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NFT: Mets-DeGrom. Mike was hammering him pretty good

Bubba : 2/15/2019 10:21 am
on WFAN yesterday for hinting he may "shut it down" if a new deal is not worked out. He is getting $17mil this season.

Your thoughts.
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Degrom  
TyreeHelmet : 2/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
I don't understand the backlash to Degrom. The man deserves to get paid and is being betrayed by his former agent and by the entire Mets organization.

As for the innings limit, what happens when he snaps his elbow this season or next? Will the Wilpons cover the loss income on his next deal? No chance.

The guy's career earnings are 13 million. After taxes/ fees, that isn't life changing money for what hes accomplished for the Mets.

The Mets could do right for a great player and great guy they have. Instead they are being cheap. Pathetic ownership that shouldn't own a team.
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Shecky : 2/15/2019 6:06 pm : link
Jd davis. Wow
Alonso, looks like in goodhape, but itlicked why everyone bashes his d. He reminds me of the awkward white guy in the basketball court who makes just enough plays. Looks awkward, doesnt belong, but gets the job done. Especially when watching the Mi, what a difference in athleticism lol. He looks like an offensive lineman.
Doesnt help that Dom looked nice and smooth next to him.
LOVE Diazs glove. Hes already a Met bleeding blue
Did I mention Davis?
Speaking of D. McNeilreally sunrises me in the OF. For a defensively challenged player, he just might be able to play out there. Big difference come game time though. it better than I expected.
The pitching, oh man, THE PITCHING
Frazier looks like a 3b version of Alonso...
I have to mention Dav... Ill stop
A lot of optimism. Relishing the underdog from top to bottom.
For a team smushed together in a couple of months, something is very different, and in a good way. Lot of comradery. Like they seem to be enjoying meeting each other or something. Gives the vibe of first week in the dorms in college.
I think theyll be a very positive buzz from SWR this spring, if the writers make it to the back fields when everyone gets here.
I have to admit, in just Ts, theres a lot of faces who I have no clue who they are lol.
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!
INDUCT JD
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 2/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14297814 Shecky said:
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Jd davis. Wow
Alonso, looks like in goodhape, but itlicked why everyone bashes his d. He reminds me of the awkward white guy in the basketball court who makes just enough plays. Looks awkward, doesnt belong, but gets the job done. Especially when watching the Mi, what a difference in athleticism lol. He looks like an offensive lineman.
Doesnt help that Dom looked nice and smooth next to him.
LOVE Diazs glove. Hes already a Met bleeding blue
Did I mention Davis?
Speaking of D. McNeilreally sunrises me in the OF. For a defensively challenged player, he just might be able to play out there. Big difference come game time though. it better than I expected.
The pitching, oh man, THE PITCHING
Frazier looks like a 3b version of Alonso...
I have to mention Dav... Ill stop
A lot of optimism. Relishing the underdog from top to bottom.
For a team smushed together in a couple of months, something is very different, and in a good way. Lot of comradery. Like they seem to be enjoying meeting each other or something. Gives the vibe of first week in the dorms in college.
I think theyll be a very positive buzz from SWR this spring, if the writers make it to the back fields when everyone gets here.
I have to admit, in just Ts, theres a lot of faces who I have no clue who they are lol.
SIGN THOR!!!!!!!
INDUCT JD


I'm very intrigued by Davis and love taking a chance on a guy like him. I liked the guys they gave up but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think he's got even up odds at being a similar bat to Alonso, and some areas where he's even more interesting (positional versatility especially). The competition between him, Dom, and Alonso is probably going to be the most interesting thing to follow in ST.
Just keep in mind my track record  
Shecky : 2/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
Of guys I annoy you with...
players need to get paid  
RasputinPrime : 2/15/2019 6:51 pm : link
period. I look at the average salaries in the NBA and I can't believe how underpaid MLB players are. DeGrom could go down as the best Mets pitcher of all time and he deserves to be paid like it while he is in the prime of his career.
RE: players need to get paid  
JayBinQueens : 2/15/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14297844 RasputinPrime said:
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period. I look at the average salaries in the NBA and I can't believe how underpaid MLB players are. DeGrom could go down as the best Mets pitcher of all time and he deserves to be paid like it while he is in the prime of his career.

