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Not going by the 2018 season with Rosen, but the concerns

Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 11:50 am
of his college concussions are still there, no? Why would we take a chance on the (strong?) possibility that his next concussion could be a career-ender?

This has been touched upon of course, but this is really a big issue/concern.

If this has been discussed in detail, let me know and I’ll delete if necessary..

This cannot be taken lightly vis a vis any possible (speculative) trade talks between the Giants and Cards, imho.
Is a possible trade between the Cards and Giants  
Mike from Ohio : 2/14/2019 11:55 am : link
for Rosen anything more than fan fiction?
RE: Is a possible trade between the Cards and Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14296596 Mike from Ohio said:
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for Rosen anything more than fan fiction?


It's solely based on a comment Kliff Kingsbury made before he was hired by Arizona.
He injured his hand and his foot as a rookie  
since1925 : 2/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
The thumb cost him two preseason games.

He also had a right shoulder injury in college that cost him six games. He had surgery at the time and it hasn't reoccurred.

And, of course, there were the concussions. It's fair to wonder about his durability.
RE: Is a possible trade between the Cards and Giants  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14296596 Mike from Ohio said:
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for Rosen anything more than fan fiction?


That’s why I put the word speculative near the end of my OP
RE: He injured his hand and his foot as a rookie  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14296610 since1925 said:
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The thumb cost him two preseason games.

He also had a right shoulder injury in college that cost him six games. He had surgery at the time and it hasn't reoccurred.

And, of course, there were the concussions. It's fair to wonder about his durability.


Agreed, but tge injuries you cite occurs rather frequently with players. Concussions? That’s the real worry
Some folks don't worry about height/size  
ZogZerg : 2/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
Others don't worry about concussion concerns.

I guess the Cards are F'd either way;)
I just don't see the Giants trading more than a #3 for him  
SGMen : 2/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
And no way AZ trades for that little. Even a #2 would be a reach given his durability issues.

I mean, if you were SURE his concussion issues weren't a big deal; even if you were sure his shoulder was fine; and, even if you thought his overall injury woes were more bad luck than anything else; well, you still have his EGO issues as word is he is arrogant. I don't know if the Giants would give up a #2 for him even.
The concussions are a serious concern with Rosen. I'm assuming that's  
Ira : 2/14/2019 12:26 pm : link
why he fell to 10.
I Want No Part Of Rosen  
Trainmaster : 2/14/2019 12:38 pm : link
I didn’t want him in 2018 due to his concussion issues and the family medical connections and financial position. His attitude at his post draft press conference added to my concerns (seems to have a Rivers like on field personality).

All I hope for is the Rosen situation leading to one of Bosa, Q Williams or J Allen dropping to the Giants at 6.
Josh Allen Missed 4 Games Last Year Due to Injury  
Jim in Tampa : 2/14/2019 12:40 pm : link
Sam Darnold missed 3.

Josh Rosen missed ZERO games due to injury. (He didn't start the season, but played 14 games.)

If he has another concussion in 2019 it will be two years since his previous one and since concussion frequency is just as important as the total number of concussions, it's incredibly doubtful that his next concussion will be a career ender.
Giants trading for Rosen  
cjac : 2/14/2019 12:41 pm : link
is as realistic as the Giants trading Odell to the Rams
RE: Josh Allen Missed 4 Games Last Year Due to Injury  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14296669 Jim in Tampa said:
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Sam Darnold missed 3.

Josh Rosen missed ZERO games due to injury. (He didn't start the season, but played 14 games.)

If he has another concussion in 2019 it will be two years since his previous one and since concussion frequency is just as important as the total number of concussions, it's incredibly doubtful that his next concussion will be a career ender.


That’s why I said COULD be a career-ender like Steve Young (albeit nearing the end anyway), Jake Plummer and others that have presently escaped my mind
Just Draft Haskins, have him sit behind Eli for one more year  
GiantBlue : 2/14/2019 12:50 pm : link
I could see our OL and skill players loving what he could bring.....mainly athleticism, accuracy, a gun and charisma to lead.
RE: RE: Josh Allen Missed 4 Games Last Year Due to Injury  
Jim in Tampa : 2/14/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14296681 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14296669 Jim in Tampa said:


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Sam Darnold missed 3.

