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NFT: Mets-DeGrom. Mike was hammering him pretty good

Bubba : 2/15/2019 10:21 am
on WFAN yesterday for hinting he may "shut it down" if a new deal is not worked out. He is getting $17mil this season.

Your thoughts.
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Callaway sure likes to say  
Metnut : 2/19/2019 10:26 am : link
stupid shit.
RE: Callaway sure likes to say  
DanMetroMan : 2/19/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14299881 Metnut said:
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stupid shit.


They have to start the season well or I think he's legit in trouble. Brodie didn't hire him and this is Brodie's team.
Th worst case scenario  
Shecky : 2/19/2019 11:03 am : link
4 man bench. No LH
If/when. Es back, one of the Lb OF to the bench. Solved.
Unti the. Cano on bench every ten games. Conforto and Nimmo breathers to keep healthy. Especially when Lhap SP
RE: Phillies with Harper... Boom :) :) :)  
dep026 : 2/19/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14299592 ZGiants98 said:
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Two of those projected starters may not start. Kingery and Quinn will push for starting jobs and mmake their defense a huge upgrade.
Bummed  
DanMetroMan : 2/19/2019 11:31 am : link
seeing some Mets fans taking shots at DeGrom.

My issue is this...

The GM and owner both went on record stating they planned on making him an offer in the coming weeks. Whether you want them to extend him or not is besides the point. They said they would. They haven't. DeGrom's agent PRIOR to any of this noted in a memo that limiting innings is one option for players not on long term deals.

DeGrom was asked about it, didn't shoot it down and now people (not all) are suddenly upset with DeGrom or feel differently about DeGrom and THAT is fully on the Mets. Control the narrative. Focus on the 2019 team communicate better with your best player. Really sucks to see a guy we all love suddenly getting dinged over something this. It's pretty clear the entire "controversy" could have been avoided by continued dialogue from the Mets and movement toward at the very least.. an initial offer, or a meeting to begin exchanging numbers. It's been 13 weeks sinde Brodie said there would be an offer in the "coming weeks". I think we'd all be frustrated in DeGrom's shoes.
RE: RE: Callaway sure likes to say  
debo_GIANTS : 2/19/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14299882 DanMetroMan said:
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stupid shit.



They have to start the season well or I think he's legit in trouble. Brodie didn't hire him and this is Brodie's team.



Do you think there is any way Brodie fires Mickey Callaway at some point this season and takes over as manager himself? Retaining GM and Manager responsibilities similar to Belichik in NE?

A couple thoughts:
-He already said he plans on traveling with the team when they on the road.
-They hired Riggleman to help with the in game strategy.
-They beefed up their analytics department which they will lean on to set lineups.
-Early vibe from PSL is the players love him and would run through a wall for this guy.
-Ownership seems to trust him enough to let him do this.

RE: RE: RE: Callaway sure likes to say  
DanMetroMan : 2/19/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14299988 debo_GIANTS said:
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stupid shit.



They have to start the season well or I think he's legit in trouble. Brodie didn't hire him and this is Brodie's team.




Do you think there is any way Brodie fires Mickey Callaway at some point this season and takes over as manager himself? Retaining GM and Manager responsibilities similar to Belichik in NE?

A couple thoughts:
-He already said he plans on traveling with the team when they on the road.
-They hired Riggleman to help with the in game strategy.
-They beefed up their analytics department which they will lean on to set lineups.
-Early vibe from PSL is the players love him and would run through a wall for this guy.
-Ownership seems to trust him enough to let him do this.


Too much of a target on his back in a mostly thankless job. I think Riggleman is here in case they need to pull the plug on Mickey. Hey I'm rooting for Mickey, I just question how long the leash is.
Supposedly done  
Shecky : 2/19/2019 11:53 am : link
Staying
MLB.com  
DanMetroMan : 2/19/2019 11:53 am : link
Mets top 30
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Lol debo  
Shecky : 2/19/2019 12:09 pm : link
Love the thought but less than zero chance
Didn't the Mets sign Hechavarria to a minor league deal?  
ZGiants98 : 2/19/2019 9:28 pm : link
They only have to worry about options if they bring him up north from the gecko. They can start him in the minors unless he has an "opt out"

That said, he probably is one of the favorites to make the team.
RE: Didn't the Mets sign Hechavarria to a minor league deal?  
DanMetroMan : 2/19/2019 10:34 pm : link
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They only have to worry about options if they bring him up north from the gecko. They can start him in the minors unless he has an "opt out"

That said, he probably is one of the favorites to make the team.