If you think baseball players are underpaid dont look at NHL salaries
RE: players need to get paid  
Rob in Rockaway : 2/15/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14297844 RasputinPrime said:
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period. I look at the average salaries in the NBA and I can't believe how underpaid MLB players are. DeGrom could go down as the best Mets pitcher of all time and he deserves to be paid like it while he is in the prime of his career.


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Post got a good pic of Diaz glove  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 7:10 am : link
Try again  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 7:11 am : link
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Diaz - ( New Window )
still doesn't work  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 7:23 am : link
shek
RE: still doesn't work  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 7:58 am : link
In comment 14298007 CMicks3110 said:
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shek


Lol, bad omen then
Also  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 8:03 am : link
what did you see fom JD Davis, more specifics, you seemed very high on him
RE: Also  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14298022 CMicks3110 said:
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what did you see fom JD Davis, more specifics, you seemed very high on him

Stood out since last spring. Hes just the kind of player that grows on me. Cares, works hard, grinder. Dont know if he will ever make it or not, but ball really jumps off his bat like few else in the org.
I assume onceone writer gets a hold of someone else excited about him, he will get a lot of early buzz. Again, dont now if he will make it or not, but a guy I like and rooting for.
Diaz  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 8:59 am : link
Extremely impressive as well. I cou,d see him quickly being the leader of the pen, personality wise. And I think Familia would be more than happy with that.
RE: players need to get paid  
Eman11 : 2/16/2019 9:06 am : link
In comment 14297844 RasputinPrime said:
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period. I look at the average salaries in the NBA and I can't believe how underpaid MLB players are. DeGrom could go down as the best Mets pitcher of all time and he deserves to be paid like it while he is in the prime of his career.


He is getting paid. To the tune of 17 million dollars this year. If he's got a problem with that he needs to take it up with his union. You know, the one who signed the current CBA all the players and owners are operating under.

It's not the Mets fault he hit his prime at the age he is and not two years sooner.

It's a tough break no doubt the way it's worked out for him age wise but if he decides to limiting innings that's a huge mistake IMO. That won't go over well with most fans and it definitely won't be a good look for him when he hits FA in two years IMO.
No offense  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 9:12 am : link
But fuck the fans.
It wont go over with his brothers in the locker room, especially if theyre in a pennant race.
Good luck getting paid after a stunt like that, its not how it works...
RE: No offense  
Eman11 : 2/16/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14298053 Shecky said:
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But fuck the fans.
It wont go over with his brothers in the locker room, especially if theyre in a pennant race.
Good luck getting paid after a stunt like that, its not how it works...


Totally agree about how it would go over in the locker room.

My point on the fans is they turned up at the ballpark in bigger numbers last year when he pitched and if he's limiting his innings I'm sure that'll piss people off. Enough to make some of those decide not to go just because he's pitching that night.

The trickle down effect will be felt by everyone and if it hits the owners in their wallet, it could very well backfire on him. I'm not sure how asking for and expecting more money while potentially hurting the team's bottom line is a smart way to go.
TEBOWWWW  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 9:34 am : link
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Tim Tebow has arrived in camp.
did Alonso lose 12 or 20 pounds?  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 9:36 am : link
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Alonso said he dropped 20 pounds this offseason and has elevated his game at first base.

Also has matured as a hitter and become more efficient, in his words. #mets

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Peter Alonso says he shed 12 pounds this winter in an attempt to impress the Mets. "I wanted to show up looking good" Alonso said, "looking like I was ready to go."

He added: "I want to force someone's hand. I want to come in here and be the best option."

If the Wilponzis allow it to that point they have nobody to blame but  
Eric on Li : 2/16/2019 9:45 am : link
themselves. Look around baseball - despite the drag on top position FA, what are other competitive teams doing to lock down cy young caliber pitchers? The teams that don't have them are paying huge FA freight (Corbin, Darvish, Greinke, Price, Lester) or making massive trades (Sale, Cole, Verlander). The teams that have Kershaw, Carrasco, Sevirino, Nola, Kluber, etc. are jumping at the chance to buy years of control at a reasonable price.

