to the pitching depth should injury or poor performance strike the back end of the rotation. The last thing I want to see is more Cessa.


Short of Cessa getting hurt or having absolutely nothing this spring- or the Yanks signing a FA/making a trade, Cessa is almost assured a roster spot in April.

Remember Cessa is out of options and must pass through waivers before the Yanks can send him back to the minors- and some team would claim him for nothing.

The Yanks options are limited- they can keep him on the 25 man roster and hope he shows enough to hold down a spot and eventually become tradeable- or they can lose him via trade or waiver claim. Those are basically their only remaining options.
Is it possible? Sure...  
Dunedin81 : 2/14/2019 8:51 am : link
but until it happens you can't get too animated about it. It's ST, not uncommon for kids to come in with nagging stuff.
Ellsbury isn't Carl Pavano...  
Dunedin81 : 2/14/2019 8:54 am : link
he has hurt himself doing gritty things, like running into OF fences. We make fun of him because he can't stay healthy and because he's horribly overpaid, but he's not a wuss.
RE: Is it possible? Sure...  
rich in DC : 2/14/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14296367 Dunedin81 said:
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but until it happens you can't get too animated about it. It's ST, not uncommon for kids to come in with nagging stuff.


Yeah, in a good year,inevitably 2 or 3 pitching prospects will undergo surgery. In a bad year, well, let's not think about it.

Remember that last year, Albert Abreu (granted, he had an appendectomy- does that count?), Glenn Otto had surgery for a blood clot in his shoulder, and I think Perez had shoulder surgery.
Stress reaction in elbow?  
Beer Man : 2/14/2019 10:40 am : link
That seems to always be followed by Tommy John (8<
Rich  
arniefez : 2/14/2019 11:15 am : link
Ellsbury isn't looking for a job when the Yankees get done paying him. He's not interested in playing baseball. He's going to take his money and go have a nice life. Anyone who buys he's not in FL because of a foot injury is pretty dumb. Since when can't you fly with Plantar Fasciitis? Wouldn't the Yankees want their doctors to look at him? If Aaron Judge had Plantar Fasciitis would the Yankees tell him to stay in CA?
The Real reason the Yankees are hanging on to Ellsbury  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/14/2019 11:41 am : link
As long as Ellsbury is on the 60 day DL, his salary does not count when calculating the luxury tax. Other than that it makes no sense to keep him. As for insurance, does anyone really know how that works ? Does the insured player have to be on the roster ? Albert Belle didn't. After he suffered his career ending injury the Orioles released him and collected on the insurance.
RE: RE: Is it possible? Sure...  
RasputinPrime : 2/14/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14296397 rich in DC said:
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but until it happens you can't get too animated about it. It's ST, not uncommon for kids to come in with nagging stuff.



Yeah, in a good year,inevitably 2 or 3 pitching prospects will undergo surgery. In a bad year, well, let's not think about it.

Remember that last year, Albert Abreu (granted, he had an appendectomy- does that count?), Glenn Otto had surgery for a blood clot in his shoulder, and I think Perez had shoulder surgery.


Agreed. I always feel for players who have to fight a body that won't keep up with their drive to succeed. That said, Ellsbury got paid for one season no one thought he would ever come close to duplicating.
RE: The Real reason the Yankees are hanging on to Ellsbury  
Mad Mike : 2/14/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14296572 Ron from Ninerland said:
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As long as Ellsbury is on the 60 day DL, his salary does not count when calculating the luxury tax. Other than that it makes no sense to keep him. As for insurance, does anyone really know how that works ? Does the insured player have to be on the roster ? Albert Belle didn't. After he suffered his career ending injury the Orioles released him and collected on the insurance.

Albert Belle remained on the disabled list, he wasn't officially released. When Prince Fielder was in essentially the same situation, I think the Rangers worked out a settlement with the insurance company so they actually could release him. No idea if they took a haircut on the insurance payout so they could do that.
RE: Odds King ends up getting TJ Surgery shortly?  
Deejboy : 2/14/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14296360 The_Boss said:
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Would be a blow to the pitching depth should injury or poor performance strike the back end of the rotation. The last thing I want to see is more Cessa.

Stress reactions are bone problems not ligament problems. Stress reactions are irritation at the back of the ulna bone. Stress reactions can turn into stress fractures which do require surgery. They can be treated by rest and therapy.

Yu Darvish had a stress reaction injury last year and it had nothing with his reconstructed UCL after Tommy John surgery.
No...  
Dunedin81 : 2/14/2019 12:23 pm : link
when you're on the 60-day, you still count for luxury tax purposes. If they cut him he still counts. The only way he doesn't count is if they trade him and the other team takes some or all of his money, which won't happen.
..  
Ryan in Albany : 2/14/2019 12:44 pm : link
ChrisShearn
ChrisShearn
@ChrisShearnYES
Talked to someone with knowledge of the ongoing Harper Machado saga. He doesn’t think it will resolve until mid-March.