He has an opt out the last day of ST.
RE: RE: Didn't the Mets sign Hechavarria to a minor league deal?  
ZGiants98 : 2/19/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14300530 DanMetroMan said:
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They only have to worry about options if they bring him up north from the gecko. They can start him in the minors unless he has an "opt out"

That said, he probably is one of the favorites to make the team.



He has an opt out the last day of ST.


Yeah. I guess if he takes the opt out then there is nothing we can do. He might not though. Probably a chance he doesnt get picked up by another team. I like the signing but Im not sure I want to put us in that predicament as far as the flexibility with the bench. Somebody like Espinosa probably isnt that all much different as a bench option and he's probably more willing to be on a shuttle bus. Guess we'll see how it shakes out soon enough.
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 8:58 am : link
any idea what the plan is with Mauricio/Newton? Both should be starting at SS for their perspective teams.
RE: RE: RE: Didn't the Mets sign Hechavarria to a minor league deal?  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 9:09 am : link
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They only have to worry about options if they bring him up north from the gecko. They can start him in the minors unless he has an "opt out"

That said, he probably is one of the favorites to make the team.



He has an opt out the last day of ST.



Yeah. I guess if he takes the opt out then there is nothing we can do. He might not though. Probably a chance he doesnt get picked up by another team. I like the signing but Im not sure I want to put us in that predicament as far as the flexibility with the bench. Somebody like Espinosa probably isnt that all much different as a bench option and he's probably more willing to be on a shuttle bus. Guess we'll see how it shakes out soon enough.


Beat writers said he had multiple offers. I'd presume they were minor league offers like the Mets, but would just take one of those teams to offer him a roster spot at the end of spring.
RE: Shecky  
Shecky : 2/20/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14300590 DanMetroMan said:
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any idea what the plan is with Mauricio/Newton? Both should be starting at SS for their perspective teams.


Purely guesswork at this point. But Mauricio to me would be the priority you build other promotions or position changes around. And I’d assume he starts in kingsport. Guess/opinion, that’s all.
RE: RE: Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 9:30 am : link
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any idea what the plan is with Mauricio/Newton? Both should be starting at SS for their perspective teams.



Purely guesswork at this point. But Mauricio to me would be the priority you build other promotions or position changes around. And I’d assume he starts in kingsport. Guess/opinion, that’s all.


Many people really love Newton so I just hope they don't move him off of SS just to have them play at the same level. Law thinks he's already plus at SS, that's not a player you move. MASSIVE bust potential, I mean he might be looked at as a total non-prospect given his K rate in 12 months but he also could rocket up the Mets rankings.
Newton  
Shecky : 2/20/2019 9:35 am : link
He’s the boom or bust guy you always want the Mets to go after. Personally, I see what’s to love but not my profile I personally like. Best thing that can happen is he stays at SS and gets off to a ridiculous start and could somehow be a trade centerpiece.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 9:39 am : link
mean he signed for 50K so yeah, they should always be looking to sign guys like this. I'm intrigued to see Adrian Hernandez in his stateside debut. They held him in the DSL (somewhat unusual for their top signees), put up decent numbers, smallish but reports are good. Should be interesting but he got 1.5 million and is 5'9. Newton is a 6'4 monster that signed for pennies.
Other IFA  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 9:45 am : link
kids I'm intrigued to see for 2019

Alvarez, Valdez, Marcano. Curious to see Santos as he faces better hitters, Consuegra
RE: Other IFA  
Shecky : 2/20/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14300636 DanMetroMan said:
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kids I'm intrigued to see for 2019

Alvarez, Valdez, Marcano. Curious to see Santos as he faces better hitters, Consuegra


Consuegra Is very very intriguing to me. Long way to go, but toolsy and can put the bat on the ball. Very interested if/how he develops.
RE: RE: Other IFA  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14300664 Shecky said:
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kids I'm intrigued to see for 2019

Alvarez, Valdez, Marcano. Curious to see Santos as he faces better hitters, Consuegra



Consuegra Is very very intriguing to me. Long way to go, but toolsy and can put the bat on the ball. Very interested if/how he develops.