Except TB. And if it gets to that point, the Mets.

They have already strung along (lied to) their self professed "face of the franchise" who they "want to have here for a long time" by not making an offer when they said they would. Either they fix it and get him signed over the next few weeks or they continue to gain ground on Miami as the worst run, most disingenuous ownership group in the sport.
I'm tired  
pjcas18 : 2/16/2019 10:02 am : link
of hearing this "deserve" shit with athletes.

Nothing is deserved. MLB salaries are 100% guaranteed. If deGrom signs a big deal and shits the bed, do the Mets deserve money back?

This is the way the system works. deGrom is cost controlld by the Mets for 2 more seasons and for the benefit of shrewd drafting and quality player development why don't the Mets deserve some cheap, cost controlled years of a Cy Young caliber pitching?

I would try and negotiate an extension with deGrom, but IMO if the Mets do it, then it has to be at least somewhat team friendly for guaranteeing future performance and ensuring deGrom's financial security the rest of his life.

but deserve has nothing to do with it. Not even a little.

Agreed  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2019 10:17 am : link
and Francescas points are completely valid, especially pointing out the other top pitchers and what they got during their arbitration years. DeGrom peaked late, not the Mets problem. Hes making the most money ever during arbitration, hes doing just fine.
RE: I'm tired  
Jay on the Island : 2/16/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14298098 pjcas18 said:
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of hearing this "deserve" shit with athletes.

Nothing is deserved. MLB salaries are 100% guaranteed. If deGrom signs a big deal and shits the bed, do the Mets deserve money back?

This is the way the system works. deGrom is cost controlld by the Mets for 2 more seasons and for the benefit of shrewd drafting and quality player development why don't the Mets deserve some cheap, cost controlled years of a Cy Young caliber pitching?

I would try and negotiate an extension with deGrom, but IMO if the Mets do it, then it has to be at least somewhat team friendly for guaranteeing future performance and ensuring deGrom's financial security the rest of his life.

but deserve has nothing to do with it. Not even a little.


That makes total sense, this is how contracts work. Teams get 6 cheap years of control where a player will often play well above their pay grade. They then sign a big extension where there are multiple years where they play well below their pay grade. They want a huge extension to protect themselves in the event of an injury because if they suffer a major career altering they want to get paid 10's of millions of dollar for essentially nothing. How is that fair to the team? Is it fair that the Rangers are paying Prince Fielder all that money for nothing?

Now of course if I was in his shoes I would want the same thing lol
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DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 10:43 am : link
Just as a fan, I'm excited to see some real thump in the Mets lineup when Alonso is miraculously improved defensively sometime after game 12

- Was told Frazier looks "fat, no other way to put it". Kind of disappointing for such a good dude
RE: I'm tired  
Eric on Li : 2/16/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14298098 pjcas18 said:
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of hearing this "deserve" shit with athletes.

Nothing is deserved. MLB salaries are 100% guaranteed. If deGrom signs a big deal and shits the bed, do the Mets deserve money back?

This is the way the system works. deGrom is cost controlld by the Mets for 2 more seasons and for the benefit of shrewd drafting and quality player development why don't the Mets deserve some cheap, cost controlled years of a Cy Young caliber pitching?

I would try and negotiate an extension with deGrom, but IMO if the Mets do it, then it has to be at least somewhat team friendly for guaranteeing future performance and ensuring deGrom's financial security the rest of his life.

but deserve has nothing to do with it. Not even a little.



100% agree on it needing to be team friendly - but the "deserve" argument is a red herring right now. What prompted this entire sideshow has nothing to do with what he deserves or doesn't deserve, it's prompted by the Wilpons not doing what they said they would for the umptieth time (aka lie).

