Alliance of American Football co-founder Bill Polian said Thursday that the startup league had talked to Colin Kaepernick. Now, comes word from Barry Wilner of the Associated Press that the former 49ers quarterback asked for $20 million to consider playing.
This helps support the argument that one of the main reasons he hasn't been signed is due to his contract demands.
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than the NFL. No one gives a shit about the AAF but the minute he put on a uniform, they would.
This is the right take. Why shouldn’t he ask for huge money to play in this second rate nonsense?
Yeah right. He's 31 years old and hasn't played in 3 years. He doesn't deserve anything more than anyone else and even if you wanted to argue that he did, $20 million is absurd.
It amazes me this gets overlooked. Of course because it doesn’t align with his agenda and how everyone wants to paint him as a victim.
Can we finally more on from this guy? He wasn’t very good anyway.
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He chose not to. I'm no longer interested in this kabuki nonsense.
It amazes me this gets overlooked. Of course because it doesn’t align with his agenda and how everyone wants to paint him as a victim.
Can we finally more on from this guy? He wasn’t very good anyway.
I am by no means a Kaepernick fan, but IIRC, the Broncos' offer came prior to 2016 and all the hooplah with his protests. Who cares what anyone offered him when he wasn't a liability?
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Kaepernick is just as responsible, IMO, for his inability to sign with a team.
The rumors were that he was asking for starters money from the get go.
The truth is, once Kaepernick actually gets signed and shows to be the average (at best) player that he is, the fifteen minutes of fame are over.
Kaepernick is way more brand than player.
I agree with most of this, especially CK being more brand than player.
I've thought at times that CK didn't even want to play football anymore. He was relishing this new fame as this martyr. And from what I've read, he's not short on cash flow either. Apparently Nike paid him very handsomely for that ad campaign last fall.
Probably a lot more than they would've if he was playing somewhere and proving (again) to be a mediocre QB.
The Broncos thing was before any of the kneeling stuff. He chose to stay with the Niners. Has nothing to do with later being blacklisted which of course he was and not only do most people on this thread know that but they actually AGREE with it and think it's good thing that he was blacklisted.
As far as turning down the AAF, it's like a black-listed actor in the 1950's turning down dinner theater. Of course he doesn't want to do that.
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He chose not to. I'm no longer interested in this kabuki nonsense.
It amazes me this gets overlooked. Of course because it doesn’t align with his agenda and how everyone wants to paint him as a victim.
Can we finally more on from this guy? He wasn’t very good anyway.
I am by no means a Kaepernick fan, but IIRC, the Broncos' offer came prior to 2016 and all the hooplah with his protests. Who cares what anyone offered him when he wasn't a liability?
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because their current starting QB sucks or there was injury to their starting QB
Panthers
Jaguars
Bucs
Dolphins
Broncos
Redskins
49ers
the fact he was never even brought in for a workout by one team shows that he was blacklisted .. to argue otherwise is just really delusional.
Newton played in 14 games last year. There was zero value bringing in CK at that point.
Winston has far more (arm) talent that CK ever did and has proven a hell of a lot more than CK. And I'm far from a Winston fan.
Keenum's 2017 is better than any season CK's ever had.
Redskins - depends what kind of football shape CK was in at that point and how much he wanted.
49ers - makes no sense being the last team he played for and the fact he lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.
Dolphins - Tannehill is a better QB than CK, though I'd take CK at $5M per over Tannehill for $18-20M or whatever he was making. No idea if CK was willing to do that and with a coach on the hot seat, no point in bringing in CK.
I'll give you the Jags. Bortles is trash and never should've been re-signed.
So of your 7, really only 1-3 (Jags + Skins + Fins) made sense. Problem for CK is that he's a backup level QB and not exactly young anymore. So while he might be better than the QBs for some teams (e.g. Dolphins), they are far better off trying to bring in a young QB with the potential to be a long term starter, than signing CK. And at the other end of the spectrum, most teams in the playoff hunt (Jags the primary exception) have established starters making serious money and aren't going to want to pay a backup significant money too.
because their current starting QB sucks or there was injury to their starting QB
Panthers
Jaguars
Bucs
Dolphins
Broncos
Redskins
49ers
the fact he was never even brought in for a workout by one team shows that he was blacklisted .. to argue otherwise is just really delusional.
Washingron was particularly desperate, but I might have paid good money to see Kapernick sign with the Redskins
I am by no means a Kaepernick fan, but IIRC, the Broncos' offer came prior to 2016 and all the hooplah with his protests. Who cares what anyone offered him when he wasn't a liability?
He was still on the 49ers as of 2016.
I did not know that. Thanks for the post.