Ridiculous.
RE: ..  
The_Boss : 2/14/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14296674 Ryan in Albany said:
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ChrisShearn
ChrisShearn
@ChrisShearnYES
Talked to someone with knowledge of the ongoing Harper Machado saga. He doesn’t think it will resolve until mid-March.

Ridiculous.


What kind of game readiness will those guys be in if their spring training is all of 10-14 days before Opening Day?
RE: No...  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/14/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14296647 Dunedin81 said:
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when you're on the 60-day, you still count for luxury tax purposes. If they cut him he still counts. The only way he doesn't count is if they trade him and the other team takes some or all of his money, which won't happen.
you might be right. The CBA is fuzzy about this. It specifically says that if a player is DFA'd and then outrighted to the minors, his salary does not count for the period he's not on the 40 man roster. It also says if a player is terminated/released, the salary DOES count. I couldn't find out what happens if the player is off the 40 man roster due to being on the 60 day disabled list.
I'm not trying to be contrarian...  
Dunedin81 : 2/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
I'm telling you this is the case. He spent all of last year on the 60 day and every dollar counted.
Latest Vegas odds where Machado signs  
Stan in LA : 2/14/2019 4:22 pm : link
1-2 Yankees
4-1 San Diego
5-1 White Sox
5-1 Phillies
RE: Latest Vegas odds where Machado signs  
BigBlueShock : 2/14/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14296889 Stan in LA said:
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1-2 Yankees
4-1 San Diego
5-1 White Sox
5-1 Phillies

Have those lines moved a ton recently? I have no idea what the odds have generally been so I’m curious to if they’ve swung significantly, which could be telling if so
RE: RE: Latest Vegas odds where Machado signs  
Stan in LA : 2/14/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14296976 BigBlueShock said:
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1-2 Yankees
4-1 San Diego
5-1 White Sox
5-1 Phillies


Have those lines moved a ton recently? I have no idea what the odds have generally been so I’m curious to if they’ve swung significantly, which could be telling if so


Those odds were as of today.
RE: RE: RE: Latest Vegas odds where Machado signs  
BigBlueShock : 2/14/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14296999 Stan in LA said:
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1-2 Yankees
4-1 San Diego
5-1 White Sox
5-1 Phillies


Have those lines moved a ton recently? I have no idea what the odds have generally been so I’m curious to if they’ve swung significantly, which could be telling if so



Those odds were as of today.

I know that. My question was, are those odds in line from where they’ve been or has there been a recent shift? I’m just curious as to whether the Yanks have always been such strong favorites or if something made them move the line recently. Either way, no big deal
Don't know that  
Stan in LA : 2/14/2019 7:57 pm : link
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saw Boone on the sports report tonight -  
Del Shofner : 2/14/2019 11:51 pm : link
a bunch of grey hair that wasn't there last year. I think he's up for it, but being the manager of the NYY has got to be pretty high-stress. Looking back on it, whatever you think about Joe Torre he had a pretty good mentality for the job. I liked Girardi but I can see he got wound up and that may have rubbed off on the players.

Anyway, looking forward to baseball since football and basketball haven't exactly been rewarding to the local fans in the last couple of years.
A little bit of prospect talk for a Friday morning...  
Dunedin81 : 2/15/2019 11:33 am : link
With all the talk of this July's flavor of the month, Jasson Dominguez, we shouldn't forget about last July's flavor of the month, Kevin Alcantara. 6'6" and with legit CF speed, he has light-tower BP power and a solid contact tool. Lewis Brinson with a better hit tool is a comp I've heard. Now at 6'6" with some long levers the hit tool may not be the easiest one to hone, but with that athleticism it's easy to dream on a Winfield-like future for the kid.
Yankees signing Sevy to a multi year deal avoiding arbitration  
Ace718 : 2/15/2019 11:41 am : link
According to Sherman on Twitter
RE: Yankees signing Sevy to a multi year deal avoiding arbitration  
Heisenberg : 2/15/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14297379 Ace718 said:
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According to Sherman on Twitter
good news
4 years $40 million for Severino with an option.  
Ace718 : 2/15/2019 11:42 am : link
According to Sherman
Passan on Twitter  
Ace718 : 2/15/2019 11:44 am : link
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Starter Luis Severino and the New York Yankees are in agreement on a four-year, $40 million contract extension that includes a fifth-year club option, a league source tells ESPN. The deal will buy out four years of arbitration and potentially one free agent season.


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