If you are the Mets and you want to compete for championships, you offer him a sensible contract to try to do that with him in the next several years or you maximize his trade value to build a championship roster in the future. Case closed. BVW's statement last year was 100% on the money in that regard because there's just as much risk for the Mets letting him play out these 2 years and leaving for nothing (or seeing his price tag increase further) as there is for JDG. This is the time to make a good business decision, while they have leverage with all good options on the table, not risking it later.

If and when the Mets eventually offer him a contract and they can't come to terms bc JDG feels he "deserves" more, the narrative shifts. But right now it's "same old wilpons, same old mets" making promises they don't keep and half-assing what should be a simple process since the player has been very open about willingness. This isn't a Harvey/Boras situation.

(I say all that without having listened to Francesa's comments)
RE: .  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14298116 DanMetroMan said:
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Just as a fan, I'm excited to see some real thump in the Mets lineup when Alonso is miraculously improved defensively sometime after game 12

- Was told Frazier looks "fat, no other way to put it". Kind of disappointing for such a good dude


HAAAAAAAAAAAA
Strangely enough, BVW either talks a big game or is actually open to bringing him up north to start the season. I dont agree with it, I find it odd though.

Yeah, I mentioned last night, Frazier looks like a 3b version of Alonso now... its been a long offseason.
All these other deals  
UConn4523 : 2/16/2019 11:06 am : link
being signed (and how cheap they are) along with still no signing of Harper/Machado is worst case scenario for DeGrom has well. Cant blame him for being pissed but the Mets are 100% doing the right thing. Timing is everything and his age plus this new trend to be more careful with long term deals are both hitting at the same time.
Has Frazier really put on that much weight?  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 11:23 am : link
I saw some videos of him from the last 2 weeks and he looked virtually the same.
RE: Has Frazier really put on that much weight?  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14298146 CMicks3110 said:
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I saw some videos of him from the last 2 weeks and he looked virtually the same.


Estimated 15 pounds from someone down there.
video of him from 6 days  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 11:26 am : link
ago. Looks the same.
https://www.mlb.com/mets/video/frazier-excited-for-mets-in-19/c-2522532783 - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:27 am : link
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Todd Frazier = Fat
Peter Alonso = Mass

I mean admittedly I don't follow Frazier's routine, I don't care about him but it was noted by many he looks doughy. He may well lose it easily. I have no clue
Best  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:30 am : link
minor league hitter I've ever seen

What does Peter Alonso think of Vlad Jr. almost definitely starting the year in the minors?

He deserves to be (in the majors). The kid is a phenom. Thats all Ive got to say about that.
dan  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 11:32 am : link
honestly, from that video, does the guy look fat? pudgy? if you had not been told that he looked heavy, is that what you would have taken away?
RE: dan  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14298156 CMicks3110 said:
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honestly, from that video, does the guy look fat? pudgy? if you had not been told that he looked heavy, is that what you would have taken away?


Shecky is down there every year and sees these guys every year. Do you think Shecky generally makes negative comments that are inaccurate? Person who mentioned it to me went through anlist of who looked good who didn't and he said Cespedes looked huge and Frazier put on bad weight. I remember these same kinds of discussions regarding Dom every year "he doesn't look fat!"
RE: I'm tired  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14298098 pjcas18 said:
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of hearing this "deserve" shit with athletes.

Nothing is deserved. MLB salaries are 100% guaranteed. If deGrom signs a big deal and shits the bed, do the Mets deserve money back?

This is the way the system works. deGrom is cost controlld by the Mets for 2 more seasons and for the benefit of shrewd drafting and quality player development why don't the Mets deserve some cheap, cost controlled years of a Cy Young caliber pitching?

I would try and negotiate an extension with deGrom, but IMO if the Mets do it, then it has to be at least somewhat team friendly for guaranteeing future performance and ensuring deGrom's financial security the rest of his life.

but deserve has nothing to do with it. Not even a little.