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He chose not to. I'm no longer interested in this kabuki nonsense.
The Broncos thing was before any of the kneeling stuff. He chose to stay with the Niners. Has nothing to do with later being blacklisted which of course he was and not only do most people on this thread know that but they actually AGREE with it and think it's good thing that he was blacklisted.
As far as turning down the AAF, it's like a black-listed actor in the 1950's turning down dinner theater. Of course he doesn't want to do that.
I didn’t know that. I can’t say whether Kapernick would be competitive if the field, but I support his stance on kneeling during the anthem. It’s an important issue that is being hijacked by jingoism.
There's no way a QB with his talent and track record doesn't get a long look and offers from other teams unless something else is going on. It really isn't all that hard to understand. He pissed off a lot of people and NFL owners wanted no part of him or the blow-back from signing him. To keep pretending that all these teams just made football-only decisions about him is ludicrous.
Jeff George was out of football just two years after a very good season in Minnesota because teams just didn't want to deal with him, and he was a much more talented QB than Kaepernick ever was. How is this any different?
There's no way a QB with his talent and track record doesn't get a long look and offers from other teams unless something else is going on. It really isn't all that hard to understand. He pissed off a lot of people and NFL owners wanted no part of him or the blow-back from signing him. To keep pretending that all these teams just made football-only decisions about him is ludicrous.
Is Tebow being blackballed as well? Why didn't he get another chance? It's simple as both Tebow and Kaepernick aren't good enough to be starting QB's in the NFL and they create too much of a distraction, and in Kaep' case wants too much money, which isn't worth it for a backup QB that may never see the field.
Jeff George was out of football just two years after a very good season in Minnesota because teams just didn't want to deal with him, and he was a much more talented QB than Kaepernick ever was. How is this any different?
Well said Greg.
This is ridiculous. These owners cannot agree on anything unanimously
The owners individually evaluated Kaepernick and came to their own conclusion
Kaepernick over played his hand
He has some talent but his baggage along with his requested compensation made him undesirable
If Kaepernick was a top 10 QB one owner would have signed him regardless of his off the field issues
Ability trumps all
Jeff George was out of football just two years after a very good season in Minnesota because teams just didn't want to deal with him, and he was a much more talented QB than Kaepernick ever was. How is this any different?
Stop being rational!
Ability trumps all
Yes. Michael Vick got another chance despite baggage much worse than Kaepernick's because he was a much better QB.
Why would any team want the bad press and attention associated with a backup QB? It's a position that might not see playing time the entire season. He lost his starting job with the 49ers and also opted out of his contract.
Dude hasn't been in the league for 3 years and we still perseverate on the anthem. His presence on any team is only going to continue said perseveration.
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If Kaepernick was a top 10 QB one owner would have signed him regardless of his off the field issues
Ability trumps all
Yes. Michael Vick got another chance despite baggage much worse than Kaepernick's because he was a much better QB.
No, Vick got another chance because his offense didn't trigger NFL owners and fans as much as Kaepernick's.
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If Kaepernick was a top 10 QB one owner would have signed him regardless of his off the field issues
Ability trumps all
Yes. Michael Vick got another chance despite baggage much worse than Kaepernick's because he was a much better QB.
No, Vick got another chance because his offense didn't trigger NFL owners and fans as much as Kaepernick's.
I guess you missed all the protests lead by PETA and the fans. There was a lot of outrage when Vick was signed.
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My recollection was tha Kaepernick chose to leave San Fransico
He opted out of his contract
It is within Kaepernick’s intersest to propergate the concept that there was collusion
If he can prove collusion and fraud against the owners he can win an enormous amount of money in thx courts
That is Kaepernick’s end game
He cannot accept less than a certain amount of compensation as it would hurt his case
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I am by no means a Kaepernick fan, but IIRC, the Broncos' offer came prior to 2016 and all the hooplah with his protests. Who cares what anyone offered him when he wasn't a liability?
He was still on the 49ers as of 2016.
Please read my other post. You got the situation wrong, sir.
Kaep was playing poorly during the '15 season and was benched by the 49ers in Nov of '15.
Broncos were willing to trade for him in spring of '16 and let him compete for starting job, but wanted to restructure his contract (based on his current status).
Kaep didn't want his contract redone, i.e., paycut to go to Denver
Kaep started his protests early in '16 season (began sitting during anthem in preseason and then kneeling during regular season) as a non-starter for 49ers.
Bottom line, collusion isn't necessary for individual owners to decide on their own that he's not worth starter money, especially considering the distraction and financial damage (loss of revenue) he could bring to a franchise.
they postpone it indefinitely
NFL teams have workouts every week during the season .. for many positions even those they have depth in .. .. the fact is Kaepernick has never gotten a workout from one NFL team since he was released from SF .. this is the very definition of collusion.