Josh Rosen missed ZERO games due to injury. (He didn't start the season, but played 14 games.)

If he has another concussion in 2019 it will be two years since his previous one and since concussion frequency is just as important as the total number of concussions, it's incredibly doubtful that his next concussion will be a career ender.



That’s why I said COULD be a career-ender like Steve Young (albeit nearing the end anyway), Jake Plummer and others that have presently escaped my mind


Yes, you qualified it by saying "could" while at the same time suggesting that it was a "strong?" possibility.
Strong with a question mark.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 12:56 pm : link
I don’t see an appreciable difference even if you’re technically correct. Just the same, I thought my point was clear
RE: Strong with a question mark.  
Jim in Tampa : 2/14/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14296688 Big Blue '56 said:
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I don’t see an appreciable difference even if you’re technically correct. Just the same, I thought my point was clear

So in other words, what you meant to say was...

Why would the Giants take a chance on the possibility, which may or may not be strong, that Rosen's next concussion may or may not be a career-ender?
This wont happen  
Jeff : 2/14/2019 1:02 pm : link
and as said above his attitude after slipping in the draft made me happy we didnt take him. We certainly wouldnt trade any high draft picks for him.
RE: RE: Strong with a question mark.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14296692 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14296688 Big Blue '56 said:


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I don’t see an appreciable difference even if you’re technically correct. Just the same, I thought my point was clear


So in other words, what you meant to say was...

Why would the Giants take a chance on the possibility, which may or may not be strong, that Rosen's next concussion may or may not be a career-ender?


Yes. Let’s lean more to speculative..😎
Btw,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 1:14 pm : link
I’m wondering whether or not Kyle Sloter might be on Shurmur’s radar and whether or not he would deem him to have more upside than KL or any of these guys coming out this year?
Giants monitored Sloter a year ago  
JonC : 2/14/2019 1:14 pm : link
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I've never wanted Rosen for the G-men and still don't.  
Red Dog : 2/14/2019 1:19 pm : link
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RE: Giants monitored Sloter a year ago  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14296706 JonC said:
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I recall. So that’s tgat, iyo?
that  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 1:25 pm : link
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Haven't heard anything new on him  
JonC : 2/14/2019 1:27 pm : link
since they drafted KL.
I wasn't in the Milton Zone...  
bw in dc : 2/14/2019 1:30 pm : link
but I really like Rosen.

However, his injury history bothered me pre-draft, too. And it would still bother me now.

So it's legitimate to re-raise it if there was a real chance to acquire him. On the plus side, it was encouraging to see him survive last year behind that drunk oline. That may have toughened him up, and that's a very good thing...
RE: Haven't heard anything new on him  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14296716 JonC said:
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since they drafted KL.


Thank you
Again, the issues with Rosen  
JonC : 2/14/2019 1:35 pm : link
were mental makeup/personality related.
RE: Again, the issues with Rosen  
mrvax : 2/14/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14296724 JonC said:
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were mental makeup/personality related.


Dave Te opined the same.
honestly this isn't even worth debating anymore  
ron mexico : 2/14/2019 1:56 pm : link
the owner and coach of Ari said Rosen is their guy and there is no way the Giants are cutting Eli, which is the only way this would make sense for us.

Not trying to stifle debate, but this isn't happening.
Only on bbi  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/14/2019 3:00 pm : link
Is a HoF qb that throws 4000+ yds, 21-11, and 67% despised and wanting to be dumped for some on who throws 2000 yds, 11-14, and 55% for a 6th overall pick.
RE: Only on bbi  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14296790 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Is a HoF qb that throws 4000+ yds, 21-11, and 67% despised and wanting to be dumped for some on who throws 2000 yds, 11-14, and 55% for a 6th overall pick.