Awesome post. Agree 100%. Im sick of hearing about it honestly.
Guys  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 11:51 am : link
I wouldnt worry about Frazier. Least of the teams worries
Speaking of Dom, happy to see he is into it. Was very worried about him last year, more mental than physical. And with everyone being handed 1b from Alonso, to Bruce, to Cano, to Frazier, to McNeil and even Davis. Well, I didnt expect him to take that too well, but the comp has lifted him it seems rather than buried him.
alright  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 11:52 am : link
not gonna debate you. But you often take 2nd hand accounts as gospel, which is fine, just not how i roll.

But if you said your friend took notes of who looks good/not physically. Was there any other comments on other players?
Ill be very pleased when Frazier is likely dumped mid season  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 11:54 am : link
because theres no longer a spot for him, even on the bench. Rooting for Dom, although I dont see a path for him any longer. Hopefully, he rakes in Syracuse all year and is ready if a few injuries hit.
Speaking  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:55 am : link
of Dom and in reference to Nick Martini who I suggested as a trade target... The Mets are unbelievably lop sided toward RH hitters on the 40 man. The only LH hitters on the 40 man are Nimmo, Conforto, Cano, McNeil + Lowrie and Dom. They really would be smart to look to add some LH depth. Davis, Rivera, Cecchini, Alonso, are all RH and I'm not sure Guillorme would even be considered a hitter at all.
RE: alright  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14298174 CMicks3110 said:
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not gonna debate you. But you often take 2nd hand accounts as gospel, which is fine, just not how i roll.

But if you said your friend took notes of who looks good/not physically. Was there any other comments on other players?


Again.. if Shecky saying it isn't enough for you then I can't even debate you. I'm not there. I trust Shecky 100%. I don't always agree with his opinions but I trust what his eyes say.
He  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:58 am : link
said Dom looked great (but noted he's come to camp looking good before), Rosario put on some muscle, Thor looks lean, JD Davis is a huge man and laughed at the notes that say TDA is 6'2
Shecky can you shed some light on Mes/TDA  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 11:58 am : link
Mesaraco/Mickey all but assuring us Mes is deGroms personal catcher. Is TDA still expected to start season on DL?
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 11:59 am : link
and that Tebow throws a baseball as if he's throwing with the wrong hand lol
TDA  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 12:00 pm : link
should be released. Brodie said he is catcher only despite the buzz he might see other positions. Release TDA and put that 1.5 million or so in savings towards Buchholz or Santana.
I dont think that money allows them to go after those  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 12:03 pm : link
players. If they want them, they can go after them regardless. TDAs money isnt holding that up IMO.
good to hear about Rosario  
CMicks3110 : 2/16/2019 12:04 pm : link
if he can up his game. That could be a huge bonus to our lineup.
To be hinest  
Shecky : 2/16/2019 12:06 pm : link
I dont have a clue whats going on with TdA. I hear one thing, see another, and opinion is different than the above anyway. Low risk, some upside. Money isnt a real issue. Who knows what the real plan is...
RE: To be hinest  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14298190 Shecky said:
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I dont have a clue whats going on with TdA. I hear one thing, see another, and opinion is different than the above anyway. Low risk, some upside. Money isnt a real issue. Who knows what the real plan is...


Kind of what I thought. Thanks!
RE: I dont think that money allows them to go after those  
DanMetroMan : 2/16/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14298188 ZGiants98 said:
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players. If they want them, they can go after them regardless. TDAs money isnt holding that up IMO.


No but spending 14 million on 3 catchers doesn't make a ton of sense, especially 3.25 on your third catcher. When is he playing if DM is DeGrom's personal catcher? They have Nido and added a few garbage C depth guys at AAA. Brett Anderson got 1.5 million guaranteed so they money very well could land you or get you close to a Buccholz
Yeah... I dont think 3 catchers work  
ZGiants98 : 2/16/2019 12:25 pm : link
Im thinking they see some upside with TDA still if he can stay healthy and would prefer that but covered their bases by signing DM because TDA is such a wild card.

Maybe they start TDA on the DL and make him earn the backup position back from DM, or maybe he shows enough in the spring that they send DM to the minors right away but I dont see any way all three catchers make the roster. Somebody will be the odd man out eventually but I do like having the depth for now.
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