Consuegra has been compared to Lagares by some. Plus athlete a lot of room to grow. Under the radar name to follow: RHP David Marcano. At 16 years old: final 5 starts 23.2 innings 17 hits 12 walks 18 k's 3.49 era, gave him "4th round" money (they haven't spent on P IFA's)
Yeah, heard the Legares comp before  
Shecky : 2/20/2019 10:28 am : link
But I just don’t get it other than SS —>OF.
To me, this is the same as when people compared Gimenez to Tejada when they really didn’t have the same strengths.
last year we saw more than usual breakout seasons on the farm  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 11:01 am : link
Obviously Alonso and Gimenez had strong years that elevated their prospect status, but Vientos/Newton both put themselves on the map into top 100 discussions. McNeil broke out in a massive way. Mauricio took another step forward. Had the strongest draft in a while, although they traded a lot of it this offseason. Hard for me to identify who the real young guys in the system outside of the top 7-8 who could do what Vientos/Newton did last year beyond SWR (Santos? Alvarez?) but hopefully someone emerges.

Where I'm intrigued with the system this year is with the crop of older potential bouncebacks. We all know the story with the TJS pitchers but I see a lot of every day guys coming into this season with zero expectations, who have flashed playable tools but have had injury issues interrupt their development. Several were high-ish 2nd/3rd rd picks like Toffey, Cecchini, Lindsay, even Thompson and the glove first guys like Nido & Guillorme. I wouldn't be shocked to see any of those guys beaten out by veteran minor leaguers/waived like Cecchini was in the next month and never heard from, but I also wouldn't be totally shocked to see something click unexpectedly for 1 of them like it did for Mcneil last year.
2b  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 11:07 am : link
in Syracuse is going to be silly with Cecchini and Dilson Herrera both being 2b only and TJ Rivera mostly a 2b as well. Considering nobody claimed Cecchini I guess they couldn't get anything for him but simply too many bodies in Syracuse.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 11:09 am : link
I'm not calling you out but Mauricio debuted in 2018 so "another" step forward seems tough lol
Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 11:12 am : link
on paper

Alonso (eventually will be up), Dom, Thompson, Davis (could make the big club), Rivera (potentially could make the team but it would be he OR Davis), Cecchini, Dilson Herrera, Guillorme, Hech (he's likely opting out if he doesn't make the team), Alcantara, Espinosa, simply too many bodies.
RE: Syracuse  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14300768 DanMetroMan said:
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on paper

Alonso (eventually will be up), Dom, Thompson, Davis (could make the big club), Rivera (potentially could make the team but it would be he OR Davis), Cecchini, Dilson Herrera, Guillorme, Hech (he's likely opting out if he doesn't make the team), Alcantara, Espinosa, simply too many bodies.


Don't forget Tebow. I'm sure he'll be getting every day ABs.

Syracuse offense at least looks respectable even if a little boring. Our system's IF depth at the high level is actually impressive, especially considering where it was a few years ago.

What's the Syracuse starting pitching look like? I'm thinking awful but is there an interesting guy or two I'm forgetting about? Any high upside bullpen arms that we might look out for in Queens at some point?
Forget my Tebow comment...  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 11:19 am : link
Dan was talking about IF/2B. I should read more before responding.
RE: RE: Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14300784 Metnut said:
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on paper

Alonso (eventually will be up), Dom, Thompson, Davis (could make the big club), Rivera (potentially could make the team but it would be he OR Davis), Cecchini, Dilson Herrera, Guillorme, Hech (he's likely opting out if he doesn't make the team), Alcantara, Espinosa, simply too many bodies.



Don't forget Tebow. I'm sure he'll be getting every day ABs.

Syracuse offense at least looks respectable even if a little boring. Our system's IF depth at the high level is actually impressive, especially considering where it was a few years ago.

What's the Syracuse starting pitching look like? I'm thinking awful but is there an interesting guy or two I'm forgetting about? Any high upside bullpen arms that we might look out for in Queens at some point?


That's only the infield! That's how crowded it is.