I don’t want any other vet but Eli. Let the young QB sit and learn. Regardless, the OL must be further upgraded, yesterday.
RE: Josh Allen Missed 4 Games Last Year Due to Injury  
Pan-handler : 2/14/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14296669 Jim in Tampa said:
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Sam Darnold missed 3.

Josh Rosen missed ZERO games due to injury. (He didn't start the season, but played 14 games.)

If he has another concussion in 2019 it will be two years since his previous one and since concussion frequency is just as important as the total number of concussions, it's incredibly doubtful that his next concussion will be a career ender.


And that was behind a terrible OL , potentially weak offensive system, lack of a great running game and questionable Wrs
I mean I have to say it is a huge coincidence  
Leg of Theismann : 2/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
This guy said on record, on television, he would take Kyler Murray number 1 overall if he had the chance. Here he is as an NFL head coach with the #1 pick and Kyler Murray has committed 100% to football. Not saying it's going to happen but that whole thing is fairly serendipitous don't you think?

BTW I hope the Cards don't take Murray, because I want the Giants to take him :)
The relentless Rosen lobby  
TMS : 2/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
continues their campaign again this year. Please make it stop.
Cards new Head Coach  
bc4life : 2/14/2019 4:05 pm : link
says Rosen aint going anywhere
rosen  
jurban : 2/14/2019 4:46 pm : link
you are now entering the twilight zone....procede with caution
RE: The relentless Rosen lobby  
Jim in Tampa : 2/14/2019 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14296853 TMS said:
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continues their campaign again this year. Please make it stop.

You have the power to make it stop by not clicking on the fucking thread!
RE: Only on bbi  
sxdxca : 2/14/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14296790 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Is a HoF qb that throws 4000+ yds, 21-11, and 67% despised and wanting to be dumped for some on who throws 2000 yds, 11-14, and 55% for a 6th overall pick.


Your logic is in fact faulty, and short sighted. It is not a knock on Eli Manning, it is in fact the reality. He is 38 years old, and on the back nine of his career. It is coming to an end.

Josh Rosen just turned 22 years old, and will not be entering his prime for another 5 years. He throws a beautiful ball, and has 15 years of good Quarterbacking left in him.
RE: Is a possible trade between the Cards and Giants  
SterlingArcher : 2/14/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14296596 Mike from Ohio said:
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for Rosen anything more than fan fiction?
Spot on Mike! All this qb talk is pure fiction, no one knows what the Giants are going to do between now and the draft. I guess some have fun speculating, but that is all it is.
RE: I mean I have to say it is a huge coincidence  
bw in dc : 2/14/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14296837 Leg of Theismann said:
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This guy said on record, on television, he would take Kyler Murray number 1 overall if he had the chance. Here he is as an NFL head coach with the #1 pick and Kyler Murray has committed 100% to football. Not saying it's going to happen but that whole thing is fairly serendipitous don't you think?

BTW I hope the Cards don't take Murray, because I want the Giants to take him :)


You realize when he said it, right?
Everything right now is fan fiction ...  
FStubbs : 2/15/2019 8:16 am : link
... but Rosen to the Giants has at least a little plausibility. The Giants seemed to like Rosen (not enough to draft him #2 of course) and the Cardinals might decide to move on from him. There's nothing that happened last year that would make the Giants not like Rosen now, so they could decide to see what it would take to bring him here and have him sit behind Eli for a year.

Though I think if Rosen really is made available, Washington or Jacksonville will make much better offers for him than the Giants would.
Guess we will be nagged to death till the draft  
TMS : 2/16/2019 6:58 pm : link
by the Rosen lobby. Make it stop. Start identifying who they are is a starter.
RE: Guess we will be nagged to death till the draft  
section125 : 2/16/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14298490 TMS said:
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by the Rosen lobby. Make it stop. Start identifying who they are is a starter.


Why? The Rosen Lobby? Any different than any other lobby? Don't like it, then don't click on it.
I wanted Rosen last year, he throws the best ball out of all the QBs drafted last year. He sees the field at least as well as all of them. Yes he had a couple medical issues, and the concussions were troubling.
He looks to be more mobile than Haskins.

They could do a lot worse.
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