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This is actually more proof that these were decisions made independently by individual franchises = no collusion.
Seattle wanted to know more about his current stance, i.e., was he going to continue to be a distraction and participate in something that a lot of fans (you know, the ones that pay for his salary) didn't appreciate.
they postpone it indefinitely
NFL teams have workouts every week during the season .. for many positions even those they have depth in .. .. the fact is Kaepernick has never gotten a workout from one NFL team since he was released from SF .. this is the very definition of collusion. Seahawks postpone workout for Colin Kaepernick - ( New Window )
99.99% of the players brought in for those weekly workouts are willing to accept league minimum contracts. Even if you don't believe that CK was looking for "starters" money, there's little to believe he was willing to play for the league minimum or anything close to it.
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If Kaepernick was a top 10 QB one owner would have signed him regardless of his off the field issues
Ability trumps all
Yes. Michael Vick got another chance despite baggage much worse than Kaepernick's because he was a much better QB.
No, Vick got another chance because his offense didn't trigger NFL owners and fans as much as Kaepernick's.
No, Vick got a 2nd chance because he went to jail, paid his dues and actually reformed who he was. He fucked up and realized he needed to change.
You're completely discrediting someone who had the humility to admit he was wrong and changed his life. From what i've read, his change was legitimate.
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NFL teams have workouts every week during the season .. for many positions even those they have depth in .. .. the fact is Kaepernick has never gotten a workout from one NFL team since he was released from SF .. this is the very definition of collusion. Seahawks postpone workout for Colin Kaepernick - ( New Window )
Apparently, he's had several offers since he opted out of his contract and turned them down. Again, that is his privilege. If teams deem others more worthwhile given their salary demands than a 31 year old running qb, that's the market.
The issue is money. He opted out of a contract with the Niners that got re-worked in 2016 to give him a $14 million dollar paycheck and the opt-out in exchange for giving up $14 million in injury guarantees. He exercised the opt out, but if the reports concerning his salary demands are correct, I can see where he is sitting on the sidelines since that is far and above what he was making on the Niners, who after all, had benched him in favor of the immortal Blaine Gabbert at one point.
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Because he doesn't want to be exposed as a player that simply isn't that good.
That's a little unfair. His last season with the Niners, he threw for 16 td's and only 4 picks while running for near 500 yards on a bad team. He would no doubt be useful to some team needing a qb.
The issue is money. He opted out of a contract with the Niners that got re-worked in 2016 to give him a $14 million dollar paycheck and the opt-out in exchange for giving up $14 million in injury guarantees. He exercised the opt out, but if the reports concerning his salary demands are correct, I can see where he is sitting on the sidelines since that is far and above what he was making on the Niners, who after all, had benched him in favor of the immortal Blaine Gabbert at one point.
16 td's in 12 games is not good. He was also outplayed by Gabbert the season before.
In 2015 8 starts each
Kaepernick 1615 yards comp% 59 6 td 5 int
Gabbert 2013 yards comp% 63.1 10 td 7 int
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Kaepernick lost his starting job to Blaine Gabbert.
Allow that to sink in.
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Colin Kaepernick could have started for a least 7 NFL teams last year
because their current starting QB sucks or there was injury to their starting QB
Panthers
Jaguars
Bucs
Dolphins
Broncos
Redskins
49ers
the fact he was never even brought in for a workout by one team shows that he was blacklisted .. to argue otherwise is just really delusional.
Both the Broncos and the Redskins contacted his agent and Kaep turned them down. Straight from Elway's mouth:
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John Elway, the team's general manager, told reporters Thursday that he tried to sign Kaepernick and it didn't work out.
"Colin had his chance to be here," Elway said. "We offered him a contract. He didn't take it."
Agreed, FMiC. Also, I'd add if he was blacklisted, why wasn't every player who took the same stance also blacklisted? I think this is a player who was/is a backup qb wanting to be paid starter money, which equally or more so hurt his chances to return to the NFL.
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Colin Kaepernick could have started for a least 7 NFL teams last year
because their current starting QB sucks or there was injury to their starting QB
Panthers
Jaguars
Bucs
Dolphins
Broncos
Redskins
49ers
the fact he was never even brought in for a workout by one team shows that he was blacklisted .. to argue otherwise is just really delusional.
Both the Broncos and the Redskins contacted his agent and Kaep turned them down. Straight from Elway's mouth:
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John Elway, the team's general manager, told reporters Thursday that he tried to sign Kaepernick and it didn't work out.