Syracuse pitching looks pretty awful in terms of "interesting"

Flexen, Oswalt, Lockett, lee, Gagnon is the projected rotation.

Bullpen "upside" you'd be looking at Hanhold or Ryder Ryan I guess. The AAA team may win games but prospecty it's not.
Maybe McNeil should keep practicing at 2B for now  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 12:37 pm : link
Lowrie has knee soreness and is going for an MRI. Mets seems to think its relatively minor and aren't too worried.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14300763 DanMetroMan said:
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I'm not calling you out but Mauricio debuted in 2018 so "another" step forward seems tough lol


I meant in terms of how he was perceived - beyond the high SB$ there was positive discussion around him from wherever he was playing/training (dominican?) prior to last season and he was already inside the top 10 on most of the team lists. Moreso than Alvarez pre-debut right now by comparison (at least that I've seen).
RE: Maybe McNeil should keep practicing at 2B for now  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14300945 Metnut said:
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Lowrie has knee soreness and is going for an MRI. Mets seems to think its relatively minor and aren't too worried.


so it begins.
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DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14300949 Eric on Li said:
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I'm not calling you out but Mauricio debuted in 2018 so "another" step forward seems tough lol



I meant in terms of how he was perceived - beyond the high SB$ there was positive discussion around him from wherever he was playing/training (dominican?) prior to last season and he was already inside the top 10 on most of the team lists. Moreso than Alvarez pre-debut right now by comparison (at least that I've seen).


That's what I'm saying. He skipped the DSL. He never had a single pro AB before the 2018 season. He was a huge bonus kid. His buzz was 100% pre-signing/bonus. There was nothing else to judge. He came stateside, Hernandez was left in the DSL. We had Mauricio #13 coming into the 2018 season over at NYFS. Sickels had him #16, I don't subscribe to BP but they had him outside their top 10. Alvarez was have ranked #13 for 2019, Mauricio #3
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 12:53 pm : link
mean he had a solid debut and the buzz is good but the numbers weren't anything special. A step forward would be a solid statistical season in 2019. .713 OPS with 3 homers, 6 steals, 16 errors in 53 games is "fine" for his age but he wasn't outstanding like say Wander Franco (also 17) who looks like he could be the next phenom.
RE: Syracuse  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14300768 DanMetroMan said:
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on paper

Alonso (eventually will be up), Dom, Thompson, Davis (could make the big club), Rivera (potentially could make the team but it would be he OR Davis), Cecchini, Dilson Herrera, Guillorme, Hech (he's likely opting out if he doesn't make the team), Alcantara, Espinosa, simply too many bodies.


Yeah no idea how the PT shakes out but good to see some competition I guess.

Got to think Alonso/Dom are 1B/DH (intl league has DH right?). Maybe they let Dom play LF until Alonso comes up. Davis I think makes the big club. If not he takes 1 of the positions from whichever of the other 2 did.

At 3B I think it's Thompson vs. Rivera though I could also see Rivera just playing a utility role all over the place. I could see Davis playing here occasionally too, but since it's more likely he plays OF/1B with the big club I'd guess that's where he gets time initially.

At 2B I think it's Cecchini vs. Dilson. At SS I think it's Guillorme vs. Espinosa vs. Alcantara, who could also move around like Rivera since he has seemingly played everywhere the past few years.
IL  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 12:58 pm : link
has a DH only during NL vs. NL games.
Mickey  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 12:59 pm : link
says Dom will play exclusively 1b this spring so it looks like they may have pulled the plug on Dom in the OF.
RE: RE: RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14300974 DanMetroMan said:
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That's what I'm saying. He skipped the DSL. He never had a single pro AB before the 2018 season. He was a huge bonus kid. His buzz was 100% pre-signing/bonus. There was nothing else to judge. He came stateside, Hernandez was left in the DSL. We had Mauricio #13 coming into the 2018 season over at NYFS. Sickels had him #16, I don't subscribe to BP but they had him outside their top 10. Alvarez was have ranked #13 for 2019, Mauricio #3


Law + pipeline both had him in the top 10 and I recall more positive comments about him than I've seen of Alvarez (nothing beyond his scouting reports from when he signed). But I could literally just be recalling Shecky talking him up whereas I've just not heard much about Alvarez since those initial reports.
RE: Mickey  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14300988 DanMetroMan said:
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says Dom will play exclusively 1b this spring so it looks like they may have pulled the plug on Dom in the OF.