"Colin had his chance to be here," Elway said. "We offered him a contract. He didn't take it."
Agreed, FMiC. Also, I'd add if he was blacklisted, why wasn't every player who took the same stance also blacklisted? I think this is a player who was/is a backup qb wanting to be paid starter money, which equally or more so hurt his chances to return to the NFL.
Eric Reid claimed he was blacklisted too and he just received a big contract extension.
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Because he doesn't want to be exposed as a player that simply isn't that good.
That's a little unfair. His last season with the Niners, he threw for 16 td's and only 4 picks while running for near 500 yards on a bad team. He would no doubt be useful to some team needing a qb.
The issue is money. He opted out of a contract with the Niners that got re-worked in 2016 to give him a $14 million dollar paycheck and the opt-out in exchange for giving up $14 million in injury guarantees. He exercised the opt out, but if the reports concerning his salary demands are correct, I can see where he is sitting on the sidelines since that is far and above what he was making on the Niners, who after all, had benched him in favor of the immortal Blaine Gabbert at one point.
I see this a lot and I think others don't remember the actual games and just look at the stats in hindsight. I watched the majority of those games as did many others. His play at the time was considered poor. I recall most of his scoring drives being at the end of halves or while the game was out of hand which it usually was. So I looked up his numbers. The bulk of his yards and tds came while they were down 2 or more scores. His stats down 2 or more scores are 1190 yards, 10 tds, 0 int, and a 102 rating while down 2+ scores. Contrast that against 1051 yards, 6 tds, 4 int, and an 80 rating while the game mattered.
I believe his political stance has probably made teams steer away from having him to a degree, but he wasn't a good qb for some time at that point and he was still expecting starter money. I'm sure some teams said why bother.
Pig socks and stupid stunts cost him a lot of $$..
All this.
This is mainly why from the get go I thought his protest was disingenuous. That 2016 training camp "battle" with Blaine Gabbert, it was thought of that Kaepernick should have emerged as the eventual winner but maybe not right away.
Once it became more or less announced that Gabbert would start, Kap takes the knee. The instant reaction isn't any thing political but "WTF are you doing man?".
As time goes on, it appears only Niner fans were cognizant of what really went down, as the team just came off a down year, and it was really unclear who would be a better week 1 starter based off of Kap's injury recovery and mental status. It very quickly became a partisan issue, and nobody talked about why this happened to begin with.
IMHO, I think Kaepernick actually became a better QB late in 2016 than he was in 2014 and maybe even earlier. The 49ers had no defense to produce the "W" which it had done for Kap when he was seen as a "good QB". Watching his actual play, he showed improvement for sure. The Dolphins game in Miami he produced a good comeback but failed at the very end - however, compare that game to the Seahawks hosting the Dolphins at home against a much better team and his performance looks impressive. But by then it was too late to be seen as good both because of the w/l record and the enormous controversy he created.
When it's all said and done, Kap's career came down to 3 individual moments that could have gone very differently and he would be seen in the light of Russell Wilson and Cam Newton today:
1) SB 47 - Had Harbaugh not called timeout, it looked like Kap had a TD rush at the end. The lack of running Gore instead of throwing fades to Crabtree produced a loss that was all on the O. The Ravens might have still won the game as the Niner D was not on fire that game, but maybe at least he would be seen in higher regard. Kap's stats in that game were great (over 10 YPA, 2nd rushing yards for QB all time in SB).
2) 2013 NFC Championship Game - Had the Niners won that game, it's very likely they win the SB. It was a hard fought game, and it's tough to say if he hadn't thrown the INT towards Sherman's side if they would have punched it in. It's possible as that hurry up drive produced the most offense of the game since the last scoring drive.
3) Rejecting the trade to the Broncos following the 2015 season. While the two moments above perhaps keep Kap in the untouchable realm that Russell Wilson and Cam Newton seem to occupy now, this moment if it went differently would have saved Kap from the public eye for a long time.
The 2016 Broncos were just coming off a SB win. They had the dominant defense Kap was used to. Kubiak had the right offense to make Kap work. A likely playoff team under Kap, and nobody would have cared.
So what was the hold up? $5 million. If either the Niners picked up the difference or Kap took the pay cut, the kneeling would never have happened. If only York or Bowlen had hindsight, I'm sure one of them would have picked up the tab for the sake of the league.
In the end, what's most disappointing about the guy is that he wasn't mentally tough when the chips were down. By the time he apparently matured "football wise", he then pulled that stupid stunt.
And the ultimate irony was that he was brought in to beat NYG which Smith had trouble with, but then Seattle became his nemesis whom Smith hasn't lost to since 2010 (!).