The only thing I don't like about that is if he and Alonso both end up in Cuse, we obviously want Alonso getting as many reps defensively as possible at 1b. But I guess that could be a very short term problem.
Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 1:06 pm : link
being a catcher already puts his bust rate at peak levels. Despite his bonus his physical tools are not great and he's already listed at 220 pounds. Both he and Valdez received big bonuses and are interesting but both have red flags.

Here is AA on Alvarez

"Considered one of the top international rookies in the 2018-2019 class, the Mets pounced on Venezuelan catcher Francisco Alvarez, immediately signing him for a club-high $2.7 million, breaking Ronny Mauricio’s then-record $2.1 million signing bonus.

Alvarez currently has a power-over-hit profile, as the current timing and rhythm of his swing limits his ability to hit for contact. He stands tall at the plate, with a wide base. He lunges towards the ball, getting the force of his body into his swing, generating power but making his susceptible to swinging-and-missing.

Behind the plate, stocky 5’11””, 220-pound catcher’s defense lags behind his offense, but he has a solid foundation to work with. He possesses a strong arm and generally shows solid defensive instincts behind the plate, moving surprisingly well for someone his size. Some scouts and evaluators are worried that his already stocky body will grow too big and unathletic to stick behind the dish, forcing him to change positions and lose a great deal of his value. If so, he will likely be limited to just first base, as he lacks speed and quick twitch explosiveness."
Is it possible  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2019 1:13 pm : link
you can be so unathletic you have to move off catcher?

I don't think catchers can be icebergs, but generally they seem like some of the least athletic players on the team, definitely at least the veterans usually do - even if they don't start out that way.
RE: Is it possible  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 1:24 pm : link
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you can be so unathletic you have to move off catcher?

I don't think catchers can be icebergs, but generally they seem like some of the least athletic players on the team, definitely at least the veterans usually do - even if they don't start out that way.


(speaking hypothetically and not about the player being discussed because I've never even see him play) but 5'11 220 at 16 is a bit of a concern in terms of blocking balls and moving in general)


BA also makes note of this

"Alvarez displayed a strong arm in the pre-game workout on his throws to second base, with pop times from 1.83-1.90 seconds. He will have to improve his receiving, which he had trouble with in games, and he will have to stay on top of his conditioning to remain a catcher.
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Ugh  
DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 2:39 pm : link
Matt Ehalt
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Lowrie on how concerned he is: “That’s a good question. We need to figure out what’s going on first before we start worrying about how concerning.”
RE: Ugh  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14301176 DanMetroMan said:
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Matt Ehalt
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Lowrie on how concerned he is: “That’s a good question. We need to figure out what’s going on first before we start worrying about how concerning.”


That sounds ominous. Hopefully we get good news tomorrow.
Metnut  
Shecky : 2/20/2019 3:05 pm : link
You new to being a Mets fan, or always optomistic ;)
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DanMetroMan : 2/20/2019 4:45 pm : link

Separately, outfielder Brandon Nimmo is experiencing discomfort in his right shoulder and refrained from throwing during defensive drills Wednesday, instead underhanding the ball back to the coaches. He called it “just some early-season soreness.”

The Mets aren’t sure how serious Lowrie’s issue is, but manager Mickey Callaway said they will be cautious, with the goal of getting him ready for Opening Day. Lowrie said the issue popped up over the weekend while he was running.

“The first time I felt it, there was a fair bit of pain, and then it’s kind of remained the same,” Lowrie said. “It’s just one of those things you got to get checked out.

“We need to figure out what’s going on first before we start worrying about how concerned , , , It started when I really started ramping up, getting into top-end speed stuff and batting practice. I felt it on the back side of me knee.”


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Dude signed a month ago  
bhill410 : 2/20/2019 4:59 pm : link
How did none of this show up
I'm not sure how these guys  
Metnut : 2/20/2019 5:10 pm : link
are unable to do basic baseball activities a couple days into camp. Still 5 weeks until the season, but cmon guys!
So Lowrie  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2019 5:53 pm : link
and Nimmo out for the season, hope those are the only lumps the Mets take.
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